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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 7:05:14 PM

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The part that I do not understand is how is he selling his scrap without a valid picture ID? Everywhere I have been requires one. (Destroying medical imaging equipment produces a LOT of scrap metals.)

How did he even get a business license without Id?

I never needed a business license. You just put it as profit under "self-employed" on the tax form and tell where you sold your scrap and the totals.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 7:09:12 PM

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and I have run into this kinda bs crap before cuz the library here wont give me a library card cuz I dont have the right ID to get one...

You need an ID to get a library card but you shouldn't need one to vote?
Don't you drive?

This seems strange. We did a three-month "Grand Adventure" this spring/summer and I was able to get more than one temporary library card with no permanent residence.

Point being, there are work arounds and you can still use libraries.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 7:15:42 PM

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The part that I do not understand is how is he selling his scrap without a valid picture ID? Everywhere I have been requires one. (Destroying medical imaging equipment produces a LOT of scrap metals.)

How did he even get a business license without Id?

I never needed a business license. You just put it as profit under "self-employed" on the tax form and tell where you sold your scrap and the totals.

Ok, don't think that is universal, but I will take your word for it.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 8:03:45 PM

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If you actually believe that our government is actively enslaving and murdering blacks, and that we are practicing slavery agaist blacks and the poor you are out of touch.

Always a possibility. I'd argue the prison statistics and the for profit prison system support my claims. You can use whatever names you want but depriving people of their freedom for profit...well...

Do you really think that there should be a party who's primary goal is to promote blacks?
Nope, did I say anything of the sort? I personally think a party promoting the citizens would be a neat thing. The blacks are more than welcome if they wish.

You don't think that they have an interest in the welfare of the nation?
That's debatable... it sort of depends on how much they share in the fortune of our nation wouldn't you say? The story of Obama's presidency should inform you of this. Our entire "recovery" has clearly demonstrated that the "welfare of the nation" can come benefit a tiny segment of the population and harm the rest. If 90% of the entire population can suffer for "the welfare of the nation" then surely the blacks can.

Wouldn't policies that are good for the nation be good for them?
See above. Today's newspaper tells you that is wrong.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 8:22:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

and I have run into this kinda bs crap before cuz the library here wont give me a library card cuz I dont have the right ID to get one...

You need an ID to get a library card but you shouldn't need one to vote?
Don't you drive?

This seems strange. We did a three-month "Grand Adventure" this spring/summer and I was able to get more than one temporary library card with no permanent residence.

Point being, there are work arounds and you can still use libraries.

sure, anyone can use the library, but without a library card I cant take out books, which would be the reason to have a library card...

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 8:34:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The part that I do not understand is how is he selling his scrap without a valid picture ID? Everywhere I have been requires one. (Destroying medical imaging equipment produces a LOT of scrap metals.)

How did he even get a business license without Id?

maybe he has a company and its incorporation documents.. don't you know that corporations are people too???

does he drive?
This whole story sound fishy.

dude,.. not everyone drives.. I saw one guy on a bus with a bunch of wire and metal scraps he was taking to a scrap dealer.. so owning a vehicle isn't mandatory for doing that.. vehicles are expensive and imo not worth having.. there are alternatives like ridesharing, relay rides, uber, zipcars, getting a neighbor, friend or family to drive you.. or getting a bike..

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/9/2014 10:56:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

The part that I do not understand is how is he selling his scrap without a valid picture ID? Everywhere I have been requires one. (Destroying medical imaging equipment produces a LOT of scrap metals.)

How did he even get a business license without Id?

I never needed a business license. You just put it as profit under "self-employed" on the tax form and tell where you sold your scrap and the totals.

Ok, don't think that is universal, but I will take your word for it.

Thinking about it some more, I think that it was not "self-employed" (even thought I was, hence my confusion) but instead, "additional income" on fed. tax forms.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 4:58:08 AM

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dude,.. not everyone drives.. I saw one guy on a bus with a bunch of wire and metal scraps he was taking to a scrap dealer.. so owning a vehicle isn't mandatory for doing that.. vehicles are expensive and imo not worth having.. there are alternatives like ridesharing, relay rides, uber, zipcars, getting a neighbor, friend or family to drive you.. or getting a bike..

Anyone who uses a bus to take scrap metal to a dealer, probably drinks.

And you can't do that, without an ID.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 8:13:17 AM

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Bullshit. You can do that here anytime you want. You dont need an ID. But we don't have busses.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 8:33:54 AM

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musta been one of them indigent blokes stealing his healthcare

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 8:48:51 AM

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musta been one of them indigent blokes stealing his healthcare

An indigent drunk... as clearly indicated by his usage of public transportation. That probably makes the guy a pinko-commie too. Real Amerikuhns drive Cadillacs.

Man, as an independent I don't find Sanity as ridiculous as some of you but sheez, that was sort of jumping the shark in a big way.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 8:51:09 AM

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it is nice to have you back mr Jeff:)

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 9:04:14 AM

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Thanks Lucy:

I like the P&R board here. It gives me a handy sampling of what "regular" voters think about things from both sides of the aisle. It also gives me a sampling of what they know.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 1:28:24 PM

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I'm not misquoting you. You seem to not understand fairly simple mathematics but there is no misquoting. Your words are there for everyone to see. That is why I asked you to quote the passage you thought started this.

You don't grasp the most basic logic. It is a fact that if a black candidate runs against a white candidate the black candidate will get a much larger % of the black vote than the white candidate will get of the white vote. If race is a factor it plays better in the black community than the white. In fact many white voters will vote for a black candidate for fear of being considered as racist.
As far as your absurd claim about the % of women supporting Dems
22% is less than 36% period. It doesn't matter what the gross numbers are it is still a lower %.

Your grasp of basic logic is pathetic.
If you meant in head to head races you should have specified that. Until you did that wasn't the subject under discussion. Even then there are many cases, where black Republicans run against white Democrats, where the black candidate gets a much lower percentage of the black vote than the white candidate.

As to your ridiculous slur about the women's vote you best go back and check, I never discussed gross numbers and if you examine Sanity's right wing source you will find that they are in the wrong.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 1:32:43 PM

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As a privileged white guy who really has not and can not walk a mile in the other guy's shoes

Privileged my ass... this walk in another's shoes is the biggest cop out used...I worked hard for everything I have and my friends, some black did the same. Blacks today have the same support... opportunities...and employment potential as whites. I know too many successful minorities of all colors to give credence to dumb ass clichés. Some blacks seem to think no one else has faced challenges in their lives.

I should say of course I am not generalizing when it comes to African Americans... I am specifically talking of those that think white people owe them something and they should live under different rules because of their traditions. They always demand respect yet do not give any. They complain about stricter punishment for crimes... yet commit more than any other group of people. They complain about poor schools yet refuse to support them. They complain about crime in their neighborhoods yet refuse to cooperate with police to solve them. They complain about employment opportunities in their cities yet ignore crime that drives business away. They complain about police harassment yet allow their children to roam the streets all hours of the night. The only people that can change their situation in life are themselves.

Butch

Nonsense. Did you go to a school system like the one kids in Ferguson go to?
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119169/ferguson-missouri-schools-are-just-troubling-its-police-force

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 1:35:50 PM

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Its also made harder for them to vote if they live in states that require certain ID that some of them don't have & have trouble & cost getting

I guess you are right...white people are sooooo much smarter than those dummy blacks too stupid to get ID's when white people have no problem. I mean damn getting ID's are far beyond the capabilities of African Americans everyone knows that!!!

Butch

Let's see what the most respected conservative jurist in the country thinks of voter ID laws:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1312285/posner.pdf

If that doesn't change your mind then you aren't thinking.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 1:43:18 PM

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He loves government regulation and likes turning voters away at the polls for bogus reasons. It's a win-win proposition.

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 1:54:01 PM

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and I have run into this kinda bs crap before cuz the library here wont give me a library card cuz I dont have the right ID to get one...

I.e. leaching off of someone who does own a car

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 2:38:34 PM

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and I have run into this kinda bs crap before cuz the library here wont give me a library card cuz I dont have the right ID to get one...

I.e. leaching off of someone who does own a car

I have a drivers license (I never said I didn't have one, but the library wont accept it without secondary ID) and fyi I don't "leach off" anyone that owns a car.. I either take the bus or (since I don't know many people here) or I pay someone from CL rideshare ads to take me where I want to go or I can just rent a car from people on relay rides (which are people who rent out their cars when they don't use them to subsidize their ownership costs)..

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RE: Voter Demographics - 11/10/2014 2:47:37 PM

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and I have run into this kinda bs crap before cuz the library here wont give me a library card cuz I dont have the right ID to get one...

I.e. leaching off of someone who does own a car

I have a drivers license (I never said I didn't have one, but the library wont accept it without secondary ID) and fyi I don't "leach off" anyone that owns a car.. I either take the bus or (since I don't know many people here) or I pay someone from CL rideshare ads to take me where I want to go or I can just rent a car from people on relay rides (which are people who rent out their cars when they don't use them to subsidize their ownership costs)..

Seems that I copied the wrong part of your post

this is what I was responding to.

getting a neighbor, friend or family to drive you..

And even if you don't do it you were advocating leaching off of people who own cars.

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