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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
...It is a terrible tragedy that should not happen again... <snip>

How many times have we all heard this over the last few years; yet it keeps happening all over the US with regular monotony???

I don't care of Bama keeps trotting out the same old lame excuse that gun crime is coming down.
It is still happening at a sickening rate compared to other OECD countries.
It is an utter disgrace for a first-world nation.

There needs to be a fundamental change in the US attitude towards guns and their use/ownership.

And I'll ask the same age-old question: how many more does it take before change happens??

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

It does keep happening and the vast majority are justified killings. That does not make the police wrong at least in all but a few instances... how about the criminals that they are pursuing or are attacking them. The problem is NOT with the police.

That said... I think the training that police officers that often mandates shooting for center body mass is wrong. I also think the rules of engagement are too vague when it comes to deadly force.

Take this instance... if he felt he needed to shoot in self defense than a leg shot would have worked just as well... he was unarmed and the cop knew it. The mentally ill man that came at two officers with a knife could have been subdued with shots to the legs... The boy that shot a a pursuing police officer was hit and on the ground when the officer continued to shoot. All these instances were wrong and could have been done differently without loss of life. I am all for change here.

But the reasons these police officers were put in the situations where they had to apply deadly force were not their fault...and they should not be blamed.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Ladytisha

How could you know that an officer isn't just looking to kill someone? You stated that vast majority of shooting are justified, How can you know this?

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
...It is a terrible tragedy that should not happen again... <snip>

How many times have we all heard this over the last few years; yet it keeps happening all over the US with regular monotony???

I don't care of Bama keeps trotting out the same old lame excuse that gun crime is coming down.
It is still happening at a sickening rate compared to other OECD countries.
It is an utter disgrace for a first-world nation.

There needs to be a fundamental change in the US attitude towards guns and their use/ownership.

And I'll ask the same age-old question: how many more does it take before change happens??

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ORIGINAL: Ladytisha

How could you know that an officer isn't just looking to kill someone? You stated that vast majority of shooting are justified, How can you know this?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
...It is a terrible tragedy that should not happen again... <snip>

How many times have we all heard this over the last few years; yet it keeps happening all over the US with regular monotony???

I don't care of Bama keeps trotting out the same old lame excuse that gun crime is coming down.
It is still happening at a sickening rate compared to other OECD countries.
It is an utter disgrace for a first-world nation.

There needs to be a fundamental change in the US attitude towards guns and their use/ownership.

And I'll ask the same age-old question: how many more does it take before change happens??

Don't lecture us on our weapons laws till you start obeying yours.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
...It is a terrible tragedy that should not happen again... <snip>

How many times have we all heard this over the last few years; yet it keeps happening all over the US with regular monotony???

I don't care of Bama keeps trotting out the same old lame excuse that gun crime is coming down.
It is still happening at a sickening rate compared to other OECD countries.
It is an utter disgrace for a first-world nation.

There needs to be a fundamental change in the US attitude towards guns and their use/ownership.

And I'll ask the same age-old question: how many more does it take before change happens??

Don't lecture us on our weapons laws till you start obeying yours.

And how any times have we had this ridiculous argument Bama??
We generally do obey our laws - that's why we, and all the other OECD countries, don't have as many gun deaths and shootings per capita than you do in the US.

And kdsub may be right in what he says about cop shootings being justified, on the whole, because they are doing their job.
We have police and some are armed but the vast majority are not.
They still face armed criminals without guns and we still don't get as many deaths in the same situations as you do in the US.

It's the whole 'guns first' mentality that puts both citizens and officers at risk.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have admitted that you routinely carry a weapon which is illegal in your country. I wasn't talking about Brits I was talking about you.

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have admitted that you routinely carry a weapon which is illegal in your country. I wasn't talking about Brits I was talking about you.

Get it right moron!!!
I carried it ONCE - not routinely.
And I explained why I did that.

Reading isn't always your strong point and lately you've been almost as bad a Sanity.

You have your opinion, I'll have mine.
I think the US have got it wrong on guns.
All the other OECD countries are proving that fact to be true.

Go figure.