Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson Page: <<   < prev  11 12 [13] 14 15   next >   >>
[Poll]

The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson


Officer Wilson WILL be charged with a crime
  2% (1)
Officer Wilson will NOT be charged with a crime
  38% (14)
I could not care less
  11% (4)
Who is officer Wilson
  16% (6)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is guilty
  19% (7)
Regardless of the decision Wilson is innocent
  11% (4)


Total Votes : 36


(last vote on : 12/8/2014 3:18:50 AM)
(Poll will run till: -- )
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:21:41 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
We need a thread where Bama and Bene can go at it talking to their respective mirrors.

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 241
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:31:12 PM   
BitYakin


Posts: 882
Joined: 10/15/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have admitted that you routinely carry a weapon which is illegal in your country. I wasn't talking about Brits I was talking about you.

Get it right moron!!!
I carried it ONCE - not routinely.
And I explained why I did that.

Reading isn't always your strong point and lately you've been almost as bad a Sanity.

You have your opinion, I'll have mine.
I think the US have got it wrong on guns.
All the other OECD countries are proving that fact to be true.

Go figure.



I could be wrong, but I thought remembered a post where you said in your neighborhood you wouldn't walk down the street without it and you kept it right next to the door

sooo were you lying THEN or NOW?

_____________________________

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 242
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:34:28 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline
....and another thread where Ken and Yak can go at it calling each other liars.

(in reply to BitYakin)
Profile   Post #: 243
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:38:11 PM   
BitYakin


Posts: 882
Joined: 10/15/2005
Status: offline
wasn't speaking to ken but OOOOOK

matter of a fact he has me on hide so there have been no conversations between he an I for a LONG time

_____________________________

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 244
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:40:42 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have admitted that you routinely carry a weapon which is illegal in your country. I wasn't talking about Brits I was talking about you.

Get it right moron!!!
I carried it ONCE - not routinely.
And I explained why I did that.

Reading isn't always your strong point and lately you've been almost as bad a Sanity.

You have your opinion, I'll have mine.
I think the US have got it wrong on guns.
All the other OECD countries are proving that fact to be true.

Go figure.



I could be wrong, but I thought remembered a post where you said in your neighborhood you wouldn't walk down the street without it and you kept it right next to the door

sooo were you lying THEN or NOW?

Yes, I keep it by the door.
The bad neighbourhood is about 300 yards down the road from me near our local co-op store where a lot of leery Kosovans hang out.
And I took it out with me just the once.
I didn't after that and I said so at the time.
So... not lying at all.


_____________________________

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
George Orwell, 1903-1950


(in reply to BitYakin)
Profile   Post #: 245
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:42:10 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
You have admitted that you routinely carry a weapon which is illegal in your country. I wasn't talking about Brits I was talking about you.

Get it right moron!!!
I carried it ONCE - not routinely.
And I explained why I did that.

Reading isn't always your strong point and lately you've been almost as bad a Sanity.

You have your opinion, I'll have mine.
I think the US have got it wrong on guns.
All the other OECD countries are proving that fact to be true.

Go figure.



I could be wrong, but I thought remembered a post where you said in your neighborhood you wouldn't walk down the street without it and you kept it right next to the door

sooo were you lying THEN or NOW?

Yes, I keep it by the door.
The bad neighbourhood is about 300 yards down the road from me near our local co-op store where a lot of leery Kosovans hang out.
And I took it out with me just the once.
I didn't after that and I said so at the time.
So... not lying at all.


You still have it so you are still violating the law.
Get back to us when you are not above the law.

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 246
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/2/2014 5:59:21 PM   
ExiledTyrant


Posts: 4547
Joined: 12/9/2013
From: Exiled
Status: offline
There is weird shit out on the net, man. Jus sayin

quote:


Shotgun certificates may be granted by the chief officer of police if he is satisfied that the applicant’s possession of a shotgun will not pose a danger to public safety or the peace. Certificates will not be granted if the chief officer of police

(a) has reason to believe that the applicant is prohibited by this Act from possessing a shot gun; or

(b) is satisfied that the applicant does not have a good reason for possessing, purchasing or acquiring one.[56]

The term “good reason” for possession of shotguns includes reasons connected with the certificate holder’s profession, sport or recreation, or shooting vermin.[57] The requirement for “good reason” to possess a shotgun was introduced after the Hungerford massacre and concerns that weapons were being purchased for self-defense.[58]


_____________________________

Gnothi Seauton
To lead, first follow: Aurelius, Epictetus, Descartes, Sun Tzu, to name a few.

Semper fidelis (which sometimes feels like a burden)

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 247
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/3/2014 8:08:41 PM   
cloudboy


Posts: 7306
Joined: 12/14/2005
Status: offline

Criticisms of the Grand Jury proceeding in Ferguson:

Justice Scalia on Grand Juries

A trial lawyers take

(in reply to Musicmystery)
Profile   Post #: 248
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 12:21:36 AM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Justice Scalia on Grand Juries

Doesn't sound like the prosecutor had assembled anything of substance anyway...

An Associated Press review of thousands of pages of grand jury documents reveals numerous examples of statements made during the shooting investigation that were inconsistent, fabricated or provably wrong...

Bob McCulloch, the St. Louis County prosecutor, said the grand jury had to weigh testimony that conflicted with physical evidence and conflicting statements by witnesses as it decided whether Wilson should face charges.

"Many witnesses to the shooting of Michael Brown made statements inconsistent with other statements they made and also conflicting with the physical evidence. Some were completely refuted by the physical evidence," McCulloch said.
~Full Article

K.


(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 249
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 7:35:35 AM   
cloudboy


Posts: 7306
Joined: 12/14/2005
Status: offline

Yes, but apparently that's not how it's supposed to done.

(in reply to Kirata)
Profile   Post #: 250
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 9:42:58 AM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline
quote:

Yes, but apparently that's not how it's supposed to done


I can tell you how it went...Or at least how I think it went... First the prosecutor in a normal situation would not bring this incident to a grand jury because obviously there would and should NOT be an indictment or charges brought. Let me say one more time… I do not believe this boy should have been shot… but under the circumstances and law the prosecutor knew there would not be any charges… I’m all for changing the law that allows deadly force in this type of situation.

Soooo what can he do to defuse a volatile situation and try to appease those who believe he will not be fair. He decides to just present all the testimony of all parties along with all the physical evidence along with all the possible charges and let the Grand Jury decide if there should be an indictment. Unusual yes... was it fair and unbiased... yes... did it appease the protesters or anyone that made up their minds before the no bill... no.

Was it good strategy...no.. He is an honorable man that made the wrong decision. He said he was elected by the people and he was going to do his job as mandated. If the governor wanted him to remove himself he would do it but if not he would do what he was elected to do...By the way he was just re-elected last month...if the majority of the people did not believe he was doing his job correctly he should have been voted out.

If I was in his position I would have stepped aside for a special prosecutor but I do understand why he did not. His pride and stubbornness just made the situation worse. Despite what his distractors think and how unusual the proceedings justice was done.

Butch

< Message edited by kdsub -- 12/4/2014 10:09:25 AM >


_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 251
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 10:14:35 AM   
BitYakin


Posts: 882
Joined: 10/15/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Yes, but apparently that's not how it's supposed to done.


not how its supposed to be done? you mean because it was supposed to be a STACKED DECK against Wilson?

that how it SUPPOSED to be done?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/legal-scholars-praise-ferguson-grand-jury-fairness/#sthash.5VrXgMtY.dpuf

Legal scholars praise Ferguson grand jury for fairness beyond the norm


Legal experts across the country agree that while the process that led to a grand jury’s decision not to indict Officer Darren Wilson for killing Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, was unusual, it was not unfair. Rather if it was anything unusual, it was in its fairness and openness.

Lawyers and academics told The Washington Times that, despite their personal opinions on the case, which has sparked riots over police brutality, St. Louis county prosecutor Robert McCulloch sought unbiased justice in presenting the jury with every piece of evidence and then making that evidence public.

“It was the most thorough grand jury investigation that I’ve ever heard of,” said Stephen Saltzburg, a professor of law at George Washington University Law School.

But Richard Kelsey, assistant dean for management and planning at George Mason University law school, said that what makes this case more unusual is that Mr. McCulloch sought justice rather than an indictment.

“Usually you don’t hear what evidence they considered,” Mr. Saltzburg said. “I give the prosecutor top marks in terms of transparency and accountability.”

“Even if you could have gotten an indictment, what good does it do to get an indictment and then have your case thrown out,” said Gabriel Chin, a professor at the University of California Davis School of Law.

Lawyers say in general, grand jury cases are subject to pro-prosecution bias because a district attorney will try to summarize their case to obtain an indictment, possibly hiding some of the evidence. Meanwhile, the accused has no right to an attorney, to present evidence on his behalf, or even to know that his indictment is being considered.

“What you hope is that it’s a neutral process, but it’s not when you don’t have anybody in there for the other side,” said Lee Cox, a Texas-based criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor.

“The grand jury system is a one-sided Kangaroo Court, which virutally always indicts since jurors hear the prosecutor’s version of events and rule without having ever heard from the defense,” Mr. Fronstin said.



I thought it was about JUSTICE, and THAT was how it was SUPPPOSED to be done?!?!

< Message edited by BitYakin -- 12/4/2014 10:25:08 AM >


_____________________________

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 252
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 10:15:03 AM   
cloudboy


Posts: 7306
Joined: 12/14/2005
Status: offline

The rules favor the police. This seems especially true for in-the-line-of-duty judgment calls.

Evidence before a grand jury is supposed to be biased in favor of an indictment. No prosecutor is trying to introduce exculpatory evidence at this time. The saying is that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he wants to.

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 253
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 10:18:33 AM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The rules favor the police. This seems especially true for in-the-line-of-duty judgment calls.

Evidence before a grand jury is supposed to be biased in favor of an indictment. No prosecutor is trying to introduce exculpatory evidence at this time. The saying is that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he wants to.

So the prosecutor should have ignored the fact that there was no case and stacked it so that Wilson was indicted?

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 254
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 10:23:44 AM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline
But cloudboy he knew there was no law that he could bring charges on... so he did the next best thing... he figured a way to make ALL the evidence available to the public... very unusual but an attempt to be as transparent as possible.

Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 255
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 10:31:26 AM   
BitYakin


Posts: 882
Joined: 10/15/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The rules favor the police. This seems especially true for in-the-line-of-duty judgment calls.

Evidence before a grand jury is supposed to be biased in favor of an indictment. No prosecutor is trying to introduce exculpatory evidence at this time. The saying is that a prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich if he wants to.



translation, screw justice, screw being fair, we wanted to hang Wilson and now we're PISSED cause it was actually FAIR

_____________________________

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

(in reply to cloudboy)
Profile   Post #: 256
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 3:28:29 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

But cloudboy he knew there was no law that he could bring charges on... so he did the next best thing... he figured a way to make ALL the evidence available to the public... very unusual but an attempt to be as transparent as possible.

Butch

Laws he could have brought charges on:
2nd degree murder (and a bunch of lesser included charges)
use of excessive force by a LEO
failure to file a police report

But he chose not to instruct the grand jury about any of those potential charges or any charges at all so how where they supposed to vote out an indictment even if they wanted to?

(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 257
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 3:38:21 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

But cloudboy he knew there was no law that he could bring charges on... so he did the next best thing... he figured a way to make ALL the evidence available to the public... very unusual but an attempt to be as transparent as possible.

Butch

Laws he could have brought charges on:
2nd degree murder (and a bunch of lesser included charges)
use of excessive force by a LEO
failure to file a police report

But he chose not to instruct the grand jury about any of those potential charges or any charges at all so how where they supposed to vote out an indictment even if they wanted to?

except for the trivial matter that the evidence didn't support any of these

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 258
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 4:55:09 PM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

But cloudboy he knew there was no law that he could bring charges on... so he did the next best thing... he figured a way to make ALL the evidence available to the public... very unusual but an attempt to be as transparent as possible.

Butch

Laws he could have brought charges on:
2nd degree murder (and a bunch of lesser included charges)
use of excessive force by a LEO
failure to file a police report

But he chose not to instruct the grand jury about any of those potential charges or any charges at all so how where they supposed to vote out an indictment even if they wanted to?

except for the trivial matter that the evidence didn't support any of these

There was more than probable cause for all of them. If you don't understand what probable cause means perhaps you should shut the fuck up.

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 259
RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson - 12/4/2014 4:59:54 PM   
BitYakin


Posts: 882
Joined: 10/15/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

But cloudboy he knew there was no law that he could bring charges on... so he did the next best thing... he figured a way to make ALL the evidence available to the public... very unusual but an attempt to be as transparent as possible.

Butch

Laws he could have brought charges on:
2nd degree murder (and a bunch of lesser included charges)
use of excessive force by a LEO
failure to file a police report

But he chose not to instruct the grand jury about any of those potential charges or any charges at all so how where they supposed to vote out an indictment even if they wanted to?

except for the trivial matter that the evidence didn't support any of these

There was more than probable cause for all of them. If you don't understand what probable cause means perhaps you should shut the fuck up.


WOW what a surprise DK didn't agree with someone so they should SHUT THE FUCK UP!

HAHAHAH

just so we all know...


Probable Cause
Apparent facts discovered through logical inquiry that would lead a reasonably intelligent and prudent person to believe that an accused person has committed a crime, thereby warranting his or her prosecution


so according to DK the jurors were NOT reasonably intelligent!


< Message edited by BitYakin -- 12/4/2014 5:05:58 PM >


_____________________________

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

(in reply to DomKen)
Profile   Post #: 260
Page:   <<   < prev  11 12 [13] 14 15   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The Grand Jury has decided in Ferguson Page: <<   < prev  11 12 [13] 14 15   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.125