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Lucy, you are British right? I hope you know that your British military has been doing the same things or worst, just that, it does not get out to the media. And also their inhumane torture techniques have saved lives in Britain.

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I still don't get all these condemnation for torture of terrorists for information.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Cheney does not even understand why somebody would look away. His soul is a cold, black void.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/torture-party-republicans.html

Not that your copy&paste propaganda piece is connected to reality in any way...

But again, the Dems were fully in the loop on the interrogation methods, never objecting until they smelled political opportunity

Then they threw our soldiers under the bus along with Obamas own grandmother and his preacher

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Don't yell at terrorist suspects, soldiers told

Army chiefs warn interrogations are being hampered by go-softly rules

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11292578/Dont-yell-at-terrorist-suspects-soldiers-told.html

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

Lucy, you are British right? I hope you know that your British military has been doing the same things or worst, just that, it does not get out to the media. And also their inhumane torture techniques have saved lives in Britain.
I still don't get all these condemnation for torture of terrorists for information.
If they tortured an innocent person who isn't planning to grand plans to kill alot more innocent people, I would be outrage.

But these aren't innocents being tortured for information.

If the torture program was a failure to get information, I'd say it's the red tape in the US that prevents them from being more brutal. To get information, you must get to their family and threaten their family and even hurt their family infront of them, they will break. US can't do that, because of all the red tape. Terrorists are like top soldiers, trained to withstand torture, plus their religious faith in what they believe will send them to heaven will give them the strength to resist everything.

I seriously have no sympathy for kind and humane treatment for people who are plotting mass murder.

Condemning the soldiers who have to do the ugliest job in the world, that would hunt their conscience for life for the sake of keeping the nation safe to me, is just being so fuck them for their sacrifice of their own peace of mind.

You know to be an "official" military "torturer", they got to go through psychology test, they really got to pick individuals who won't go mad or tormented after performing these acts. Who is strong enough to deal with it and have the control. It's a freaking dirty job.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Brainless fucking trolls

Cant have a legitimate debate with them, as they always have to sink to a personal attack

Too fucking lowlife and stupid to "debate" any other way

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney refuses to call the enhanced interrogation techniques detailed in last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's brutal handling of prisoners "torture."

“We were very careful to stop short of torture,” Cheney said on "Meet the Press" Sunday. The Senate has seen fit to label their report torture. But we worked hard to stay short of that definition."

"All of the techniques that were authorized by the president were, in effect, blessed by the Justice Department opinion that we could go forward with those without, in fact, committing torture,” the former vice president continued.

Cheney said he defines torture as "an American citizen on a cell phone making a last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the Trade Center in New York City on 9/11."

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney refuses to call the enhanced interrogation techniques detailed in last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report on the CIA's brutal handling of prisoners "torture."

“We were very careful to stop short of torture,” Cheney said on "Meet the Press" Sunday. The Senate has seen fit to label their report torture. But we worked hard to stay short of that definition."

"All of the techniques that were authorized by the president were, in effect, blessed by the Justice Department opinion that we could go forward with those without, in fact, committing torture,” the former vice president continued.

Cheney said he defines torture as "an American citizen on a cell phone making a last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the Trade Center in New York City on 9/11."

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

For a reason, but that you missed it again, isnt surprising.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The reason being that you are insane

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The CIA official who ran the agency's enhanced-interrogation program in the years immediately following the 9/11 attacks said that congressional leaders who are now up in arms over harsh interrogation tactics once criticized him for not being tough enough on terrorist detainees.Jose Rodriguez, the CIA's point man for counterterrorism between 2002 and 2004, told Fox News's Chris Wallace on Sunday that Democratic lawmakers now accusing the CIA of keeping Congress in the dark on some interrogation methods '"knew exactly what we were doing."

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~FR~


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-torture-report-agency-conduct-was-driven-by-pressure-to-link-iraq-to-alqaeda-following-911-9924552.html

“for most of 2002 and into 2003, [Vice-President Dick] Cheney and [Defence Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld were also demanding proof of the links between al-Qaeda and Iraq.”

On being told repeatedly by the CIA that there was no reliable intelligence about such links, Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld insisted harsher methods be used. The officer said: “There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people to push harder.”

A number of sources, including our US Army Field Manual, claim that torture isn't an effective method of gathering reliable information. Maybe that wasn't the goal. Maybe the goal was to get detainees to connect 9/11 to Iraq by any means necessary.