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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-torture-report-agency-conduct-was-driven-by-pressure-to-link-iraq-to-alqaeda-following-911-9924552.html

“for most of 2002 and into 2003, [Vice-President Dick] Cheney and [Defence Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld were also demanding proof of the links between al-Qaeda and Iraq.”

On being told repeatedly by the CIA that there was no reliable intelligence about such links, Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld insisted harsher methods be used. The officer said: “There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people to push harder.”

A number of sources, including our US Army Field Manual, claim that torture isn't an effective method of gathering reliable information. Maybe that wasn't the goal. Maybe the goal was to get detainees to connect 9/11 to Iraq by any means necessary.

Again, that "report" was written by lying Democrat party hacks

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cia-torture-report-agency-conduct-was-driven-by-pressure-to-link-iraq-to-alqaeda-following-911-9924552.html

“for most of 2002 and into 2003, [Vice-President Dick] Cheney and [Defence Secretary Donald] Rumsfeld were also demanding proof of the links between al-Qaeda and Iraq.”

On being told repeatedly by the CIA that there was no reliable intelligence about such links, Mr Cheney and Mr Rumsfeld insisted harsher methods be used. The officer said: “There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people to push harder.”

A number of sources, including our US Army Field Manual, claim that torture isn't an effective method of gathering reliable information. Maybe that wasn't the goal. Maybe the goal was to get detainees to connect 9/11 to Iraq by any means necessary.

Again, that "report" was written by lying Democrat party hacks

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[McClatchy News, 4/21/2009] A former senior intelligence official later says: “There were two reasons why these interrogations were so persistent, and why extreme methods were used. The main one is that everyone was worried about some kind of follow-up attack [after 9/11]. But for most of 2002 and into 2003, Cheney and Rumsfeld, especially, were also demanding proof of the links between al-Qaeda and Iraq that [former Iraqi exile leader Ahmed] Chalabi (see November 6-8, 2001) and others had told them were there.… There was constant pressure on the intelligence agencies and the interrogators to do whatever it took to get that information out of the detainees, especially the few high-value ones we had, and when people kept coming up empty, they were told by Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people to push harder.” [McClatchy News, 4/21/2009]

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Warnings of Unreliability from Outset - Almost from the outset of the torture program, military and other experts warned that such techniques were likely to provide “less reliable” intelligence results than traditional, less aggressive approaches. In July 2002, a memo from the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JRPA), which oversees the SERE training program, warned that “if an interrogator produces information that resulted from the application of physical and psychological duress, the reliability and accuracy of this information is in doubt. In other words, a subject in extreme pain may provide an answer, any answer, or many answers in order to get the pain to stop” (see July 2002). [Senate Armed Services Committee, 12/11/2008 pdf file; Agence France-Presse, 4/21/2009]

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Obama is keen to try to put the row behind him, reluctant to see prosecutions that could be politically divisive and distract attention from his heavy domestic and foreign agenda.

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Your sources are tortured

More partisan propaganda

There was this one joke in the first link though

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Obama is keen to try to put the row behind him, reluctant to see prosecutions that could be politically divisive and distract attention from his heavy domestic and foreign agenda.

Hilarious, because this ancient history was only dredged up to pull attention away from Obamas massively unpopular failures

Jimmuh Cottuh's second term

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On Monday's CBS This Morning, co-host Gayle King claimed that Americans were "divided" over the CIA's use of enhanced interrogation techniques after September 11th. However, the latest CBS News poll she cited "shows that 49% of Americans feel aggressive interrogation techniques like waterboarding are sometimes justified. 36% say they are never justified." The remaining 14% said that it "depends" or "didn't know."

Fellow co-host Norah O'Donnell followed up with another poll result: "Meanwhile 52% believe the release of that Senate report could pose a threat to U.S. security."

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Explain that to John McCain, who knows a few things about torture, and opposes it.

He's even got that R you look for before thinking.

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Funny how you dismiss facts when they don't fit your propaganda.

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Is this the part where you stick out your tongue again?

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Unlike the lowly hated Democrats, who were for enhanced interrogation techniques before they were against them (depending on the political breeze at the moment)

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Unlike the lowly hated Democrats, who were for enhanced interrogation techniques before they were against them (depending on the political breeze at the moment)

Is this is the same Jose Rodriguez ??????
CIA Director of the National Clandestine Service, Jose Rodriguez, was found to have destroyed almost 100 video recordings of interrogations in 2005. The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence believed that he was covering up illegal activities by the CIA, although the committee had initially been told by CIA officials that Rodriguez was not engaging in "destruction of evidence" Rodriguez preemptively criticized the report in an op-ed for The Washington Post on December 5, 2014???

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Unlike the lowly hated Democrats, who were for enhanced interrogation techniques before they were against them (depending on the political breeze at the moment)

Is this is the same Jose Rodriguez ??????
CIA Director of the National Clandestine Service, Jose Rodriguez, was found to have destroyed almost 100 video recordings of interrogations in 2005. The United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence believed that he was covering up illegal activities by the CIA, although the committee had initially been told by CIA officials that Rodriguez was not engaging in "destruction of evidence" Rodriguez preemptively criticized the report in an op-ed for The Washington Post on December 5, 2014???

From a source so biased you are too ashamed of yourself to provide a link... ?