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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 3:50:13 PM   
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Although fascinating Eyes Catch my attention too.


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 3:52:38 PM   
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Me, I find that a dominant's wiggly buttocks make a big difference, EmpressE. Fine pair of wiggly peaches on a woman; her requirements are much easier to accept, i find.


Well he did self identify as an "utter cad". Honesty is the best policy.
And YouName, what you wrote was lovely. Just when I start warming up to you, you go and do something weird.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 4:01:53 PM   
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I'll compensate with my new profile picture that you might like.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 4:03:43 PM   
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Weird is bad? : (


I was gonna say no, and then I saw that eyeball, LOL. How about "not necessarily" as an answer.
And I do love it, lots. Then there's a reptile wearing a carnival costume as your second pic, haha (alrighty then). I don't understand the correlation but I do like eccentric. Hopefully you're a nerd like me would be why, so I can "out" my nerd hobbies to you.


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 4:08:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Peon will appreciate the as we say funneh in it.
Anyway, who wouldn't obey the twisted soul who had those Eyes, unless if that was Medusa freezing to stone every poor critter except the hero sent there to slay her.

Ah it's getting late again and I have a 6 hour drive, and this isn't even PM. Better shush.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/18/2014 4:17:14 PM   
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By the way, nice hands.


Er ... what?

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/19/2014 7:43:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please don’t take me literally. When I mentioned hiring an escort, I was being hypothetical and placing an element of realism to the debate of how most men think sexually. I personally don’t invest in escorts for sex, so I think you completely misunderstood my point.

I don’t want to be a contender for a D/s relationship. It isn’t what I am seeking. A few years ago, when I was looking, I was specifically keen on a mutual kinky relationship, between two consensual adults. During that period, I would meet with a female student in my home town, who enjoyed my time and company, and relished the idea of experimenting in role play scenarios. We both would get sexually aroused from our endeavours and believe it or not, it is possible for a women don’t be obsessed with making money out of BDSM.

Why do people go to work? To earn a living. Why do people drive cars? To travel from one location to another. Why do we eat food? To stay alive, and why do some women charge to dominate me? Because they are only interested in making money. I see things for what they are and most people do things for a given reason. These kind of women don’t care about satisfying their subs nor do they care about fetish related activities. Those are the cold facts.

Nowadays, I’m not really interested in exploring my fetishes (especially ones you listed) because I am wise enough to realise there is more to life than BDSM or meeting Dommes. I live a boring solidary existence, I grant you that, but at least I am not lining someone’s pockets!

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/19/2014 8:16:19 AM   
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Please don’t take me literally. When I mentioned hiring an escort, I was being hypothetical and placing an element of realism to the debate of how most men think sexually. I personally don’t invest in escorts for sex, so I think you completely misunderstood my point.

I don’t want to be a contender for a D/s relationship. It isn’t what I am seeking. A few years ago, when I was looking, I was specifically keen on a mutual kinky relationship, between two consensual adults. During that period, I would meet with a female student in my home town, who enjoyed my time and company, and relished the idea of experimenting in role play scenarios. We both would get sexually aroused from our endeavours and believe it or not, it is possible for a women don’t be obsessed with making money out of BDSM.

Why do people go to work? To earn a living. Why do people drive cars? To travel from one location to another. Why do we eat food? To stay alive, and why do some women charge to dominate me? Because they are only interested in making money. I see things for what they are and most people do things for a given reason. These kind of women don’t care about satisfying their subs nor do they care about fetish related activities. Those are the cold facts.

Nowadays, I’m not really interested in exploring my fetishes (especially ones you listed) because I am wise enough to realise there is more to life than BDSM or meeting Dommes. I live a boring solidary existence, I grant you that, but at least I am not lining someone’s pockets!



I agree with everything you have said. In fact, nowadays I urge people to search locally with people of similar levels of experience so it can be a fun and learning process for them both in the context of a relationship.
Here is the only place we disagree (to some extent).
I held your belief very strongly until I stumbled across CS, and engaged with many, many "subs".
I have to say, there are a lot of "do-me" subs as some people call them on the site. And their lack of interest in you as a person, a woman and much less a Domme is EXTREMELY off-putting. Meaning they are so sleazy and just plain "yuck" and I can see how it would cause some Dommes to resent or simply realize the fact that some women are able to bypass that entire ordeal by putting a price tag on things. It really makes sense, at least on CS and other more mainstream sites. If subs were less "self serving" as you were kind enough to acknowledge you were (most DO NOT EVER), then I'm sure there would be a shift in this balance but I'm not entirely convinced the Dommes have caused the current state of affairs where transactional arrangements are so much the norm that men seem to categorically throw us all under that banner.
Additionally in my mind, if you cherish a woman, you will provide for her if that is her desire. Unlike myself, my sister has always had her husband to "take care" of her. Some men have given me the ultimatum of giving up my business in order to "marry and let me drive the porsche". And even added"what more do you need?"
I mean, it is what it is but I think it's unhealthy to judge an entire group of people, be it proDommes, finDommes or lifestyle Dommes like myself based on a singular bad experience with someone who I think was being deliberately dishonest. We're all individuals and we have our own unique take on the lifestyle and what it means for us as well as why we are a part of it with apps like tinder at our disposal. And there are way less tedious ways to make money if you really "didn't like it". At least in my mind. *shrug*
Like you, for me it is choice, and I can be anyone and anything I wish to be if there is merely the desire. And my desires usually are stirred by the intangible rather than the tangible.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/19/2014 8:33:00 AM   
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Why do people go to work? To earn a living.


Why do (some) people choose the job they do? Because they love it. Because it brings them pleasure.

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Why do people drive cars? To travel from one location to another.


And some love to drive. And others do not. I chose not to drive until I was 26. I took other methods of transportation. I now love to drive, and sometimes do it just for the joy of it.

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Why do we eat food? To stay alive,


The type of food we eat is determined by what we enjoy. To stay alive, we could drink soylent, and be fine. Why waste all that time choosing a restaurant, mixing with friends, and chewing?

I personally love the cooking, sharing with friends, and the eating of food as much as the staying alive part.

Without the joys mentioned above and so many others, staying alive would be a sad existence. Or, I should say, I would see that as existing, not really being fully alive.

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and why do some women charge to dominate me? Because they are only interested in making money.


Your extrapolation is a fallacy of false cause, based on exaggerated reasoning of black vs. white.

http://cdn.twentytwowords.com/wp-content/uploads/Logical-Fallacies-19-634x391.jpg?e993a3

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I see things for what they are and most people do things for a given reason. These kind of women don’t care about satisfying their subs nor do they care about fetish related activities. Those are the cold facts.


You see things as you interpret them.

Most people do things for a given reason. What those reasons are can be what you suggest, although I would say there are other ways to make money, so to say they chose BDSM-for-cash purely to make money is very simplistic (although that may be true for some).

I know women who are professionals. Some scene professionally. Some do phone chat, or nite flirt. Some do web shows. The ones I know and are friends with, do it because they LOVE providing a service and fulfilling a need that many men cannot get satisfied in other ways.

There are mercenary women out there, sure, thinking they will make a quick buck. They have a right, just as men have a right to not choose them. They may even be the majority. But they are not representative of my friends' reasons for doing these things, versus getting a different job.

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Nowadays, I’m not really interested in exploring my fetishes (especially ones you listed) because I am wise enough to realise there is more to life than BDSM or meeting Dommes. I live a boring solidary existence, I grant you that, but at least I am not lining someone’s pockets!


Sounds a bit sad to cut off so much of yourself, just because you have chosen to believe so negatively about people (women in particular).


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/19/2014 8:57:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		You posited an argument of sorts which invited responses. I hope you don't think I was *picking* on you because I see your line of "reasoning" as representing a good many kinky men your age, give or take a decade, and your post was exemplary. In fact, I thought your post was a good illustration of what many kinksters like yourself (who are active, as opposed to the inactive status you've gone into) also can't seem to comprehend. You wonder, Why aren't kinky women jumping at the chance to follow my fantasy scripts, and what's wrong with all these Dommes who *gasp* expect something more than NSA hook-ups? Doesn't my 2 to 4-hour block of feigned submission suffice?

Speaking in general what you and so many "DO-ME subs" with your fantasy BDSM bottoming menu don't understand is that none of this means shite to us lifestyle Dommes. Your (plural) kinks & fetishes without authentic submission sexually objectifies us into your fetish & kink delivery system. You don't need a Dominant woman. You just crave a BDSM Top/sex worker. Now what sex worker is going to work for free? Then you (personal) threw in the sex-for-hire card, that you could get "full contact" sex from an escort that you couldn't get from hiring a Pro-Domme or from an amateurish tribute and/or fee-charging Domme.

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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

Nowadays, I’m not really interested in exploring my fetishes (especially ones you listed) because I am wise enough to realise there is more to life than BDSM or meeting Dommes.

Good for you, although you might want to update your profile because that's where this list was derived. I did not make it up. You're the one who says you "mainly have a foot fetish" and are "into Foot Worship, Trampling, [Objectification, BDSM,] Face Sitting, Bondage,..." and I chose to leave off "Spanking." Depending on whether you would require a Disciplinarian (specialist), that might cost you extra above and beyond the average negotiated cost.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 3:35:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		My extrapolation as you put it isn’t ‘fallacy’, it is a valid point. So you are telling me that there aren’t any Dommes who enjoy dominating subs for financial gain? It demonstrates enormous amount of naivety on your part. The black vs white emphasis is a convenient and vague way of disproving someone’s argument, based upon the notion there must be multiple outcomes. In my defence, surely you must agree, a quote extracted from a paragraph loses its state of meaning and purpose, when it is placed in isolation. The context then becomes ambiguous and often eroded, which can lead to a fragmented debate. Yes, there are other ways of making money. A simple answer to your question; why charge a sub for money, when you happen to enjoy domineering them? Surely, the domineering alone is enough to fulfil your overall satisfaction, without the need to demand cash in return. This is what I’m trying to figure out.

I agree with you, there are men who like this financial arrangement of handing over money for pleasure. I personally respect any women who is dynamic enough to invest in premises, spend time converting the premises into a dungeon and buy the necessary tools/equipment. As far as I’m concerned, she is entitled to make as much money as she wants and I don’t have a problem with that arrangement. However, women who set-up a profile demanding subs to give them money for nothing or women who have their own careers and income, and expect men to pay for everything, including the hotel, session etc… it is unfair, greedy and fundamentally wrong. Most importantly, it gives other morally balanced women a bad name. If a man or women want to participate in harmless adult fun (because it does work both ways), it should be about that boring unfashionable word known as ‘compromise’.

For your information, I don’t hate women and do happen to have some female friends, who I consider to be great human beings. I just don’t like any form of exploitation, regardless of whether they are men or women. Hypothetically speaking, if male subs stopped giving money to financial Dommes, that would essentially eliminate at least 90% the female profiles on this site.


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 4:27:46 AM   
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My extrapolation as you put it isn’t ‘fallacy’, it is a valid point. So you are telling me that there aren’t any Dommes who enjoy dominating subs for financial gain? It demonstrates enormous amount of naivety on your part.


I see you react, rather than respond, as I very clearly stated:

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
There are mercenary women out there, sure, thinking they will make a quick buck. They have a right, just as men have a right to not choose them. They may even be the majority.


So, yeah, no naivety.

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The black vs white emphasis is a convenient and vague way of disproving someone’s argument, based upon the notion there must be multiple outcomes. In my defence, surely you must agree, a quote extracted from a paragraph loses its state of meaning and purpose, when it is placed in isolation. The context then becomes ambiguous and often eroded, which can lead to a fragmented debate. Yes, there are other ways of making money. A simple answer to your question; why charge a sub for money, when you happen to enjoy domineering them? Surely, the domineering alone is enough to fulfil your overall satisfaction, without the need to demand cash in return. This is what I’m trying to figure out.


In some cases it is. I do not charge to dominate anyone. Well, I do. I charge:

Their time.
Entrance to their mind.
Their affection and devotion.
Their obedience.
Sex.
Laughter.
Tokens and gifts.
Challenges.

So, what I get out of my relationships is more than money.

But that is not what we are talking about, in the case of pro-dommes. It's like saying that Tiger Woods, David Beckham, Venus Williams, and Ben Roethlisberger should not keep the money they make as professional athletes, because they enjoys the game. It's their profession, damnit.

What kind of horrible world do you like in that you think people should always do for free what they love, and then work a job they do not love simply to afford to live?

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I agree with you, there are men who like this financial arrangement of handing over money for pleasure. I personally respect any women who is dynamic enough to invest in premises, spend time converting the premises into a dungeon and buy the necessary tools/equipment. As far as I’m concerned, she is entitled to make as much money as she wants and I don’t have a problem with that arrangement.


So, why question it?

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However, women who set-up a profile demanding subs to give them money for nothing or women who have their own careers and income, and expect men to pay for everything, including the hotel, session etc… it is unfair, greedy and fundamentally wrong.


So, don't date them. Simple.

You have a right to nothing from anyone. To expect that a woman should change how she wishes to live her life for your morals and viewpoints is just silly.

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Most importantly, it gives other morally balanced women a bad name.


No, it doesn't. Those women have nothing to do with anyone except themselves.

I have been approached by a man who alternately begs for me to pay attention to him, claims to love me, and calls me a dirty filthy whore in a series of messages, going back and forth randomly, without a further response from me.

Does he give YOU a bad name? No. Because you and he are not related in any way (I presume). To paint you with the brush that he prepared would be rude and inconsiderate of me.

You are being rude and inconsiderate suggesting that some women behaving badly reflect on all women. And another fallacious argument. It's called association fallacy, and is a sub-set of the appeal to emotion fallacy.

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If a man or women want to participate in harmless adult fun (because it does work both ways), it should be about that boring unfashionable word known as ‘compromise’.


Yes. To YOU. That's the thing. You can choose whatever you want as your relationship priorities. She can, too. IF the two of you match up, then yay! Otherwise, why do you care?

That's the part I don't get.

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For your information, I don’t hate women and do happen to have some female friends, who I consider to be great human beings.


"I'm not a murderer; some of my best friends are alive."
—Sean Lock

Liking or even loving someone from a group isn't proof that you don't have prejudices toward that group. It's not even proof that you aren't actively oppressing that group. You can have a black friend and still hold ugly prejudices toward black people. You can love your wife and still think women are just dumber than men.

The friend argument is a bad one.

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I just don’t like any form of exploitation, regardless of whether they are men or women. Hypothetically speaking, if male subs stopped giving money to financial Dommes, that would essentially eliminate at least 90% the female profiles on this site.


LOL! And if males pretending to be female dommes stopped providing wank fantasies to other men once in a while, that would probably eliminate 90% of the male profiles on this site, as they would go elsewhere to find their kinks.

So what? I don't like guys who come into my inbox and order me to "kneel, slave." But I also don't let them affect my life negatively.

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So, here's the thing. You may be a great guy. I don't know you. I am simply responding to your words, and your argumentative presentation. This is truly nothing personal for me. If you are a jerk, you are free to be one, if you are not, you are free to take my words with a grain of salt, or with the weight that this might be how you come off to people without personal knowledge bias.

And that could be affecting who you used to meet and connect with on sites like this. *shrugs*


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 5:30:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don’t worry, I’m kind of use to people picking on me. Story of my life.

I don’t feel comfortable being categorised or put into boxes, and also I don’t represent the views of your typical active or inactive subs, I represent myself as a fully grown adult. My views are based upon my experiences, ideology and my unique perception of morality.

Just to clarify another point (when I was active), I wasn’t one of them ‘DO-ME subs’ like most Dommes on here seem to think I am. I have always tried to be very generous and willing to compromise, but not willing to be exploited or taken for a ride. Furthermore, I think you completely misread my point for ‘sex for hire’. Like I said in response to another Domme on here; when you extract a quote from a paragraph, it loses its state of meaning and purpose, when it is placed in isolation. The context then becomes ambiguous and often eroded, which can lead to a fragmented debate. Not to mention ‘misinterpretation’. Once again, I don’t pay for sex.

I think we all have fantasies, which I don’t consider to be a script. A conclusion you derived at. Judging by your profile, in the left hand interests column, you are supposedly into ass play, blind folds, bondage, hair pulling, spanking etc… just to name a few, so I don’t really get your point. My profile was created many years ago, which I had forgotten to update. The fact you have pointed it out to me, it has now been set to ‘Not Active’.

You are right, I don’t need a Dominant women and moreover, I don’t need to fulfil my fetishes with a sex worker. Funny as it seems, there are women out there, who enjoy exploring other people’s fetishes, and at the same, they have fetishes of their own to share too, without any financial gain. So you don’t necessarily have to invest in a sex worker or Dominatrix, in order to experience it. Not to mention organised non-profiting fetish parties, where likeminded people meet up, from all walks of life. Saying that, I think Dominatrices and sex workers seem to suit married men because it is professional, discrete and without any emotional attachments.


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 8:34:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have extracted a lot of my points. I may have to number and condense your answers, please don’t take offence. Here goes:

1. I ‘respond’, so therefore I ‘react’.

2. I agree, you aren’t naïve, and you know full well, there are women out there who make money out of male subs and their fantasies. What I find fascinating, most female subs are an exception to the rule.

3. Quote: ‘in some cases it is. I do not charge to dominate anyone. Well, I do. I charge’. So Their time. Entrance to their mind. Their affection and devotion. Their obedience. Sex. Laughter. Tokens and gifts. Challenges.’ So, what I get out of my relationships is more than money’. Answer: If they weren’t paying you, would you still enjoy doing it?

4. Celebrity sportsman deserve every penny because they have applied themselves physically, competed in numerous completions and contributed to their chosen sport or profession. If they still enjoy it, well done.

5. I know people who enjoy going to work, but if they were to win the lottery tomorrow, would they be back after Christmas? I very much doubt it. Money is the main attraction and motivation. The ability to enjoy one's job is an added bonus.

6. Yes, this world is horrible.

7. Quote ‘So, why question it?’ Answer: I wasn't questioning it, I was giving my opinion of why women charge and what they offer in return, as a commodity or service.

8. Quote: ‘So, don't date them. Simple’. Answer: I don’t date them, I was giving my opinion.

9. Quote: ‘You have a right to nothing from anyone. To expect that a woman should change how she wishes to live her life for your morals and viewpoints is just silly’. Answer: I don’t demand anything from anyone. At the same time, I still think people should follow a moral code. Yes, it's down to the individual.

10. Quote: ‘No, it doesn't. Those women have nothing to do with anyone except themselves’.
Answer: It does give women a bad name. You go on any forum, website and talk about financial Dommes, and you will see many negative messages about women exploiting men through financial means. Some people call them cash cows.

11. Quote: ‘I have been approached by a man who alternately begs for me to pay attention him, claims to love me, and calls me a dirty filthy whore in a series of messages, going back and forth randomly, without a further response from me’.
Answer: That just goes to show how ignorant that sub is by calling you a filthy whore. In your defence, you do explain about your intentions and services you offer, regarding money. He obviously has psychological issues.

12. Quote: ‘You are being rude and inconsiderate suggesting that some women behaving badly reflect on all women. And another fallacious argument. It's called sociation fallacy, and is a sub-set of the appeal to emotion fallacy’.
Answer: In reality, it does have an impact on what men think of women, especially in this community. Just read some of their profiles. If I have been rude indirectly, please accept my apology. However, calling everything a fallacy because you happen to disagree with some else’s point of view, doesn’t make it a fallacy. Only in your eyes.

13. Quote: ‘Yes. To YOU. That's the thing. You can choose whatever you want as your relationship priorities. She can, too. IF the two of you match up, then yay! Otherwise, why do you care? That's the part I don't get’. Answer. I don’t care, I’m just giving my opinion.

14. Quote: "I'm not a murderer; some of my best friends are alive —Sean Lock’. Answer: Hate is a very strong overpowering word. I don’t personally hate financial Dommes and definitely don’t hate you. How can you hate someone with a cute smile like yours? I just don’t support financial Domme related activities.

15. Quote: Liking or even loving someone from a group isn't proof that you don't have prejudices toward that group. It's not even proof that you aren't actively oppressing that group. You can have a black friend and still hold ugly prejudices toward black people. You can love your wife and still think women are just dumber than men. The friend argument is a bad one’.
Answer: I don’t have any prejudices towards women. I must admit, I don’t have friends coming out of my ears, but I am proud to have some female friends. In fact, I admire women raising kids in one parent families and especially women competing with men in a male dominated industry and proving them wrong. Those women are my heroes. The fact I don’t agree with financial domination, doesn’t make me a women hater. Its bit like a black man playing the race card, when he doesn't get his own way and calling you a racist.

16. Quote: ‘LOL! And if males pretending to be female dommes stopped providing wank fantasies to other men once in a while, that would probably eliminate 90% of the male profiles on this site, as they would go elsewhere to find their kinks’. Answer: I can’t fault your logic, good point well made.

17. Quote: ‘So what? I don't like guys who come into my inbox and order me to "kneel, slave." But I also don't let them affect my life negatively’. Answer: Those guys sound like time wasters.

18. Quote: ‘So, here's the thing. You may be a great guy. I don't know you. I am simply responding to your words, and your argumentative presentation. This is truly nothing personal for e. If you are a jerk, you are free to be one, if you are not, you are free to take my words with a grain of salt, or with the weight that this might be how you come off to people without personal knowledge bias’. And that could be affecting who you used to meet and connect with on sites like this. *shrugs*’
Answer: You probably think I am a jerk, but I will still respect your opinion and more than happy to debate with you.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 8:59:49 AM   
GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

Don’t worry, I’m kind of use to people picking on me. Story of my life.

I don’t feel comfortable being categorised or put into boxes, and also I don’t represent the views of your typical active or inactive subs, I represent myself as a fully grown adult. My views are based upon my experiences, ideology and my unique perception of morality.

Just to clarify another point (when I was active), I wasn’t one of them ‘DO-ME subs’ like most Dommes on here seem to think I am. I have always tried to be very generous and willing to compromise, but not willing to be exploited or taken for a ride. Furthermore, I think you completely misread my point for ‘sex for hire’. Like I said in response to another Domme on here; when you extract a quote from a paragraph, it loses its state of meaning and purpose, when it is placed in isolation. The context then becomes ambiguous and often eroded, which can lead to a fragmented debate. Not to mention ‘misinterpretation’. Once again, I don’t pay for sex.

I think we all have fantasies, which I don’t consider to be a script. A conclusion you derived at. Judging by your profile, in the left hand interests column, you are supposedly into ass play, blind folds, bondage, hair pulling, spanking etc… just to name a few, so I don’t really get your point. My profile was created many years ago, which I had forgotten to update. The fact you have pointed it out to me, it has now been set to ‘Not Active’.

You are right, I don’t need a Dominant women and moreover, I don’t need to fulfil my fetishes with a sex worker. Funny as it seems, there are women out there, who enjoy exploring other people’s fetishes, and at the same, they have fetishes of their own to share too, without any financial gain. So you don’t necessarily have to invest in a sex worker or Dominatrix, in order to experience it. Not to mention organised non-profiting fetish parties, where likeminded people meet up, from all walks of life. Saying that, I think Dominatrices and sex workers seem to suit married men because it is professional, discrete and without any emotional attachments.



I won't pick on you either, unless you like that sort of thing.
Kidding, but on a more serious note, xrampage101, I can tell you're clearly intelligent, congenial and you have a firm grasp of what you want/ what you desire.
I will tell you that myself personally have never in my life charged for services, ever. I do it only for the enjoyment of it BUT I am very selective of my partners. There is definitely a give and take. If a sub decides to give me tokens/ gifts out of his own generosity/discretion, those are more than well received. I cherish them and it makes me know he is thinking of me, same as any other human female. However if a sub ever gave me money in exchange for services, I'll be honest, not only will I refuse it but I would be mortified. But I do not engage with this premise. The intent is always in the context of relationship/friendship.
I am not sure what your focal point is with monetary tribute. I have received the wings of a butterfly as tribute, books, toys for U/us to use, shoes (my obsession), tools (yes, powertools to make our dungeon toys, I did that) and sometimes his laying at my feet is enough. In fact, I remember one time my sub fell asleep while at my feet and it was such a sweet and happy moment I captured it on camera and it was his token to me.
I am sorry you went through bad experiences and you're right, some women just use this lifestyle to make money but others do desire a long term relationship, and yes, one where both parties feel cherished.
I am a sadist and I had my sadistic ways with him and left my marks, but it was far, far more than that which is why anything less in context of D/s is generic to me. However if a woman works, suddenly it doesn't have to turn into a "well you pay your way lady" kind of relationship. If you are both local, no one needs to travel or buy food then sure but otherwise I can't imagine myself rolling out of bed to dom a guy who will even debate with me who buys the toys. Does that make sense?

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 9:55:45 AM   
NookieNotes


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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

You have extracted a lot of my points. I may have to number and condense your answers, please don’t take offence. Here goes:

1. I ‘respond’, so therefore I ‘react’.


I'm a word geek there are nuances.

re·act
rēˈakt/
verb: react; 3rd person present: reacts; past tense: reacted; past participle: reacted; gerund or present participle: reacting

respond or behave in a particular way in response to something.

respond with hostility, opposition, or a contrary course of action to. <--- This is the meaning I was using.

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2. I agree, you aren’t naïve, and you know full well, there are women out there who make money out of male subs and their fantasies. What I find fascinating, most female subs are an exception to the rule.


I never said there was not.

3. Quote: ‘in some cases it is. I do not charge to dominate anyone. Well, I do. I charge’. So Their time. Entrance to their mind. Their
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affection and devotion. Their obedience. Sex. Laughter. Tokens and gifts. Challenges.’ So, what I get out of my relationships is more than money’.

Answer: If they weren’t paying you, would you still enjoy doing it?


Well, if you mean if they weren't paying me money? Yes. Because I don't accept money.

Do you mean if I did not get those things: Time, adoration, obedience, mind, etc? No. I wouldn't bother. That's what makes it all worthwhile to me.

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4. Celebrity sportsman deserve every penny because they have applied themselves physically, competed in numerous completions and contributed to their chosen sport or profession. If they still enjoy it, well done.


And you feel that many pro-dommes do not do this? They do not apply themselves physically? Have you ever beat someone for 45+ minutes? Or fucked? I'm sure you have.

And I know pro-dommes who do regularly contribute to their profession. As far as competition, there are also many competitions across the country that pros and amateurs alike compete in. Not to mention the continuing education.

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5. I know people who enjoy going to work, but if they were to win the lottery tomorrow, would they be back after Christmas? I very much doubt it. Money is the main attraction and motivation. The ability to enjoy one's job is an added bonus.


Your point being? I don't see how this has anything to do with my point.

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6. Yes, this world is horrible.


That is our fundamental disagreement.

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9. Quote: ‘You have a right to nothing from anyone. To expect that a woman should change how she wishes to live her life for your morals and viewpoints is just silly’. Answer: I don’t demand anything from anyone. At the same time, I still think people should follow a moral code. Yes, it's down to the individual.


You think they should follow YOUR moral code.

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10. Quote: ‘No, it doesn't. Those women have nothing to do with anyone except themselves’.
Answer: It does give women a bad name. You go on any forum, website and talk about financial Dommes, and you will see many negative messages about women exploiting men through financial means. Some people call them cash cows.


That has nothing to do with other women. Does it give your mother a bad name? No? Ok, then. You cannot lump an entire group in with one assumption. Logically, it is incorrect.

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11. Quote: ‘I have been approached by a man who alternately begs for me to pay attention him, claims to love me, and calls me a dirty filthy whore in a series of messages, going back and forth randomly, without a further response from me’.
Answer: That just goes to show how ignorant that sub is by calling you a filthy whore. In your defence, you do explain about your intentions and services you offer, regarding money. He obviously has psychological issues.


LOL! No, I don't say anything about money on my profile. Nor have I said anything about money to him. Why would I? There is no reason to bring up money, since I don't accept it. Unless they bring up money for a service and I decline.

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12. Quote: ‘You are being rude and inconsiderate suggesting that some women behaving badly reflect on all women. And another fallacious argument. It's called sociation fallacy, and is a sub-set of the appeal to emotion fallacy’.
Answer: In reality, it does have an impact on what men think of women, especially in this community. Just read some of their profiles. If I have been rude indirectly, please accept my apology. However, calling everything a fallacy because you happen to disagree with some else’s point of view, doesn’t make it a fallacy. Only in your eyes.


Firstly, that should have said "association fallacy." My apologies.

Do you understand that fallacy has a particular connotation in the way I'm using it? I could say your arguments are fallacious even if I agree with them, which I often do, when I spot it. Poor logic is always poor logic.

In this particular case, what I'm saying is that just because some people believe it does not make it a fact.

You believe that a woman behaving badly reflects on me. I do not. I am not that woman. I hold no responsibility for her actions.

Just as you hold no responsibility for the actions of other men, so therefore, I do not paint you with the same brush. You are an individual. Me saying you are just like other men, even 500 women saying you are just like other men, would not make it so.

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14. Quote: "I'm not a murderer; some of my best friends are alive —Sean Lock’. Answer: Hate is a very strong overpowering word. I don’t personally hate financial Dommes and definitely don’t hate you. How can you hate someone with a cute smile like yours? I just don’t support financial Domme related activities.


Well, it's one thing to not support them. It's another thing to cast aspersions on their reasons.

I would never take money for dominating anyone. It would not feel right to me. But I have no reason to think I have a right to judge that behavior.

Thank you for the compliment on my smile. *smiles*

[quote}15. Quote: Liking or even loving someone from a group isn't proof that you don't have prejudices toward that group. It's not even proof that you aren't actively oppressing that group. You can have a black friend and still hold ugly prejudices toward black people. You can love your wife and still think women are just dumber than men. The friend argument is a bad one’.
Answer: I don’t have any prejudices towards women. I must admit, I don’t have friends coming out of my ears, but I am proud to have some female friends. In fact, I admire women raising kids in one parent families and especially women competing with men in a male dominated industry and proving them wrong. Those women are my heroes. The fact I don’t agree with financial domination, doesn’t make me a women hater. Its bit like a black man playing the race card, when he doesn't get his own way and calling you a racist.

You brought it up. I'm just pointing out the logic.

I know plenty of misogynists that I actually like. They like me, too. Doesn't mean they are not misogynistic.

{quote]16. Quote: ‘LOL! And if males pretending to be female dommes stopped providing wank fantasies to other men once in a while, that would probably eliminate 90% of the male profiles on this site, as they would go elsewhere to find their kinks’. Answer: I can’t fault your logic, good point well made.

Thank you.

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17. Quote: ‘So what? I don't like guys who come into my inbox and order me to "kneel, slave." But I also don't let them affect my life negatively’. Answer: Those guys sound like time wasters.


Meh. Sometimes they amuse me.

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18. Quote: ‘So, here's the thing. You may be a great guy. I don't know you. I am simply responding to your words, and your argumentative presentation. This is truly nothing personal for e. If you are a jerk, you are free to be one, if you are not, you are free to take my words with a grain of salt, or with the weight that this might be how you come off to people without personal knowledge bias’. And that could be affecting who you used to meet and connect with on sites like this. *shrugs*’
Answer: You probably think I am a jerk, but I will still respect your opinion and more than happy to debate with you.


Nah. I don't know you well enough to think you're a jerk. I just think your presentation of your thoughts is logically faulty.

Nothing more.

*grins*

Thank you for giving me a good reason to procrastinate on some writing I'm doing today. LOL!


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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 10:55:16 AM   
xrampage101


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Status: offline 		Thank you for the positive and kind words, they mean a lot to me. I would love for you to pick on me in that sense (I should be so lucky), you are a very attractive lady with a beautiful personality and an intelligent mind to go with it. I'm afraid, I've been on the ugly pills for far too long lol I wouldn’t describe myself as intelligent, I think ‘mindless idiot’ best suits my overall persona. Saying that, I hope my congeniality is my strongest point.

Being sexually inactive isn’t easy, but it’s down to patience, determination and will power. It’s similar to quitting smoking. However, the cravings never go away completely. I still have my urges, but I feel I am in control. My fetish use to be my weakness. I am striving for a life of devoted celibacy and focus my time helping others. Unfortunately, there is a tough long journey ahead, but if you put your mind on anything, you end up surprising yourself in more ways than one. Helping yourself is an endless void, which can never be fulfilled. A pit without an end.

You should be extremely proud of yourself for not charging for your time. I don’t quite understand how a financial Domme can say; I enjoy what I do, but I must charge an hourly or one off fee to dominate men. What is that person's true motivation? Remove the money cycle, what else is left? Theoretically, if two consensual adults want to participate in BDSM related activites, surely each other's company should be the ultimate attraction. A money transaction shouldn't be applicable, unless you aren’t into it! I see so many women who have respected careers and an income outside this community, capitalising on male fetishes through financial gain. Perhaps they look down on guys like us, as mentally weak, abnormal and one of life’s losers because we have a fetish and prefer being dominated by a female. Who knows.

I don’t see a problem with men buying gifts because it denotes appreciation, affection and forms the basis and nucleus for a loving relationship. That has to be voluntary and straight from the heart. I like your story about the slave at your feet, I can identify with the highly charged emotional connection and inner bond. A very lucky chap in deed.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 11:19:41 AM   
GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: xrampage101

Thank you for the positive and kind words, they mean a lot to me. I would love for you to pick on me in that sense (I should be so lucky), you are a very attractive lady with a beautiful personality and an intelligent mind to go with it. I'm afraid, I've been on the ugly pills for far too long lol I wouldn’t describe myself as intelligent, I think ‘mindless idiot’ best suits my overall persona. Saying that, I hope my congeniality is my strongest point.

Being sexually inactive isn’t easy, but it’s down to patience, determination and will power. It’s similar to quitting smoking. However, the cravings never go away completely. I still have my urges, but I feel I am in control. My fetish use to be my weakness. I am striving for a life of devoted celibacy and focus my time helping others. Unfortunately, there is a tough long journey ahead, but if you put your mind on anything, you end up surprising yourself in more ways than one. Helping yourself is an endless void, which can never be fulfilled. A pit without an end.

You should be extremely proud of yourself for not charging for your time. I don’t quite understand how a financial Domme can say; I enjoy what I do, but I must charge an hourly or one off fee to dominate men. What is that person's true motivation? Remove the money cycle, what else is left? Theoretically, if two consensual adults want to participate in BDSM related activites, surely each other's company should be the ultimate attraction. A money transaction shouldn't be applicable, unless you aren’t into it! I see so many women who have respected careers and an income outside this community, capitalising on male fetishes through financial gain. Perhaps they look down on guys like us, as mentally weak, abnormal and one of life’s losers because we have a fetish and prefer being dominated by a female. Who knows.

I don’t see a problem with men buying gifts because it denotes appreciation, affection and forms the basis and nucleus for a loving relationship. That has to be voluntary and straight from the heart. I like your story about the slave at your feet, I can identify with the highly charged emotional connection and inner bond. A very lucky chap in deed.



LOL, you are sweet however my eye twitched on the "beautiful personality" part. Haha, that is definitely debatable and depends on who you ask. I can be fickle and I like doing things on my terms. There are elements of selfishness in such regard. In fact, I will give you an alternate way of thinking of things. The ProDommes in a sense are kinder than myself, yes to married men or virgins who are not quite sure how to find/approach or Domme or what it all entails. And some just want their kinky tastes satisfied but are not submissive. The ProDommes are simplifying this search for many and allowing them to have the Barbarella BDSM experience of their dreams. And because it is well rehearsed, it is seamless, there are no "oh darn it, I left the lube in the car, geez it's been a while" moments, LOL. They are essentially selling the fantasy and making it real for others. So in such regard I think of them as kinder than myself because I don't share that part of my life quite so easily. To add, it seems you cannot reconcile yourself with the "humiliation" aspect of it and you're more into the "discipline through service" aspect. Humiliation/degradation and such is a whole other realm in itself.
Like Nookie said, different strokes, different folks.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 11:29:03 AM   
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Like Nookie said, different strokes, different folks.


That's true, GM. Whatever kind of domme you are, you will always have your knockers.

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RE: Tribute for a FLR? - 12/20/2014 11:42:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

The ProDommes are simplifying this search for many and allowing them to have the Barbarella BDSM experience of their dreams. And because it is well rehearsed, it is seamless, there are no "oh darn it, I left the lube in the car, geez it's been a while" moments, LOL. They are essentially selling the fantasy and making it real for others.


Yes, including the men who do not have the social skills to interact with women who demand a relationship as payment.

Or who don't have the time.

Or who don't have the looks (still somewhat of an issue).

Or, as a friend of mine has dealt with, a man who pays her because he can't imagine another woman wanting to look at his body which is about 50% covered with psoriasis.

Pro-dommes put all men on equal footing. If you can pay, and follow the rules, you can play. I am so much more mercurial than that. I want exactly what I want, which changes from day to day and person to person.

Throwing some money at the situation will not make it better. LOL! In fact, as you said, it will make it incredibly worse.

I do not even accept gifts when I am upset. Why? Because I do not want to reward the idea that mental pain can be fixed with things. Mental anguish can only be fixed with thought and consideration. Understanding of the hurt, and steps taken to make it better, usually over time.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Like Nookie said, different strokes, different folks.


That's true, GM. Whatever kind of domme you are, you will always have your knockers.


Hey now! Talking about a lady's knockers. For shame!

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