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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What is happening in Sydney? (12/19/2014 10:32:13 AM)
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
"[honour killings] predates the Islamic faith, and is by no means unique to Muslim cultures; also, there is little evidence of honour crime occurring in other Muslim countries such as Indonesia. The extent of cultures following the 'honour ethic' is more geographical than ideological, comprising the Indian subcontinent, the Middle East, Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean regions."
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/outside.html
"Tahira Shaid Khan, a professor of women's issues at Aga Khan University, notes that there is nothing in the Qur'an that permits or sanctions honor killings.[59] Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#By_region
It appears that there is little or no basis for your belief that somehow Islam is responsible for 'honour killings'.
I followed your link Tweak and I honestly don't agree with it at all.
Yes, honour killings predate Islam, that is true.
But.... since the emergence of Islam, there aren't many other 'honour killings' that actually take place outside of that general culture.
And indeed, I haven't seen any other 'honour killings' where said action is generally supported by those within it - hence the deafening silence that surrounds such events.
It also happens everywhere where Islamics congregate - including Europe and the UK, not just the middle east.
As for the Qur'an not having anything within (according to your first link), they must have missed these bits -
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has explained to us the reasons for which it becomes permissible to shed this blood. He said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim who bears witness that there is no god but Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases: a life for a life (murder), zina of one of who is previously-married (adultery), and the one who changes his religion and forsakes the jamaa’ah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6370) and Muslim (3175)....
...Even if we assume that she deserves to be executed (if she was previously-married and committed zina), no one should do that but the ruler – as stated above. Moreover, in many cases killing is done on the basis of accusations and speculation, without proving whether the immoral action even took place.
Source: http://islamqa.info/en/101972 [Ruling on honour killings]
The mistreatment of women is endemic within Islam, not so much in other faiths.
And over the last couple of centuries or so, Islamic-based faiths do seem to be the only ones still allowing such barbaric behaviour as part of the culture regardless of what it says in their holy book.
And taken from your second link -
Every year in the United Kingdom (UK), officials estimate that at least a dozen women are victims of honor killings, almost exclusively within Asian and Middle Eastern families. Often, cases cannot be resolved due to the unwillingness of family, relatives and communities to testify. A 2006 BBC poll for the Asian network in the UK found that one in ten of the 500 young Asians polled said that they could condone the killing of someone who dishonored their family.
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In 2010, Britain saw a 47% rise of honor-related crimes. Data from police agencies in the UK report 2283 cases in 2010, and an estimated of 500 more from jurisdictions that did not provide reports. These "honor-related crimes" also include house arrests and other parental punishments. Most of the attacks were conducted in cities that had high immigrant populations.
When you read down the page, it appears that most of these 'honour killings' do appear to occur in areas of high Islamic immigrant populations.
That would seem to debunk your comment that the extent of such activity is geographical rather than ideological.
For your quote: "Khan instead blames it on attitudes (across different classes, ethnic and religious groups) that view women as property with no rights of their own as the motivation for honor killings", that would indeed be the general philosophy of Islamic-based religions.
Again, this would indeed be the reasoning why Islamic-based religions are in fact the major responsibility of honour killings.
As for what happened in Sidney?
I think it was a lone wolf, not any sort of terrorist per se.
He had a history of mental problems and faced a whole string of charges that had more than their fair share of sexual-based accusations.
Personally, in his warped mind, I think he latched onto IS as a means to get his name heard and he was aiming for something akin to 'suicide by cop' to avoid going to court.
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