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ORIGINAL: DemonicGynoid

I guess my biggest worry is if im called a troll, then any other thread I make, no matter how good, will be assumed to be a troll thread.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I would rather have a society of bystanders than one of vigilantes. The corruption and incompetence among police can be no greater then the same among the rest of us. In fact with any training at all they are better prepared to protect us then we ourselves even with all the faults.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

vigilantes does not mean the same as vigilant.

Not even close.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I would advocate some serious changes in how police are trained - and equipped - as well as some major changes in various laws. But I don't know of anyone calling for the end of police protection for society.

OP sounds a bit trollish...

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I would advocate some serious changes in how police are trained - and equipped - as well as some major changes in various laws. But I don't know of anyone calling for the end of police protection for society.

OP sounds a bit trollish...

I think the problems stem from the nature of a professional pics force. I think the solution is to not have professional police forces.

Professional police forces have lots of problems. But the main one they have is and us against them mentality. I don't think you can get rid of the us against them mentality. People adopt us against them whenever you separate out a group of people and call them a group. The army looks down on the navy, the infantry looks down on the rest of the army, the rangers look down on the rest of the infantry and delta looks down on the rangers. The Seahawks kook down on the 49ers, and the NY Yankees look down on all of baseball. It's why you guys aren't content to disagree with one another, you have to look down on people you disagree with and consider them the enemy, too.

It's team-ism. And it's human nature. There are three types of people:

1. Those who are oblivious to team-ism being in their nature. This is mist people, and they go through life never really seeing that they join so many teams.

2. Those who understand and embrace team-ism.

3. Those who understand team-ism and resist joining arbitrary teams.

So the root problem has nothing to do with the police. You're going to get team-ism whenever you create a team. The thing to do, then, is to make the team as inclusive as possible. So: what team do we have that includes almost all citizens, and that could reveals the us against them debate as everybody against the criminals? Yeah, you guessed it in one--the militia.

Policing was, after all, a core function of the militia. I can't help but notice that a sheriff's power of Posse Comitatus traditionally allowed for him to call out a broader age range of people than even served in the militia. They are the most inclusive teams we have ever had in the US.

So it seems to me that you can use the us against them mentality by co-opting it, and returning to an age where law enforcement is everybody's responsibility. You enroll everyone in the militia, you give every jurisdiction a sheriff whose main functions will be training and investigative, and then you use a duty roster system for calling out portions of the militia on a daily/weekly/whatever basis to do the community policing. Everything that uniformed officers currently do becomes a militia function, and everything detectives currently do remains a function of a small, plain clothes investigative force that has no powers of arrest--arrests are performed by the sheriff with a posse.

Yeah, it sounds radical and anachronistic, but the reason it worked is because it puts everybody on the same team.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee


So the root problem has nothing to do with the police. You're going to get team-ism whenever you create a team. The thing to do, then, is to make the team as inclusive as possible. So: what team do we have that includes almost all citizens, and that could reveals the us against them debate as everybody against the criminals? Yeah, you guessed it in one--the militia.

Policing was, after all, a core function of the militia. I can't help but notice that a sheriff's power of Posse Comitatus traditionally allowed for him to call out a broader age range of people than even served in the militia. They are the most inclusive teams we have ever had in the US.

So it seems to me that you can use the us against them mentality by co-opting it, and returning to an age where law enforcement is everybody's responsibility. You enroll everyone in the militia, you give every jurisdiction a sheriff whose main functions will be training and investigative, and then you use a duty roster system for calling out portions of the militia on a daily/weekly/whatever basis to do the community policing. Everything that uniformed officers currently do becomes a militia function, and everything detectives currently do remains a function of a small, plain clothes investigative force that has no powers of arrest--arrests are performed by the sheriff with a posse.

Yeah, it sounds radical and anachronistic, but the reason it worked is because it puts everybody on the same team.

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the reason it worked is because it puts everybody on the same team.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

And further, policing was not a function of the militia.

She's thinking of Tombstone, or Dodge City, and has definitely seen too many Wyatt Earp movies.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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the reason it worked is because it puts everybody on the same team.

If that system worked, I wonder why society discarded it.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you want to equate "mob" with "militia," and if that was the intent behind the 2nd Amendment, then repeal it tomorrow morning.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you want to equate "mob" with "militia," and if that was the intent behind the 2nd Amendment, then repeal it tomorrow morning.

No. That was not what I wanted to equate but you have fun with that straw man. I'm done with you.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: DemonicGynoid

Apparently to some "millitia" is the same as "redneck racists with guns" while to me a good millitia would be "a group of people who look out for each and protect their neighborhood." with the gund mostly just being for the intimidation factor, though still be used as a last resort.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: DemonicGynoid

Apparently to some "millitia" is the same as "redneck racists with guns" while to me a good millitia would be "a group of people who look out for each and protect their neighborhood." with the guns mostly just being for the intimidation factor, though still be used as a last resort.

Now "militia" means "viligantes"?

Same answer.