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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 3:33:59 PM   
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The most violent religion on Earth is any that have people in them. Those who are trying to win elections or ratings by telling us scary Muslim stories are playing a dangerous game. They are calling into question the basic humanity of others, making it easier for us to tolerate their persecution. They’ll get as far as our ignorance and cowardice will allow.

No matter what a religion teaches, some bloody-minded believers will twist it to justify their own dark urges. Religion does what people tell it to do. There is a clear connection between religion and violence – human beings.

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/just-enough-city/2013/may/1/which-religion-most-violent/#ixzz3ON1ABFD8


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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 3:38:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

That says nothing about most -- just notable successes.

Which religion is the most violent?


The analysis presents some challenges. Should the answer be based purely on a body count? Professor Juan Cole casually estimates that Christians chalked up roughly 50 times more violent deaths than Muslims across the past century. That, however, doesn’t necessarily prove that Christianity is more violent. It just demonstrates a high level of efficiency. To answer the question we need more than a raw death toll.

When measuring violence, should grievances count as mitigating factors? When a Christian Lebanese militia spent two days in a besieged Palestinian refugee camp raping and slaughtering civilians under Israeli supervision, ought they be excused by the previous Muslim slaughter that inspired it? And should the Muslim slaughter be excused by the Christian slaughter that inspired it? Who is guiltier, the chicken or the egg?

A look at each religion’s holy books won’t provide much guidance. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists will all point out the ways their religion embraces compassion, humility, and humanity. They will all be correct. Their detractors will point out the ways their foundation texts promote violence. They will also be correct.

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/just-enough-city/2013/may/1/which-religion-most-violent/#ixzz3OMyeyfUf



It isn't necessarily the body count that is important.
It is the erstwhile fear that is injected into the society/community that the attacks cause.

Take this one instance in France.
A satirical magazine was hit, 14 killed initially.
There are many traffic incidents that cause more deaths than this.
But because it was an ISLAMIC terrorist, it has raised the general fear level another order of magnitude.
Where did the fear go??
All over the US, Europe and the UK - within seconds, as soon as it became newsworthy.
Now all those countries are yapping away trying to work out how to stop the next one.

All this fear and getting government leaders and security services jumping hoops.
All caused by..... just *3* people attacking a freekin' magazine!!
A Jihadist's wet dream come true.


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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 3:44:40 PM   
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You talk like all terrorism is islamic. it ain't.

But hey! If you curl up your cum towel and tuck one end under, maybe you can get it to look like a turban while you're wanking on it.

Somebody told you the Mooslims were coming, and you grabbed your dick.


Chronological Summary of Terrorist Incidents in the United States 1980-2005
Date Location Incident Type
Perpetrator Killed Injured
1/7/1980 San Juan, PR Pipe Bombing Anti-Communist Alliance
1/13/1980 New York, NY Bombing Omega 7 4
1/13/1980 Miami, FL Bombing Omega 7
1/19/1980 San Juan, PR Bombing Omega 7
3/12/1980 Hato Rey, PR Armed Assault Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros
3/15/1980 Chicago, IL Hostile Takeovers (2) Armed Forces of National Liberation
3/17/1980 New York, NY Bombing Croatian Freedom Fighters 3
3/25/1980 New York, NY Attempted Bombing Omega 7
4/19/1980 Chattanooga, TN Shooting Justice Knights of the Ku Klux Klan 4
4/30/1980 New York, NY Assault Revolutionary Communist Party
6/3/1980 Washington, DC Bombing Croatian Freedom Fighters
6/3/1980 New York, NY Bombing Croatian Freedom Fighters
7/14/1980 Dorato, PR Multiple Bombings (2) Organization of Volunteers for the
San Juan, PR Puerto Rico Revolution
7/14/1980 Ponce, PR Multiple Arsons (2) Organization of Volunteers for the
Mayaguez, PR Puerto Rico Revolution
7/22/1980 Hato Rey, PR Multiple Bombings (4) Revolutionary Commandos of the People,
Santurce, PR Ready and at War
Rio Piedras, PR
8/20/1980 Berkeley, CA Pipe Bombing Iranian Free Army 2
9/11/1980 New York, NY Shooting Omega 7 1
10/7/1980 New York, NY Attempted Bombing International Committee Against Nazism
10/12/1980 New York, NY Bombing Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide 4
10/12/1980 Hollywood, CA Bombing Justice Commandos of the Armenian Genocide 1
10/14/1980 Fort Collins, CO Shooting Libyan Revolutionary Committee 1
12/21/1980 New York, NY Pipe Bombing Armed Forces of Popular Resistance
12/30/1980 Hialeah, FL Attempted Bombing Omega 7
1/8/1981 Santurce, PR Multiple IncendiaryBombings (3) People’s Revolutionary Commandos
Ponce, PR
Rio Piedras, PR
1/12/1981 San Juan, PR Bombing Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros
1/23/1981 New York City, NY Bombing Croatian Freedom Fighters
1/26/1981 San Francisco, CA Bombing Jewish Defense League/American Revenge
Committee
2/2/1981 Los Angeles, CA Attempted Bombing 3-Oct
2/9/1981 Eugene, OR Assault Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade
2/22/1981 Hollywood, CA Bombing Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation
of Armenia
3/15/1981 San Juan, PR Attempted Bombing Armed Forces of Popular Resistance
4/21/1981 Santurce, PR Robbery Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros
4/27/1981 Washington, DC Incendiary Bombing Iranian Patriotic Army
5/16-18/81 New York City, NY Multiple Bombings (5) Puerto Rican Armed Resistance 1
6/25/1981 Torrance, CA Incendiary Bombing Jewish Defenders
6/26/1981 Los Angeles, CA Bombing June 9 Organization
7/30/1981 New York City, NY Hostile Takeover Libyan Students
8/7/1981 Washington, DC Hostile Takeover People’s Mujahedin Organization


Or how about the UK?

1970s

1971, 12 January: Two bombs exploded at the house of government minister Robert Carr. This attack was one of 25 carried out by the Angry Brigade between August 1970 and August 1971. The Bomb Squad was established at Scotland Yard in January 1971 to target the group, and they were apprehended in August of that year.[1][2]
1971, 31 October: A bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower in London causing extensive damage but no injuries. The "Kilburn Battalion" of the IRA claimed responsibility for the explosion.[3]
1972, 22 February: The Official Irish Republican Army killed seven civilians in the Aldershot bombing.
1972, 19 September: The group Black September posted a letter bomb to the Israeli embassy in London killing an Israeli diplomat.[4]
1973: The Provisional IRA exploded a car bomb in the street outside the Old Bailey. A shard of glass is preserved as a reminder, embedded in the wall at the top of the main stairs.
1973, 10 September: The Provisional IRA set off bombs at London's King's Cross Station and Euston Station injuring 21 people.[5]
1974, 4 February: Eight Soldiers and 4 civilians killed by the Provisional IRA in the M62 coach bombing.
1974, 17 June: The Provisional IRA planted a bomb which exploded at the Houses of Parliament, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.[6]
1974, 5 October: Guildford and Woolwich pub bombings by the Provisional IRA left 4 off duty soldiers and a civilian dead and 44 injured.
1974, 22 October: A bomb planted by the Provisional IRA explodes in London injuring 3 people.[7]
1974, 14 November: James Patrick McDade, Lieutenant in the Birmingham Battalion, of the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) was killed in a premature explosion whilst planting a bomb at the Coventry telephone exchange in 1974.
1974, 21 November: The Birmingham pub bombings, 21 killed and 182 injured.
1974, 18 December: Bomb planted by IRA in the run up to Christmas in one of Bristol's most popular shopping districts explodes injuring 17 people.[8]
1975, 8 August: IRA detonate a bomb in the Caterham Arms pub in Surrey, 400yds from the army barracks in Caterham. 25 injured and 8 seriously injured.[9]
1975, 27 November: IRA gunmen assassinated political activist and television personality Ross McWhirter.[10]
1975, 20 December: The Ulster Defence Association (UDA) bombed Biddy Mulligan's pub in the Kilburn area of London. Five people were injured. It said it bombed the pub because it was frequented by Irish republican sympathizers.[11]
1978, 17 December: Another bomb planted by the IRA aimed at the Christmas shoppers in Bristol takes out the department store Maggs injuring seven people.[12]
1979, 17 February: The Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) bombed two pubs frequented by Catholics in Glasgow, Scotland. Both pubs were wrecked and a number of people were wounded. It said it bombed the pubs because they were used for Irish republican fundraising.[13]
1979, 30 March: Airey Neave killed when a car bomb exploded under his car as he drove out of the Palace of Westminster car park. The Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) claimed responsibility for the killing.

1980s

1980 30 April: The Iranian Embassy siege where a six-man terrorist team held the building for six days until the hostages were rescued by a raid by the SAS which was broadcast live on TV.
1981 10 October: The IRA detonated a bomb outside the Chelsea Barracks, killing two and injuring 39.
1981 26 October: The IRA bombed a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street, killing Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer attempting to defuse it.
1982 14 March: The bombing of the London ANC offices (African National Congress), wounding one person who was living upstairs. General Johann Coetzee, former head of the South African security police, and seven other policemen, claimed responsibility for the attack and applied for amnesty before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Coetzee's accomplices were Craig Williamson, John McPherson, Roger Raven, Wybrand du Toit, John Adam, James Taylor and Eugene de Kock.[14]
1982 June: Abu Nidal killed the Israeli ambassador in London.[15]
1982 20 July: The Hyde Park and Regent's Park bombings in London by the IRA killed eleven members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets.
1982 30 November: A group called the Animal Rights Militia sent a letter bomb to Margaret Thatcher at 10 Downing Street, the device exploded injuring one person.[16]
1983 17 December: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See Harrods bombing)
1984 12 October: Brighton hotel bombing, 5 killed and several injured in an attempt by the IRA to kill Margaret Thatcher.
1988 21 December: Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie) blown up by a bomb in a suitcase while in flight over Scotland after taking off from Heathrow. 270 were killed.
1989 22 September: Deal barracks bombing: Eleven Royal Marines bandsmen killed and 22 injured when base in Deal, Kent, was bombed by the IRA.

1990s

1990 16 May: Wembley IRA detonated a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier.
1990 1 June: Lichfield City railway station 1 soldier killed and 2 injured in a shooting by the Provisional Irish Republican Army
1990 20 July: The IRA detonated a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building. Nobody was injured in the blast.[17]
1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
1991 7 February: The IRA launched three mortar shells at the rear garden of 10 Downing Street.
1991 18 February: A bomb exploded at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
1992 28 February: A bomb exploded at London Bridge station injuring 29 people.
1992 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb exploded in St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings, many of which were also badly damaged by the Bishopsgate bombing the following year. The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage, £200 million more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.[18]
1992 25 August: The IRA planted three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle, the latter causing the most damage as the castle housed the Shropshire Regimental Museum and many priceless historical artifacts were lost and damaged by fire and smoke. No fatalities or injuries were recorded.
1992 12 October: A device exploded in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.
1992 16 November: IRA planted a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but was spotted by security guards. The bomb was deactivated safely.
1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester, injuring 65 people.[19]
1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks. The first attack, on a gasworks, created a huge fireball but no casualties, but the second attack on Bridge Street killed two children and injured many other people. The attacks were conducted by the IRA.
1993 24 April: IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,[18] including the destruction of St Ethelburga's church, and serious damage to Liverpool St. Tube Station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so enormous, that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before. (see 1993 Bishopsgate bombing)
1994 July: A car-bomb outside the Israeli embassy in London injured fourteen.[15]
1994 27 July: A car-bomb outside Balfour House in London, home to a Jewish charity, injuring five.[15]
1994 13 August: 2.5 lbs of Semtex packed into a bicycle left outside Woolworths in Bognor Regis, exploded damaging 15 shops. A similar bomb found in nearby Brighton.[20]
1995 January: A bomb at a Sikh newspaper office in London, killing the editor.[21]
1996 9 February: The IRA bombed the South Quay area of London, killing two people. (see 1996 Docklands bombing)
1996 15 February: A 5 lb bomb placed in a telephone box disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
1996 18 February: An improvised high explosive device detonated prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.
1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500 kg bomb which heavily damaged the Arndale shopping centre and injured 206 people.
1997 March: The IRA exploded two bombs in relay boxes near Wilmslow railway station, thereby causing great disruption to rail and road services, in Wilmslow and the surrounding area.
1999 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively, killing 3 and injuring 129. Convicted of murder on 30 June 2000.

Refer also to the list of IRA terrorist incidents presented to Parliament between 1980 and 1994, listed halfway down the page here

2000s
Memorial in London's Hyde Park to the victims of the Islamist 7 July bombings.

2000 1 June: Real IRA bomb on Hammersmith Bridge, London
2000 20 September: Real IRA fired an RPG-22 at the MI6 HQ in London SIS Building
2001 4 March: The Real IRA detonated a car bomb outside the BBC's main news centre in London. One London Underground worker suffered deep cuts to his eye from flying glass and some damage was caused to the front of the building.[22] (See 2001 BBC bombing)
2001 16 April: Hendon post office bombed by the Real IRA.
2001 6 May: The Real IRA detonated a bomb in a London postal sorting office. One person was injured.[23]
2001 3 August: A Real IRA Bomb in Britain explodes in Ealing, West London, injuring seven people.[24] (See 2001 Ealing bombing)
2001 4 November: Real IRA car bomb in Birmingham[25]
2005 7 July: The 7 July 2005 London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, killing 56 people and injuring 700.
2007 January - February: The 2007 United Kingdom letter bombs
2007 30 June: 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
2008 22 May: 2008 Exeter attempted bombing by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.

2010-present

2013 29 April: Pavlo Lapshyn, a Ukrainian student, stabbed to death Birmingham resident Mohammed Saleem. He later admitted to police that he wished to start a "race war".[26]

2013 22 May: 2013 Woolwich attack, British Serviceman killed by two Islamist extremists armed with a handgun and a number of bladed articles such as machetes and butcher's knives. One of the men received a whole life order meaning he will never be let out of prison and the other acting as an assistant in the brutal and racist murder was jailed for a minimum of 45 years.[27]

2013 21 June: Pavlo Lapshyn detonated a home-made bomb outside a mosque in Walsall. 150 homes were evacuated but no person was injured.[26]

2013 28 June: Pavlo Lapshyn detonated another home-made bomb nearby a mosque in Wolverhampton.[26]

2013 12 July: Pavlo Lapshyn attacked a mosque in Tipton with an improvised explosive device containing 600 grams of 25 mm nails. He had planned his attack so that it would explode when worshippers were leaving the mosque after prayers. But he had not realised that Friday prayers were delayed that day, and so his intended victims were still inside. The bomb was so powerful that it embedded the nails in tree trunks up to 70 metres away from the explosion. Laphsyn was arrested on July 18.[26][28]

Prevented, failed or aborted attacks

These are attacks which could have constituted a threat to life had they worked or been large enough. Does not include attacks that were merely at a talking stage and were not actually in operation.

1985: Police found 10 grenades, seven petrol bombs and two detonators at the home of former Group Development Director for the British National Party Tony Lecomber after he was injured by a nailbomb that he was carrying to the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party. Convicted under the Explosive Substances Act 1883.
1993 23 October: In Reading, Berkshire, an IRA bomb exploded at a signal post near the railway station, some hours after 5 lb (2 kg) of Semtex was found in the toilets of the station. The resulting closure of the railway line and evacuation of the station caused travel chaos for several hours, but no-one was injured.
2000 1 June: Real IRA suspected of planting a high-explosive device attached to a girder under the south side of Hammersmith Bridge which detonated at 4.30am.[29]
2000 17 November: Police arrested Moinul Abedin. His Birmingham house contained bomb-making instructions, equipment, and traces of the explosive HTMD. A nearby lock-up rented by Abedin contained 100 kg of the chemical components of HTMD.[30]
2005 21 July: The 21 July 2005 London bombings, also conducted by four would-be suicide bombers on the public transport, whose bombs failed to detonate.
2006 28 September: Talbot Street bomb-making haul
2007 1 February: The 2007 Plot to behead a British Muslim soldier
2007 29 June: 2007 London car bombs.
2008 27 February: British police thwarted a suspected plot to kill Abdullah of Saudi Arabia during a state visit to Britain in the year 2007 a senior officer said.
2012 June: Five Muslims plotted to bomb an English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived late and were arrested when returning to Birmingham. A sixth was also convicted.[31]
2013 April: As part of Operation Pitsford 11 Muslims are jailed for a plotting terror attack involving suicide Bombers.[32]

Given the nature of counter-terrorism, successes in preventing terrorist attacks in the UK will not always come to light, or not be as heavily promoted as intelligence failures. However, during the Police advocacy of 90 day detention during the Terrorism Act 2006 they produced documents listing all the cases about which they could not go into details.[33]
Arrests, detentions, and other incidents related to the Terrorism Acts

These are cases where either the Terrorism Acts were invoked, or which the authorities alleged were terrorist in nature at the time. It includes plots that were foiled at an early stage before any materials were actually assembled as well as totally innocent suspects.

2003 5 January: Wood Green ricin plot, where police arrested six Algerian men accused of manufacturing ricin to use for a poison attack on the London underground. No poison was found,[34][35] and all men were acquitted of all terror charges, except for Kamel Bourgass who stabbed four police officers during his arrest in Manchester several days later. He was convicted of the murder of the officer he killed (the others he stabbed survived). He was also convicted of plotting to poison members of the public with ricin and other poisons. Two of the suspects in the plot were subsequently convicted of possessing false passports.[36]
2003 October: Andrew Rowe arrested in Dover after being detained as he entered the Channel Tunnel in France.[37] Convicted as a "global terrorist" and sentenced to 15 years in prison on 23 September 2005 on the basis of traces of explosives on a pair of socks and a code translation book.[38]
2004 30 March: Seven men arrested in West Sussex in possession of 600 kg of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, as part of Operation Crevice.
2004 3 August: Fourteen men arrested, but only eight charged in relation to the 2004 Financial buildings plot following the leak of the identity of an Al-Qaeda double-agent. The men possessed detailed plans for attacking financial buildings in the US, but no actual bomb-making equipment. Their leader, Dhiren Barot, pleaded guilty at his trial on 12 October 2006, and was imprisoned for life.
2004 24 September: Four men arrested in the Holiday Inn in Brent Cross trying to buy red mercury, a mythical substance which could purportedly be used to construct a nuclear bomb, from a newspaper reporter.[39] One man was released three days later,[40] while the other three were cleared at their trial on 25 July 2006,[41] during which the jury was told that "whether red mercury does or does not exist is irrelevant".[42]
2005 22 July: The Metropolitan Police killed Jean Charles de Menezes, shooting him seven times in the head at close range on a train over fears of increasingly suspicious behaviour as part of counter-terrorism measure Operation Kratos.
2005 28 July: David Mery arrested at Southwark tube station on suspicion of terrorism for wearing a jacket "too warm for the season" and carrying a bulky rucksack. All charges were dropped on 31 August.[43] It took four more years for the police to apologise for the "unlawful arrest, detention and search of [his] home".[44]
2005 28 September: Walter Wolfgang, who had been ejected from the Labour Party Conference, was briefly held under Terrorism Act 2000 powers when he attempted to go back in.
2005 22 December: Abu Bakr Mansha, described by his barrister as an "utter incompetent", was accused of planning to murder a British soldier who had served in the Iraq War, and convicted under the Terrorism Act for possessing a document that was "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism". He was sentenced to 6 years.
2006 2 June: The 2 June 2006 Forest Gate raid (on a house in Forest Gate) saw the arrest of two suspects, one who was shot in the shoulder, on charges of conspiring to release a chemical weapon in the form of suicide vest. The suspects were cleared of suspicion and released days later.
2006 10 August: The 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot to blow up 10 planes flying from Heathrow saw the arrest of 24 people from their homes in Britain, chaos at the airports as security measures were put in place and numerous high-level statements from US and UK officials. 8 people were put on trial, and 3 found guilty of conspiracy to murder. It was shown at their trial how bottles of liquid could be made into effective bombs. Since this incident, carriage of liquids in hand luggage on aircraft has been restricted to very small amounts. Rashid Rauf, suspected to have been the link between the UK plotters and Pakistan, escaped to Pakistan where he was arrested, but escaped again on his way to an extradition hearing. It was reported that he was killed in a US airstrike in North Waziristan in November 2008.[45]
2006 23 August: The 2006 Cheetham Hill terrorism arrests, where four men were arrested in the Manchester vicinity over the course of a month, and charged with financing terrorism.
2006 1 September: The Jameah Islameah School in Sussex was cordoned off for over three weeks and searched by a hundred police officers. Twelve men were arrested as part of the operation as they ate in a Chinese restaurant in London.
2007 1 November: Police searching for indecent images of children arrested British People's Party local organiser Martyn Gilleard in Goole, East Riding of Yorkshire under the Terrorism Act, over explosives found in his home. He was subsequently charged with possession of material for terrorist purposes and collection of information useful to a terrorist, and also pleaded guilty to possessing 39,000 indecent images. He was jailed for 16 years.[46][47][47][48][49]
2008 14 May: The Nottingham Two were arrested and detained for six days under the Terrorism Act 2000. A postgraduate student had downloaded a 140-page English translation of an Al-Qaeda document from the United States Department of Justice website for his PhD research on militant Islam. He sent it to a friend in the Modern Language department, for printing. Both were cleared of terrorism-related offences, but the friend was immediately re-arrested on immigration grounds.[50][51][52][53]
2008 14 September: Oxford graduate Stephen Clarke arrested after someone thought they saw him taking a photograph of a sealed man-hole cover outside the central public library in Manchester. He was arrested under section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000, held for 36 hours while his house and computer were searched, and then released without charge. No photographs of man-hole covers were found.[54]
2009 13 February: 9 men arrested on the M65 motorway under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000. 6 were kept hand-cuffed in the back of a van for seven hours. The remaining 3 were detained for six days. No one was charged. [7]
On 19 September 2011 West Midlands Police arrested a woman who lived in the Alum Rock area of Birmingham. Salma Kabal, 22, appeared in court on 16 November 2011 accused of failing to inform police that her husband, Ashik Ali, planned to kill himself. The official charge was that she “knew or believed might be of material assistance in securing the apprehension, prosecution or conviction of another person for an offence involving the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism".[55]
On 15 November 2011 West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit arrested four people at their homes who were from Sparkhill Birmingham, on suspicion of conducting terrorist offences. The four men appeared in court in Westminster London on 19 November 2011 charged with terrorism offences. They were named as Khobaib Hussain, Ishaaq Hussain and Shahid Kasam Khan, all 19, and Naweed Mahmood Ali, 24. They were charged with fundraising for terrorist purposes and for travelling to Pakistan for terrorist training.[56]
2012 28 June: The two men, aged 18 and 32, were arrested at separate residential addresses in east London, by officers from the Metropolitan Police Counter-Terrorism Command, at 7am on Thursday. It was believed the men were involved in a bomb plot concerning the London 2012 Summer Olympic Games. A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "At approximately 07:00 hrs today, Thursday June 28, officers from the counter-terrorism command arrested two men under the Terrorism Act 2000 on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism. The men were arrested at separate residential addresses in east London. Both addresses are currently being searched under the Terrorism Act 2000".[57]


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All this fear and getting government leaders and security services jumping hoops.
All caused by..... just *3* people attacking a freekin' magazine!!
A Jihadist's wet dream come true.


On that at least I agree with you. I think this could be 'inspiring' to more psychopathic fruitcakes. I don't have a good feeling about it.



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something everyone misses when the discussion is primarily centered on extreme acts of violence is the notion that islam and western civilization are incompatible with each other.

Europe is already well on it's way to becoming West Saudi Arabia, and the USA is next.


More fucking stupidity.

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So all the other terrorism doesn't phase us, but three Muslims does???

RUN!!!!!!! Mooooossssssssleeeemmmmmmmmsssssssssssss!!!!!!


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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It has been reported that the 18 year old who surrendered had already been convicted of terrorism in France, why was he out walking around?


Can someone tell him he is talking nonsense, since he has me on hide (allegedly)

The kid was at school all day yesterday and handed himself in to local police when he saw his name on social media.



First tell us which part is bullshit. That the kid surrendered or that he has a past criminal history?


Fuck you.... Try something radical like reading the news, or using google. I did, before I posted.

And yeah, Bamas claim is bullshit.

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You talk like all terrorism is islamic. it ain't.
<snip>

Quote all you like... but tell me where I said that.
I didn't.

What I did claim was that Islamics have single-handedly instilled more fear factor than anyone or anything else.
I have never said that all terrorism is Islamic - that's your words, not mine.

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Well, you're wrong.

There's a shit load of non-islamic terror.

The only difference is that you ignore it because it doesn't get you hard.

RUN!!!!! Mooooossssssssssleeeeeemmmmmmmsssssssssssssss!!!!!



It's not even a good massacre by French standards:

Paris massacre of 1961 17 October 1961 Paris 40 dead (government sources) ~200(opposition sources) Algerian demonstrators killed by French police

The Charonne Metro Station Massacre 8 February 1962 Charonne 9 dead CGT Trade union members and communists killed by French police

Ille-et-Vilaine massacre 19 June 1985 Ille-et-Vilaine 7 dead spree killing

Luxiol massacre 12 July 1989 Luxiol 14 dead spree killing, 3 family members and random inhabitants

Cuers massacre 24 September 1995 Cuers 16 dead spree killing, 3 family members and random inhabitants, perpetrator committed suicide.

Nanterre massacre 27 March 2002 Nanterre 9 dead (+19 injured) spree killing, perpetrator committed suicide.


...but no worries....no Moooossssssleeeemmmmmssssss!!!!!

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 3:55:25 PM   
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28.26 % of the world is Muslim http://www.muslimpopulation.com/World/





Wow

According to your source there are no Muslims in the Middle East

(Thats sarcasm directed at Professor Know-It-All btw)

(I dont expect many of you to get it)


You are two thick to read the report, or even a world map. Do you even know the difference between a continent and a country ?

The answer is no or you would have understood the report.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 4:00:15 PM   
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So all the other terrorism doesn't phase us, but three Muslims does???

RUN!!!!!!! Mooooossssssssleeeemmmmmmmmsssssssssssss!!!!!!




A lot of it is about the reaction to the atrocities rather than the atrocities themselves, to be sure - and that owes much to the level of fuss that's always kicked up when Islamism is in the mix and there is a mass squawking by politicians and the media. Kids who've taken guns into schools in the USA have killed more people than did these guys. But, still, it *was* an awful lot of mayhem. The terrorists were very 'efficient' and their target was qualitatively new and different.

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things relevant to the larger conversation.

from 1950 to 2010, European muslim population grew from 2% to 6%. many of the Nordic countries experienced growth from less than .1% to 3% or more. the rate of European growth of islam is greater than the worldwide growth.

here is a very detailed look at it: http://www.ijesd.org/papers/29-D438.pdf

if you think this doesn't matter---among a whole host of arguments against it, at least consider this: 80% of London Muslims (1.03 mil) Support the Islamic State

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/80-of-london-muslims-support-isis/

and this: 69% of French Muslims (4.14 million) back the Islamic State, poll finds

https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/11/01/69-of-french-muslims-4-14-million-back-the-islamic-state-poll-finds/

and if the overall numbers seem small, recall that places in Europe (France, Germany, Sweden to name a few) have multiple pockets of concentrated muslims where western law enforcement fears to tread, or in some cases, will not go.


ive said this elsewhere and it bears repeating here. its ironic that so many liberals support islam given that so many muslims would kill the liberals for their beliefs and lifestyles. the freedoms that liberals enjoy in the west, that is, a pluralistic and secular-friendly society, are not a part of the fabric of islam. the only things you have in common, are your hatreds for Christianity (and jews), western civilization, and more or less---freedom.


Try using a credible source about London. You are posting bullshit again.

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85% of Muslims, according to that link, are African, Asia, or North American.

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I have been accused of making light as well but there is a reason and a point.




Excpt you and I both know what you posted and deleted, so it isnt an accusation, its a fact.

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If you had checked the time stamps before you got on your high horse you would have seen where I edited the post before you posted yours... so I changed it before I knew what you were going to post NOT because of it.

Even then I posted this...
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Check the time stamp... you did not read it before posting ...but yes I did change it... I see the error of my ways now and then."

Freely admitting what I said could be interpreted in the wrong way.. what the hell do you want?

I said something like I had fun with my satire... you knew damn good and well I was making fun of tweak and her mentally ill crap... not the deaths of the 12... but that did not stop you.

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You of course have irrefutable proof of that, say starting around the time of recorded history and to the present day, and yes I can go on and on.

Or are we picking terrorism as a matter of two dates of which you choose so that your numbers work (and you are given an allie allie in free on our excursion into Iraq, the Nazis, Il Duce, and so on?


How about Allie Allie in free and set the goal post at around 1970 and on.....or so.


Then we have the christians killing the buddhists; Vietnam. Nope, aint got your numbers in there.

4 dead in ohio, 'republicans' against Americans.

Etc.




Muslin fundamentalist terrorism is world wide. Many of the things you listed in the U.S. were perpetrated by Christian racist assholes and the numbers dead just don't add up to the Muslims. Aside from OKC, Christian terrorism pales in comparison to Muslims acts of terror.

And Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Christian fundamentalist by any means.
The militia wouldn't associate with him either.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 4:21:17 PM   
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in an interview he gave to Time magazine in 2001:

Time: Are you religious?

McVeigh: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

Time: Do you believe in God?

McVeigh: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way [to] alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

- See more at: http://www.ethicsdaily.com/an-accurate-look-at-timothy-mcveighs-beliefs-cms-15532#sthash.XymnqDxx.dpuf

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If you had checked the time stamps before you got on your high horse you would have seen where I edited the post before you posted yours... so I changed it before I knew what you were going to post NOT because of it.

Even then I posted this...
"
Check the time stamp... you did not read it before posting ...but yes I did change it... I see the error of my ways now and then."

Freely admitting what I said could be interpreted in the wrong way.. what the hell do you want?

I said something like I had fun with my satire... you knew damn good and well I was making fun of tweak and her mentally ill crap... not the deaths of the 12... but that did not stop you.

Butch



Dont start the bullshit again. I explained about the timestamps once, That you choose to ignore it is your choice.

IF I DIDNT SEE YOUR DELETED POST<<<< HOW THE FUCK DO I KNOW WHAT YOU SAID ????

So you now claim you were having a dig at Tweakable and making fun of her, on a thread about murdered civillians. The very thing I posted about that you said I could not have seen. "I was just having some fun etc "

Bravo Butch.




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The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
Etc
Etc


I think what all those people have in common is that they liked killing people, El Chupa.

However, fortunately, there are lots more people in the world who don't like seeing people killed. This is why I always rejoice at seeing you post here, because I know that you are one of those people.


Something else they have in common is that they are taught they would be very handsomely rewarded by Allah for their killing

Taught from a very young age, in many cases

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/9/2015 4:27:09 PM   
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And Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Christian fundamentalist by any means.
The militia wouldn't associate with him either.


http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=us_domestic_terrorism_tmln&haitian_elite_2021_organizations=haitian_elite_2021_michigan_militia

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