DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
To the outside observer you are a liberal, Sanity.
You're in the some mould as Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and George Bush. All liberal interventionists with slightly varying motives.
Liberalism, Globalisation and the advent of science were ideas and practices wedded to one another, and it certainly isn't a conservative philosophy to think it's a good idea to invade foreign countries because people in those countries need to be changed (it's a liberal idea).
There are a few things that I believe that make me a liberal at heart, but none of them have anything to do with this thread.
Arguing that it's a good idea to apply reason when talking about these situations, that reason being the percentage of muslims involved in terrorist activities, and applying solutions accordingly, as opposed to suggesting they're all responsible; doesn't automatically render someone liberal or conservative, nor does reactionary politics mean someone is necessarily liberal or conservative. It simply makes you and some others unreasonable, and that certainly isn't the preserve of Liberalism or Conservatism.
I agree with a good portion of your post. It's interesting that you threw in the three people that you did whereas, on this side of the pond, you wouldn't find a liberal observer worth their salt that would claim Bush or Blair.
Your last paragraph ...
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Arguing that it's a good idea to apply reason when talking about these situations, that reason being the percentage of muslims involved in terrorist activities, and applying solutions accordingly, as opposed to suggesting they're all responsible; doesn't automatically render someone liberal or conservative, nor does reactionary politics mean someone is necessarily liberal or conservative. It simply makes you and some others unreasonable, and that certainly isn't the preserve of Liberalism or Conservatism.
... brought a couple of darker thoughts to mind.
The worst amongst them is that the terrorists are winning. I have never been one to pre-judge, based upon appearance but I know when I see a young, bearded man, wearing a burka, these days, my antennae go up. I start looking around, a little bit more.
While, intellectually I realize that not every Muslim is out to do damage, I think I'd be a fool to not acknowledge that there's a chance that something could happen. It saddens and abashes me that I have come to feel this way but it is a sign of the times in which we live.
Why do we suppose that is? True enough, lots of other religious practitioners don't have specific accoutrements that can identify them, neither are they involved in the heinous acts that seem to pervade the the extreme end of the Muslim spectrum.
The terrorists are winning.
I feel bad for the millions of people of Islamic faith that do not fall into the extremist category. I am sure that incidents like these make their lives a bit less comfortable (at some of the best of the bad times) all the way up to un-livable. Doesn't that almost behoove them (as some others have suggested) to be a bit more pro-active when it comes to identifying and eradicating some of the more extreme elements of their faith?
Yes I'm aware that a good portion can't because of where they live, etc. but on 11 SEP. 2001, I saw the Muslims, here, dancing for joy, when the towers fell. What are we infidels to think?
The terrorists are winning.
Michael
< Message edited by DaddySatyr -- 1/10/2015 5:06:28 AM >
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