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It is your assertion that makes no sense. I can only assume that you are projecting your own prejudices onto me

I fully understand that individuals will vary from one to another in what they think and what they believe, and what you do not understand or what you refuse to understand is that there is such a thing as the ideology itself as handed down through the ages, and that it is the ideology itself that is reprehensible, as well as the Islamists who embrace it - certainly not every individual Muslim on the planet

The title of your thread refers to 'Islam', not 'Islamists'. If you wanted to restrict this discussion to the beliefs of Islamists, rather than those of Muslims in general, you should have made that clear, Sanity.

But even if you do want to do that, you need to state what those beliefs of Islamists are, and with sources. These beliefs will, of course, include political and other views as well as those drawn from the Koran. Is your expertise up to this task, I'm wondering?

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ORIGINAL: Bhruic
My mistake... I read too quickly. Sorry.

I don't think it is about converting people to Islam. It is about punishing the infidels, Isn't it?

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I hold the ideology to no one

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

I hold the ideology to no one

More "dental meds"?

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But as I previously stated, an ideology isn't just a body of ideas (such as is contained in the Koran or the Bible), it's about the people who hold those ideas. And those people always hold ideas other than those of either the Koran or the Bible (Das Kapital, or anything written by Hayek or Freeman, etc, etc, etc). It makes no sense to talk about 'the ideology' without referring to the people who (you) claim to hold that ideology, too.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw the context. And it still makes no sense.

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See? Theres your second mistake.

Its not my thread.

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That wasnt the premise of the OP, just another try at moving the goal posts

Perhaps worthy of a separate thread though

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Saw the context. And it still makes no sense.

As long as you can get a good derail out of it, what does it matter

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See? Theres your second mistake.

Its not my thread.

My apologies. However, the thread's title does indeed refer to 'Islam' and when I made my central point your response was:

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That wasnt the premise of the OP, just another try at moving the goal posts

Perhaps worthy of a separate thread though

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Saw the context. And it still makes no sense.

As long as you can get a good derail out of it, what does it matter

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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Saw the context. And it still makes no sense.

As long as you can get a good derail out of it, what does it matter

"I hold the ideology to no one" does indeed make no sense, Sanity.

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Good war advice. Or what to do when assaulted--which doesn't essentially differ from your own view to shoot blindly and sort it out later.

Anything on the topic?

I do not think that I have ever advocated "spray and pray," which IS the Islamic culture's method of firearm use. Inshallah is not my method of accomplishing things either. Which is another issue with Islamic culture and their soldiers (which is actually the reason behind "spray and pray"."

I have even commented about Boko Haram possibly trying to bring back Janissaries.

I have used that verse to advocate for bringing back crucifixion for jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever you want to call them.

I have also stated that I believe that a large amount of jihadiscum/terrorists/RIFs/whatever will need to be killed before change is effected.

Shooting blindly? Not so much.

On topic? Islam's problem with blasphemy is the death written into its own scripture that ya'll want to ignore.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

What I mean by that is that I judge the ideology, rather than every individual who is enslaved by it

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

What I mean by that is that I judge the ideology, rather than every individual who is enslaved by it

So every believer is enslaved by it then ?

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And yet, you insist they're mired in the 7th century.

You'll have to decide which at some point, if you want to pretend logic.

Their ideology is mired in the seventh century

Its the ideology, stupid

Ah, so if that's the case - to re-ask the question that you dodged earlier - how would you explain the billions of Muslims who live amongst Christians and others and, rather than slay them, and stuff, sort of get on with them, live and work with them, and that kind of thing? Or would such people not, in fact, be 'Muslims' in your book, by definition?

Would Syria be a good example of one of these places?

Or Paris?

Or Manhattan.

I could go on all day...

Whatever happened to the Buddhists in Afghanistan, who built the massive ancient relics that the Taliban destroyed?

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Only in your tiny brain bruv.

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Saw the context. And it still makes no sense.

As long as you can get a good derail out of it, what does it matter

"I hold the ideology to no one" does indeed make no sense, Sanity.

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Only in your tiny brain bruv.

It is unfortunate how this forum is all trolls, all the time now

It could be a great place for rational discussion