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Moderator3 -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 7:52:00 PM)

I am quoting this so it is on the new page and seen.

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I am thanking everyone for not creating havoc when I couldn't explain what was going on.

I will not use the name and I don't want anyone else using the name. Most of you will know what I am talking about or can guess. If members don't know, I hope that we can contain this as I am not going to allow it. As they say in the second God Father movie, I will go to the mattress on this one. [:D]

From time to time we will have members that have some challenges in life and sometimes it will be clear that there is a problem. Some know what mental illness is first hand and it isn't something you want to poke a stick at. As a staff member I am supposed to serve and protect at moments and assure that I am in keeping with various standards, guidelines and laws even.

I will not sit idly by while someone that may or may not have a life challenge, is used to insult or strike fear. No member current or former will be used as a tool on this forum in a manner that would be hurtful to them or anyone else. The ill will not be abused here. I do hope I am making myself clear without the need to say too much. If members take part in the Feisty sections, that is their choice, they face what is allowed. No one will be brought into the Feisty section that did not wish to be here.

Most of you know the name I am talking about and if I see it used again, it will mean a very serious act of moderation on my part. Abuse of the ill will not be something I take lightly. I hope you understand and are willing to take a stand and not take part in a situation that amounts to that. I can take care of this forum, know all about socks and bad guys/gals and how to combat whatever this forum could meet with. If I can't, I have someone that can. I might have to pull some all nighters, but I will be here to make sure that things don't go too far.

So please, lets stick to the people here on the threads and not use those that may have an illness in a manner that would be abusive. It is time that this forum moved on.

Thank you





Hillwilliam -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 7:54:45 PM)


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And not one of them has suggested an establishment of Old Testament law or the establishment of a theocracy. .


A politically active person who used to work for me used to say exactly that.

He even went to far as to say that Aetheists should not be allowed to marry.

People who believe such things are more common than any of us wish to think.




BamaD -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 7:55:11 PM)


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Those who want to ban the wearing of religious items in public buildings, those who oppose posting copies of the Ten Commandments on personal lockers and notebook covers, those who want to stop someone from wearing a wristband in class that says "protect life" on it are those who you say don't exist.

How numerous or influential are these folks?


Does it matter? Or, does the US Constitution only apply to some?


To my mind, knowing whether these censor wannabes are numerous and/or influential is awfully handy for assessing how grave a threat they pose to the First Amendment.

Ymmv, of course.

If one school posting the Ten Commandments is a threat to the 1st then one school not allowing kids to wear a cross, or crucifix most assuredly is.
In fact the Ten Commandments is part of Christianity, Judaism, and in a slightly modified form Islam. Thus it is not favoring a specific religion.




dcnovice -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:17:11 PM)

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If school boards across the country are doing this on a regular basis, and it does happen often, you have to admit that the school board having a policy like this has influence on the local people.

Emphases mine.

Using a number two pencil, fill the blanks below with actual data.

Regular = _________________________

Often = ___________________________






BamaD -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:26:04 PM)


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If school boards across the country are doing this on a regular basis, and it does happen often, you have to admit that the school board having a policy like this has influence on the local people.

Emphases mine.

Using a number two pencil, fill the blanks below with actual data.

Regular = _________________________

Often = ___________________________




Again if once is enough for the Ten Commandments, once is enough for this.
Please look up the meaning of if.
You will find that it is not a declaration.
You will also not constitute the contradiction you want to see here.
It is a qualifying statement followed by a declarative one.




BamaD -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:31:22 PM)

FR

Does know one here understand the difference between fear and oppose?
Or is it just a given that conservatives are too primitive to be motivated by any higher response than fear?




Musicmystery -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:41:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Those who want to ban the wearing of religious items in public buildings, those who oppose posting copies of the Ten Commandments on personal lockers and notebook covers, those who want to stop someone from wearing a wristband in class that says "protect life" on it are those who you say don't exist.

How numerous or influential are these folks?


Does it matter? Or, does the US Constitution only apply to some?


To my mind, knowing whether these censor wannabes are numerous and/or influential is awfully handy for assessing how grave a threat they pose to the First Amendment.

Ymmv, of course.

If one school posting the Ten Commandments is a threat to the 1st then one school not allowing kids to wear a cross, or crucifix most assuredly is.
In fact the Ten Commandments is part of Christianity, Judaism, and in a slightly modified form Islam. Thus it is not favoring a specific religion.

1) What a bizarre excuse for an argument
2) It doesn't even make sense in its own context--so you've covered the Abrahamic religions (who can't agree on the text of the Ten Commandments)...but there are many more religions.




Tkman117 -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:43:17 PM)

Yeah, it's pretty much a given, glad you finally came to your senses [:D]




Musicmystery -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:44:00 PM)


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Everything to you is all or none, so you assume everything to everyone else is all or none.

It isn't.
Except for HillWilliam, maybe? After all, it WAS he that said this:
You folks on the Right may not agree with the author's lifestyle but I don't think you can disagree with his message.

I'm on the right, William and I've stated before...I don't care if he fucks he or she eats she...it doesn't bother me. I guess my inability to see it as an important issue will either get me sent to hell, into heaven straightaway or it won't matter.

As for the substance of his observations? Go back through any paper telling us Republicans or those on the right or Christians what we need to do and you'll find the same points.


If you'll look at the first couple posts of this thread, instead of jumping to assumptions about things I've never said, despite it being a favorite hobby of yours, you'll see that Hill and I don't necessarily see eye to eye on things.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:45:02 PM)

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If school boards across the country are doing this on a regular basis, and it does happen often, you have to admit that the school board having a policy like this has influence on the local people.

Emphases mine.

Using a number two pencil, fill the blanks below with actual data.

Regular = _________________________

Often = ___________________________

1. Eliza Cary, a 12-year-old in Nebraska, was reprimanded for wearing a cross necklace.

2. In 2010, a similar incident occurred in upstate New York, when 13-year-old Raymond Hosier wore a rosary to school as a reminder of his deceased brother.

3. A Sonoma State University student was ordered to remove a cross necklace by a supervisor who thought other students might find it offensive, in a case that prompted even one campus official to speculate that “political correctness got out of hand.”

Audrey Jarvis, 19, a liberal arts major at the northern California university, said she had no choice but to seek a “religious accommodation” in order to wear the cross.

4. When 8th-grader Christian Thompson was suspended last month for wearing a Catholic cross at Blocker Middle School, he was incredulous. But he shouldn't have been surprised. Schools across the nation have been expanding their lists of banned items and activities, and many of them prohibit the wearing of jewelry, hair styles and various kinds of clothing.

Most schools in America ban a select list of items, such as fluorescent pink hair or U.S. flag t-shirts, but officials at New District High School in San Fernando, California, prohibited everything that other students, teachers or parents might find objectionable. Considered the "most politically correct school in the nation," New District adopted a ban that is so broad that it led to a prohibition of clothing, jewelry and even hair. Consequently, the school board during its April meeting voted to shorten the school's name to New Dist High.

5. Here’s a tough question: Where might it break the law to wear a Star of David around your neck?

(Hint, the answer is not Nazi Germany.)

Give up? The correct response is the Township of East Pennsboro, Pa., where one man has a filed a formal complaint with the school district after his son’s teacher wore a Star of David necklace to class.

“[Students] are there to learn about education, not to learn about religion,” Ernest Perce, the offended parent told a local ABC affiliate.

6. The ACLU of Texas on Thursday requested that Brownsville Independent School District (BISD) disclose policies, procedures, and practices relating to students’ right to freely exercise their religious faith, including their right to wear religious attire at school.

The ACLU of Texas specifically asked for information about Rivera High School’s new policy that prohibits students from wearing rosaries or crosses visibly at school.

7. RNS) Arkansas State is removing a Christian cross decal from the back of its football helmets after a complaint that it violated separation of church and state, the university said Wednesday (Sept. 10).

Athletics director Terry Mohajir said he wanted to fight the decision because the decal was intended to honor former player Markel Owens and equipment manager Barry Weyer, who both died this year. However, Mohajir said he had little choice but to follow advice from the university’s legal counsel to remove or modify the symbol.

Rebecca Markert, an attorney for the Freedom From Religion Foundation, said her organization had been looking into the matter since hearing about the decals over the weekend but had not yet lodged a formal complaint with Arkansas State.

“That is great news,” Markert said of the school’s decision. “Putting religious imagery on public school property is unconstitutional.". (No...it is not)

Shall I continue?




dcnovice -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:48:32 PM)



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Again if once is enough for the Ten Commandments, once is enough for this.
Please look up the meaning of if.
You will find that it is not a declaration.
You will also not constitute the contradiction you want to see here.
It is a qualifying statement followed by a declarative one.


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You will also not constitute the contradiction you want to see here.

I have no Earthly idea what that sentence means.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 8:52:08 PM)

~FR~

My brother in law notes about political correctness that we talk nicer to each other and treat each other meaner.

He has a point.




BamaD -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 9:33:54 PM)


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Again if once is enough for the Ten Commandments, once is enough for this.
Please look up the meaning of if.
You will find that it is not a declaration.
You will also not constitute the contradiction you want to see here.
It is a qualifying statement followed by a declarative one.


[image]http://eagletotem.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Triple-facepalm.jpg[/image]

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You will also not constitute the contradiction you want to see here.

I have no Earthly idea what that sentence means.

You wanted to imply that I had said it was both routine and happened often.
I didn't say that. I said if it was routine. And I said it happened often there is no contradiction there. Sorry you couldn't comprehend it.




BamaD -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/17/2015 9:37:33 PM)


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Yeah, it's pretty much a given, glad you finally came to your senses [:D]

Then it is you who are delusional. I have known all along that many(note I did not say all) Libs are too arrogant to think we have a difference of opinion, and have to believe that anyone who disagrees with them has a fatal flaw. This is why they can't be reasoned with.




thishereboi -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 4:47:16 AM)


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Yeah, it's pretty much a given, glad you finally came to your senses [:D]

Then it is you who are delusional. I have known all along that many(note I did not say all) Libs are too arrogant to think we have a difference of opinion, and have to believe that anyone who disagrees with them has a fatal flaw. This is why they can't be reasoned with.


While I am guessing his was a tongue in cheek response, it's probably the most honest reply he has ever made.




Kirata -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 5:12:54 AM)


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While I am guessing his was a tongue in cheek response, it's probably the most honest reply he has ever made.

Nope and maybe (it's a close call).

We have respect, honour, integrity. But americans? All they do is hate, fight, complain, and fear. ~Tkman117

K.





Tkman117 -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 5:29:14 AM)

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Yeah, it's pretty much a given, glad you finally came to your senses [:D]

Then it is you who are delusional. I have known all along that many(note I did not say all) Libs are too arrogant to think we have a difference of opinion, and have to believe that anyone who disagrees with them has a fatal flaw. This is why they can't be reasoned with.


While I am guessing his was a tongue in cheek response, it's probably the most honest reply he has ever made.


Lol, well it's honest because it's true. If you look up the research, Cons are much more motivated by fear than libs are. If you're having trouble finding the research yourself just ask and I'd gladly link to it [:)]




Kirata -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 6:03:14 AM)


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Cons are much more motivated by fear than libs are.

Oh goody, let's play the research game.

In a 2009 study Haidt and two of his colleagues presented more than 8,000 people with a series of hypothetical actions. Among them: kick a dog in the head; discard a box of ballots to help your candidate win; publicly bet against a favorite sports team; curse your parents to their faces; and receive a blood transfusion from a child molester. Participants had to say whether they would do these deeds for money and, if so, for how much—$10? $1,000? $100,000? More? Liberals were reluctant to harm a living thing or act unfairly, even for $1 million, but they were willing to betray group loyalty, disrespect authority or do something disgusting, such as eating their own dog after it dies, for cash. Conservatives said they were less willing to compromise on any of the moral categories. ~Scientific American

Are we having fun yet?

K.




thishereboi -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 6:13:17 AM)


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Yeah, it's pretty much a given, glad you finally came to your senses [:D]

Then it is you who are delusional. I have known all along that many(note I did not say all) Libs are too arrogant to think we have a difference of opinion, and have to believe that anyone who disagrees with them has a fatal flaw. This is why they can't be reasoned with.


While I am guessing his was a tongue in cheek response, it's probably the most honest reply he has ever made.


Lol, well it's honest because it's true. If you look up the research, Cons are much more motivated by fear than libs are. If you're having trouble finding the research yourself just ask and I'd gladly link to it [:)]



Oh I am sure you can find links to back up your bigotry. I have seen other haters do it to justify their hatred of blacks and gays so why should this be any different.




dcnovice -> RE: Why is the Right afraid of Sharia Law? (1/18/2015 6:30:00 AM)

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Most schools in America ban a select list of items, such as fluorescent pink hair or U.S. flag t-shirts, but officials at New District High School in San Fernando, California, prohibited everything that other students, teachers or parents might find objectionable. Considered the "most politically correct school in the nation," New District adopted a ban that is so broad that it led to a prohibition of clothing, jewelry and even hair. Consequently, the school board during its April meeting voted to shorten the school's name to New Dist High.


Source: http://skinnyreporter.com/schoolbans.html

I'm guessing this is satire, given that the supposed principal's name is "Polly Andrus," and the PTA president is "Liv N. Wilder."

Also, I couldn't find a New District High School in San Fernando.




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