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mnottertail -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/4/2015 1:33:08 PM)
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No, it was with gulf war one.
And Gulf war two was brought on, in part by Iraq's refusal to abide by the cease fire at the end of one.
Welcome to the conversation. You are correct about Gulf war I. There was an authorizing Security Council resolution. We disagree about Iraq War 2. The UN SC did not pass an enabling resolution. And the WMDs turned out to be a propaganda myth.
They found over a ton of fissionable material.
Plus labs for bio and chemical weapons.
And Iraq had violated virtually every article of the cease-fire, not a treaty, a cease-fire.
Give me a link to your claim please.
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=50430
http://conservativepapers.com/news/2014/12/10/why-is-saddams-nuclear-materials-wmd-heating-america-homes-this-winter/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/13/AR2005081300530.html
Reading only the article in the Post I see the same bullshit that Colin Powell shamefully parroted before the UN in the run up to the War. Precursor chemicals.
As for the fissionable nuclear material, from your own link:
Whitman stressed that yellowcake is not of direct use in a nuclear weapon. “It is a commodity that is traded routinely in the global nuclear energy sector,” he said. “It can be used as a feed material for nuclear weapons if a country has access to the necessary fuel technology.”
Again, you exaggerate. [:-]
the world of uranium and nuclear weapons is pretty complex, so...
here's a quote from Wikipedia about uranium: "Under all definitions above, uranium-238 (238U) is fissionable..."
here's another about yellowcake: "Yellowcake is (99%+) almost exclusively U-238....Yellowcake is used in the preparation of uranium fuel for nuclear reactors, for which it is smelted into purified UO2 for use in fuel rods for pressurized heavy-water reactors and other systems that use natural unenriched uranium, like Heavy-water reactors
Purified uranium metal....can also be enriched in the isotope U-235." (which is used in weapons)
while yellowcake is not "directly" used per se, its a step in the process of a nuclear weapon. right, you copied the quote yourself. so bama was correct to say "tons of fissionable material" and I am not "exaggerating again."
as to "precursor" chemicals---the evidence (or lack thereof) you complained about had to do with labs that could produce chemical weapons---the article discusses a lab (factory); maybe the distinction between "precursor" and "agent" matters, im not sure.
but that said, I went and did a little more looking, and found this:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
and an interesting seque into today:
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/20/isis-captures-chemical-weapons-plant-in-iraq/ (yes I know this is pre 2003)
Yeah, we knew about the yellowcake way prior to this, it was in the inventory given to the UN and was scheduled to be removed, but the war put a stop to it.
There was no finding of tons of fissionable material that was not already known by Blix et al, and which Saddam had agreed to give up way before. Yellowcake can come as a byproduct of spent nuclear reactor material, and they had them for electricity. They weren't buying the shit, and not from Nigeria.
No, no WMD were found, and no chemical weapons, not ever.
If I find flour in your house, I have not found petite fours.
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