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Lucylastic -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 5:59:51 PM)
Guys, this isnt about me!!! get back to the topic[;)] For the record, yes he is guilty of war crimes and should pay. However he wont, and as much as I would love to see bushco for iraq, go on trial too, I know they wont, it will come to nothing, sadly. I wonder how many people would for pushing a trial for war crimes by Obama until he is in jail or shot for treason[:'(] Heaven knows[;)]

BamaD -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 6:12:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes? Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal. How easily you ignore reality.... Tell me BamaD, ever heard of the 8th amendment? Mr. Cheney an his pals in the Bush Administration are guilty of violating it....MANY....times. That they used the 'rational': The ends justify the means. Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals.

Politesub53 -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/6/2015 4:11:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic mike, you got mail !!! Pffftttttt. Whats the matter polite....jealous ?[:D] Yes, I wanted to write to you....... [8D]

tweakabelle -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/6/2015 7:33:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes? Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal. How easily you ignore reality.... Tell me BamaD, ever heard of the 8th amendment? Mr. Cheney an his pals in the Bush Administration are guilty of violating it....MANY....times. That they used the 'rational': The ends justify the means. Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals. I would think that carpet bombing neutral countries, without authorisation from the US Congress, or any one else for that matter, causing the deaths of unknown thousands of civilians of neutral countries counts as a crime against humanity on any reasonable standard. Civilians in Laos and Cambodia are still dying today from left over ordinance from those days. Kissinger and Nixon, and the top brass of the US military as the political and military leaders who ordered this crime against humanity have a clear prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer.

thishereboi -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/6/2015 7:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes? Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal. How easily you ignore reality.... Tell me BamaD, ever heard of the 8th amendment? Mr. Cheney an his pals in the Bush Administration are guilty of violating it....MANY....times. That they used the 'rational': The ends justify the means. Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals. I would think that carpet bombing neutral countries, without authorisation from the US Congress, or any one else for that matter, causing the deaths of unknown thousands of civilians of neutral countries counts as a crime against humanity on any reasonable standard. Civilians in Laos and Cambodia are still dying today from left over ordinance from those days. Kissinger and Nixon, and the top brass of the US military as the political and military leaders who ordered this crime against humanity have a clear prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer. Which countries did Cheney carpet bomb?

tweakabelle -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/6/2015 8:16:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals. I would think that carpet bombing neutral countries, without authorisation from the US Congress, or any one else for that matter, causing the deaths of unknown thousands of civilians of neutral countries counts as a crime against humanity on any reasonable standard. Civilians in Laos and Cambodia are still dying today from left over ordinance from those days. Kissinger and Nixon, and the top brass of the US military as the political and military leaders who ordered this crime against humanity have a clear prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer. Which countries did Cheney carpet bomb? The OP, in case you hadn't noticed, (or more likely, you are exercising your remarkable talent for selective reading) is: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? I have bolded the only person named in the OP - Kissinger. My post was about Kissinger. I note your silence about Kissinger's crimes. Does your failure to contest my assertions mean that you agree, or have no rational or evidence- or factually-based reasons to contest the assertion that Kissinger has a prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer for?

thishereboi -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/6/2015 8:27:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals. I would think that carpet bombing neutral countries, without authorisation from the US Congress, or any one else for that matter, causing the deaths of unknown thousands of civilians of neutral countries counts as a crime against humanity on any reasonable standard. Civilians in Laos and Cambodia are still dying today from left over ordinance from those days. Kissinger and Nixon, and the top brass of the US military as the political and military leaders who ordered this crime against humanity have a clear prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer. Which countries did Cheney carpet bomb? The OP, in case you hadn't noticed, (or more likely, you are exercising your remarkable talent for selective reading) is: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? I have bolded the only person named in the OP - Kissinger. My post was about Kissinger. I note your silence about Kissinger's crimes. Does your failure to contest my assertions mean that you agree, or have no rational or evidence- or factually-based reasons to contest the assertion that Kissinger has a prima facie charge of crimes against humanity to answer for? well the post you quoted was talking about Cheney and Kissinger. Hence the confusion. As to Kissinger's crimes, I would have to see that they have enough evidence to convict him and I haven't seen that yet. I also believe if the people who have been working so hard for all these years to find a way to convict him had turned their energy and time to cleaning up that UXO you mentioned they wouldn't need the warning signs at this point. It would all be gone.

joether -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 5:48:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: joether Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes? Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal. How easily you ignore reality.... Tell me BamaD, ever heard of the 8th amendment? Mr. Cheney an his pals in the Bush Administration are guilty of violating it....MANY....times. That they used the 'rational': The ends justify the means. Yes I am, and no they didn't. even if they did it would not qualify them as war criminals. Really? Torture is...NOT...a war crime? Where do you get these ideas? Have you ever been waterboarded, BamaD? Every person that has been, will tell you in no uncertain terms, that it is torture. How about being left in a room that is just degrees above freezing. Every hour a few buckets of water are splashed on to you. While your naked. Four 24-36 hours. Care to say that's not torture, there, BamaD? There are alot of things the Bush Administration signed off on. Tortured is not allowed. Its in the US Constitution, 8th amendment. They tried to side step things by saying the POWs were actually 'Enemy Combatants'. Sorry, but the US Constitution is pretty damn clear on the subject. All persons founder under the government's control get rights....even the terrorists. Because we did give those rights to Timothy McVeigh..... Your on a freaking BDSM website, BamaD. I think the people here would know the freaking difference between SM and torture. Apparently you dont!

vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 8:12:45 AM)
quote: As to Kissinger's crimes, I would have to see that they have enough evidence to convict him and I haven't seen that yet. Hmmmm. . . maybe just a wild and crazy guess but I doubt you ever even considered there was evidence. Tweak pointed to prima facie charges so you really don't have to look very hard. Just connect the dots. There is more at stake here than just the guilt or innocence of one old man. Some of us question the historical guilt or innocence our own nation acting on the world stage as an Imperium. If the United States is ever to become a democratic society, and if we are ever to enter the international community as a responsible party willing to wage peace instead of war, to foster cooperation and mutual aid rather than domination, we will have to account for the crimes of those who claim to act in our names like Kissinger. Our outrage at the crimes of murderous thugs who are official enemies like Pol Pot is not enough. A cabal of American mis-leaders from Kennedy on caused for far more Indochinese deaths than the Khmer Rouge, after all, and those responsible should be judged and treated accordingly. The urgency of the task is underscored as US aggression proliferates at an alarming rate. Millions of people around the world, most notably in an invigorated Latin America, are working to end the “might makes right” ethos the US has lived by since its inception. The 99 percent of us here who have no vested interest in empire would do well to join them. A Very Informative Opinion Piece

MercTech -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 10:58:22 AM)
I'm a bit nonplussed. What did Kissinger do that would be construed as "war crimes". I remember him as National Security Advisor taking a stance against escalating the Vietnam conflict and opposing some of John McNamara's concepts. I remember Kissinger getting the Nobel Peace Prize for the negotiations getting us out of Vietnam. What did I miss that was so heinous?

CreativeDominant -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 11:16:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: As to Kissinger's crimes, I would have to see that they have enough evidence to convict him and I haven't seen that yet. Hmmmm. . . maybe just a wild and crazy guess but I doubt you ever even considered there was evidence. Tweak pointed to prima facie charges so you really don't have to look very hard. Just connect the dots. There is more at stake here than just the guilt or innocence of one old man. Some of us question the historical guilt or innocence our own nation acting on the world stage as an Imperium. If the United States is ever to become a democratic society, and if we are ever to enter the international community as a responsible party willing to wage peace instead of war, to foster cooperation and mutual aid rather than domination, we will have to account for the crimes of those who claim to act in our names like Kissinger. Our outrage at the crimes of murderous thugs who are official enemies like Pol Pot is not enough. A cabal of American mis-leaders from Kennedy on caused for far more Indochinese deaths than the Khmer Rouge, after all, and those responsible should be judged and treated accordingly. The urgency of the task is underscored as US aggression proliferates at an alarming rate. Millions of people around the world, most notably in an invigorated Latin America, are working to end the “might makes right” ethos the US has lived by since its inception. The 99 percent of us here who have no vested interest in empire would do well to join them. A Very Informative Opinion Piece By an author so far left that his belief is that "The biggest secret of politics in the United States is that a majority of the population is to the left of both major parties." Anybody here believe that?

MercTech -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 12:03:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant By an author so far left that his belief is that "The biggest secret of politics in the United States is that a majority of the population is to the left of both major parties." Anybody here believe that? What I believe is that the majority of any population just wants to be left to live their life without interference by governments or other criminals. <grin> I remember studying current events when the Chilean coup happened. The U.S. had been providing aid to the democratic government in Chile. Then, a group of generals did a coup and took over. Many thought this was a very good example of why the U.S. should not be trying to buy friends in South America and the Monroe Doctrine should be put out of its misery. The same type of thing happened in the late 70s under a different leadership. We were giving arms and training to Iran under the Shah. Then the Islamic fundamentalists took over and the arms we had given the Shah were turned on our ships in the Mediterranean. Back at the time, the prevailing policy inside the beltway seemed to be that a despot was the lesser evil as compared to a repressive communist regime. It was the height of the cold war when the demon Russkies were seen in every political movement.

BamaD -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 5:34:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: As to Kissinger's crimes, I would have to see that they have enough evidence to convict him and I haven't seen that yet. Hmmmm. . . maybe just a wild and crazy guess but I doubt you ever even considered there was evidence. Tweak pointed to prima facie charges so you really don't have to look very hard. Just connect the dots. There is more at stake here than just the guilt or innocence of one old man. Some of us question the historical guilt or innocence our own nation acting on the world stage as an Imperium. If the United States is ever to become a democratic society, and if we are ever to enter the international community as a responsible party willing to wage peace instead of war, to foster cooperation and mutual aid rather than domination, we will have to account for the crimes of those who claim to act in our names like Kissinger. Our outrage at the crimes of murderous thugs who are official enemies like Pol Pot is not enough. A cabal of American mis-leaders from Kennedy on caused for far more Indochinese deaths than the Khmer Rouge, after all, and those responsible should be judged and treated accordingly. The urgency of the task is underscored as US aggression proliferates at an alarming rate. Millions of people around the world, most notably in an invigorated Latin America, are working to end the “might makes right” ethos the US has lived by since its inception. The 99 percent of us here who have no vested interest in empire would do well to join them. A Very Informative Opinion Piece Pol Pot killed far more than American actions did.

slvemike4u -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 6:06:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I'm a bit nonplussed. What did Kissinger do that would be construed as "war crimes". I remember him as National Security Advisor taking a stance against escalating the Vietnam conflict and opposing some of John McNamara's concepts. I remember Kissinger getting the Nobel Peace Prize for the negotiations getting us out of Vietnam. What did I miss that was so heinous? Apparently a whole lot [8\|]

MercTech -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 6:18:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I'm a bit nonplussed. What did Kissinger do that would be construed as "war crimes". I remember him as National Security Advisor taking a stance against escalating the Vietnam conflict and opposing some of John McNamara's concepts. I remember Kissinger getting the Nobel Peace Prize for the negotiations getting us out of Vietnam. What did I miss that was so heinous? Apparently a whole lot [8\|] I guess I'm still missing it. After following all the links posted in the thread only one had more information than stating someone didn't like Kissinger and was staging a protest. And the only one with more that a bare report was devoid of much more that the author screaming "war criminal" over and over and over. I guess I've been away from debate team for too long as I don't remember making an accusation over and over being a proof. <Yes, I'm being snarky while thinking of that article I followed the link to.>

slvemike4u -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/7/2015 6:41:16 PM)
Wiki the bombing of Cambodia and Laos. Wiki Kissinger scuttling peace talks by suggesting that a better deal could be had should the North wait for Nixon to get into the Oval Office. Wiki the carpet bombing of the North.

vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/8/2015 11:59:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I'm a bit nonplussed. What did Kissinger do that would be construed as "war crimes". I remember him as National Security Advisor taking a stance against escalating the Vietnam conflict and opposing some of John McNamara's concepts. I remember Kissinger getting the Nobel Peace Prize for the negotiations getting us out of Vietnam. What did I miss that was so heinous? You could at least read the OP. It was quite clear and detailed. FFS!!

vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/8/2015 12:01:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: As to Kissinger's crimes, I would have to see that they have enough evidence to convict him and I haven't seen that yet. Hmmmm. . . maybe just a wild and crazy guess but I doubt you ever even considered there was evidence. Tweak pointed to prima facie charges so you really don't have to look very hard. Just connect the dots. There is more at stake here than just the guilt or innocence of one old man. Some of us question the historical guilt or innocence our own nation acting on the world stage as an Imperium. If the United States is ever to become a democratic society, and if we are ever to enter the international community as a responsible party willing to wage peace instead of war, to foster cooperation and mutual aid rather than domination, we will have to account for the crimes of those who claim to act in our names like Kissinger. Our outrage at the crimes of murderous thugs who are official enemies like Pol Pot is not enough. A cabal of American mis-leaders from Kennedy on caused for far more Indochinese deaths than the Khmer Rouge, after all, and those responsible should be judged and treated accordingly. The urgency of the task is underscored as US aggression proliferates at an alarming rate. Millions of people around the world, most notably in an invigorated Latin America, are working to end the “might makes right” ethos the US has lived by since its inception. The 99 percent of us here who have no vested interest in empire would do well to join them. A Very Informative Opinion Piece Pol Pot killed far more than American actions did. Soooooo . . . . America is a kinder killer nation then?[8\|]

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