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tweakabelle -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/4/2015 11:07:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?


Excellent cost savings measure that must appeal to those on the Right who have concerns about runaway government spending.

For further savings lock them up in the same cell for the duration of their sentences. However we should remain mindful that forcing anyone to spend lengthy periods alone with either Cheney or Kissinger might infringe prohibitions on torture. My guess is that there won't be any pressing concerns about the possibility of sexual harassment or assault, so that would be one thing we needn't worry about - though of course one can never predict these things with any certainty. As no condoms or lube would be needed chalk that up as a further saving.




BamaD -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 5:32:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?

Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal.




Sanity -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 5:46:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?

Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal.


Youre kidding right

If he is more conservative than Stalin he is a war criminal




BamaD -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 6:01:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?

Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal.


Youre kidding right

If he is more conservative than Stalin he is a war criminal

Just by existing.




cloudboy -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 6:08:32 AM)

I suppose the short answer is: the USA doesn't commit war crimes.

Cheney, Bush, Rumsfedt, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, and Henry Kissenger were all just "doing their jobs."

Bradley Manning, on the other hand, blowing the whistle on US authorities --- he gets to serve a 35 year sentence in Prison. A lot of folks, too, wanted to lynch Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl for possibly deserting his post.

The only high ranking official in the US ever held to account in my lifetime was Nixon, and then he was immediately pardoned. To me, Scotter Libby was more of a fall guy for Cheney than anything else.




thishereboi -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 6:08:55 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?


Excellent cost savings measure that must appeal to those on the Right who have concerns about runaway government spending.

For further savings lock them up in the same cell for the duration of their sentences. However we should remain mindful that forcing anyone to spend lengthy periods alone with either Cheney or Kissinger might infringe prohibitions on torture. My guess is that there won't be any pressing concerns about the possibility of sexual harassment or assault, so that would be one thing we needn't worry about - though of course one can never predict these things with any certainty. As no condoms or lube would be needed chalk that up as a further saving.



Good plan. Of course first you will have to come up with enough evidence to convict them and since it's been many years and no one has done that yet I am guessing they don't have it or they would have done it already. But if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy to imagine the two of them in jail together, have at it. I am pretty sure neither one will care.




Sanity -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 6:51:21 AM)


FR

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Foreign Policy magazine this week announced the results of its 2014 Ivory Tower survey of 1,615 international relations scholars from 1,375 U.S. colleges.

One question they were asked was: “Who was the most effective U.S. secretary of state of the past 50 years?

The winner? Nobel Peace Prize winner Henry A. Kissinger, who was secretary for four years during the Nixon and Ford administrations. Since the Vietnam thing didn’t turn out so well, the scholars must have been grading him on openings to China and the Soviet Union when he was at the National Security Council?

Kissinger got 32.21 percent of the vote, extraordinary in such a large field.

“Don’t Know” came in a relatively distant second, with 18.32 percent.

James Baker — who was actually the most effective secretary in the last 50 years — came in third at 17.71 percent, just behind Dr. Know.

Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton tied for fourth at 8.70 percent.

George Shultz was sixth with 5.65 percent.

Dean Rusk, who served in the Kennedy-Johnson years, came in seventh at 3.51 percent.

Warren Christopher got 1.53 percent, tying Cyrus Vance for eighth place

Colin Powell was picked by 1.07 percent for tenth place.

Condoleezza Rice got the nod from 0.46 percent putting her in 11th place.

Lawrence Eagleburger came in 12th place with only 0.31 percent.

Then, dead last, is John Kerry. He also got a total of only five votes and tied Eagleburger’s 0.31 percent, but the magazine lists him at 13th...

Source


THIS explains why the bat shit crazy rabid anti-Kissenger propaganda is hitting the boards now




slvemike4u -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 7:28:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I suppose the short answer is: the USA doesn't commit war crimes.

Cheney, Bush, Rumsfedt, James Mitchell and Bruce Jessen, and Henry Kissenger were all just "doing their jobs."

Bradley Manning, on the other hand, blowing the whistle on US authorities --- he gets to serve a 35 year sentence in Prison. A lot of folks, too, wanted to lynch Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl for possibly deserting his post.

The only high ranking official in the US ever held to account in my lifetime was Nixon, and then he was immediately pardoned. To me, Scotter Libby was more of a fall guy for Cheney than anything else.

Damm straight...the only folks held responsible for Abu Ghraib were low level members of the military...no Command personnel,no contractors.




Lucylastic -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 7:40:12 AM)

mike, you got mail !!!




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 7:46:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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Traitor if she had done that at any earlier time she would have been executed


Name one other person who has been executed in our history for unfashionable political speech. Pure hyperbole.


Patrick Henry, Patriot.


Bah! Died of stomach cancer June 6, 1799.




mnottertail -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 7:50:40 AM)

Hmmmmmmmm, Nathan Hale, Patriot then?

It had to be a patriot somewhere.

Maybe George Washington for chopping down the cherry tree?
Or Abe Lincoln for putting all that coal all over his dad's shovel?

Oh, yeah.......and that stomach cancer thing? Obama's doings. You heard it here first.





slvemike4u -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 7:50:54 AM)

No I don't,but you do ;-)




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 8:22:42 AM)

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the world of uranium and nuclear weapons is pretty complex, so...

here's a quote from Wikipedia about uranium: "Under all definitions above, uranium-238 (238U) is fissionable..."

here's another about yellowcake: "Yellowcake is (99%+) almost exclusively U-238....Yellowcake is used in the preparation of uranium fuel for nuclear reactors, for which it is smelted into purified UO2 for use in fuel rods for pressurized heavy-water reactors and other systems that use natural unenriched uranium, like Heavy-water reactors
Purified uranium metal....can also be enriched in the isotope U-235." (which is used in weapons)

while yellowcake is not "directly" used per se, its a step in the process of a nuclear weapon. right, you copied the quote yourself. so bama was correct to say "tons of fissionable material" and I am not "exaggerating again."


as to "precursor" chemicals---the evidence (or lack thereof) you complained about had to do with labs that could produce chemical weapons---the article discusses a lab (factory); maybe the distinction between "precursor" and "agent" matters, im not sure.

but that said, I went and did a little more looking, and found this:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

and an interesting seque into today:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/06/20/isis-captures-chemical-weapons-plant-in-iraq/ (yes I know this is pre 2003)



Bounty, many isotopes are fissionable and usable in medical diagnostics and therapy. U-238 is fissionable but not of weapons quality until it has been infused with maybe 90% U-235. Hence the need for centrifuges which separate away the U238. Saddam lacked the technology to make weapons grade nuclear material.

The chemical weapons referred in the Times and hotair articles were mostly left over junk and not of any imminent danger to anyone except someone foolish enough to break the seals on the containers. Let's not get hysterical over bygone remnants. No one ever doubted that Saddam used chemical weapons in the early 1990s. The lies that Bush/Cheney told about the quantity and readiness of Saddam's weapons capabilities in 2003 lead to the needless deaths of 4600 American troops and maybe one hundred thousand Iraqi civilians. How can we countenance such outrageous behavior by our government? We repeat the same error again and again.




vincentML -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 8:42:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR

quote:



Foreign Policy magazine this week announced the results of its 2014 Ivory Tower survey of 1,615 international relations scholars from 1,375 U.S. colleges.

One question they were asked was: “Who was the most effective U.S. secretary of state of the past 50 years?

The winner? Nobel Peace Prize winner Henry A. Kissinger, who was secretary for four years during the Nixon and Ford administrations. Since the Vietnam thing didn’t turn out so well, the scholars must have been grading him on openings to China and the Soviet Union when he was at the National Security Council?

Kissinger got 32.21 percent of the vote, extraordinary in such a large field.

“Don’t Know” came in a relatively distant second, with 18.32 percent.

James Baker — who was actually the most effective secretary in the last 50 years — came in third at 17.71 percent, just behind Dr. Know.

Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton tied for fourth at 8.70 percent.

George Shultz was sixth with 5.65 percent.

Dean Rusk, who served in the Kennedy-Johnson years, came in seventh at 3.51 percent.

Warren Christopher got 1.53 percent, tying Cyrus Vance for eighth place

Colin Powell was picked by 1.07 percent for tenth place.

Condoleezza Rice got the nod from 0.46 percent putting her in 11th place.

Lawrence Eagleburger came in 12th place with only 0.31 percent.

Then, dead last, is John Kerry. He also got a total of only five votes and tied Eagleburger’s 0.31 percent, but the magazine lists him at 13th...

Source


THIS explains why the bat shit crazy rabid anti-Kissenger propaganda is hitting the boards now

Depends on how you define "effective." Effective at what? Keeping us out of war and the nation safe? Invading other sovereign nations? Wiping his ass with a cue tip? What the F**k does effective mean? A dumbass survey.

"Since the Vietnam thing didn’t turn out so well, the scholars must have been grading him on openings to China and the Soviet Union when he was at the National Security Council?"

I mean, really! What was the criteria? Could have just as well been his excellent [8|] diplomacy in Chile and East Timor. Journalists contribute to the corrupting of democracy by their forgetfulness.




CreativeDominant -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 9:49:56 AM)

Except when they're lauding the left...




mnottertail -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 9:57:35 AM)

Or the right.

Neither being journalism though.




kdsub -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 9:58:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?

Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal.


I'm not so sure about Cheney Bama

Butch




joether -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 1:49:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Why cant we do a 'Creature Double Feature'? Send Kissinger and Cheney off for war crimes?

Mainly because neither of them is a war criminal.


How easily you ignore reality....

Tell me BamaD, ever heard of the 8th amendment? Mr. Cheney an his pals in the Bush Administration are guilty of violating it....MANY....times. That they used the 'rational': The ends justify the means.




Politesub53 -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 4:40:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

mike, you got mail !!!


Pffftttttt.




slvemike4u -> RE: SHOULD HENRY KISSINGER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES? (2/5/2015 5:20:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

mike, you got mail !!!


Pffftttttt.


Whats the matter polite....jealous ?[:D]




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