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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:00:57 AM   
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Okay let's look at that Ken(though I do admire how readily the idea of state's rights got tossed by the conservative's here)what you propose means New York gets a right to weigh in on Florida's standards for concealed carry...so far so good with you ?
Right now Florida has approved the request of 216 folks with outstanding warrants ,28 more with active domestic violence injunctions.....shall I keep going are do you see that there might be an issue with this hare brained scheme ?
Virginia allows me to take an on line course in order to meet my requirements...so in practice you can take the class for me...how does that work for you ?

Of course all this information was in the piece...not that any of you gun fondlers give a shit,but it's their if you would like to look at it

But Fl does not allow convicted felons to have firearms, federal law prevents people with open domestic dispute injunctions to own a firearm. So either the site was inaccurate(or misleading) or the requests were improperly handled. This does not prove anything.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?



Because a ccw is only for guns



They couldnt possibly be for knives, mace, some club weapons, or anything else considered a weapon... ever... nope... they are only for guns......

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:05:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you aware of states that issue CCW's for maces ?
If not than I suggest your post requires very little attention to refute
Thanks for stopping by though,it was so nice to see you

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:05:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:11:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		i don't know enough about how the law works, but a couple of thoughts that probably should be addressed:

one is, what happens if a federal law passes but the state says "nope" we're not going to honor it---and if you come into our state, be forewarned about that.

but, and i think this is the better question---is it possible that the drafting of this bill would require all states to meet some minimum standard that they all could agree on so to speak. that is, if the florida folks wanna be able to come to ny, and while we realize they might not want to raise up to our standards, then they at least need to look a little bit more, like, say, Pennsylvania.

i know that probably read really rough---what im trying to say is---would (or could) the introduction of this bill have the states end up looking a bit more like each other?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:13:35 AM   
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not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:15:24 AM   
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Are you aware of states that issue CCW's for maces ?
If not than I suggest your post requires very little attention to refute
Thanks for stopping by though,it was so nice to see you


Yes pa requires a ccw for police grade mace and for knives longer then 3 inches... Wisconsin has similar laws

In fact any weapon that is concealed even something like coax or rebarb wire can get you in trouble without a permit

Its why its called a concealed carry weapons permit... not a concealed carry gun permit.

http://thearmsguide.com/48/concealed-carry-what-to-carry/

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:17:48 AM   
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not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns

You missed the point. Like the Pennsylvania woman who was following all reasonable requirements but was arrested because she drove a little distance into New Jersey and they didn't recognize her Pennsylvania permit. She wasn't a criminal, they just wouldn't recognize her permit.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:19:37 AM   
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Are you aware of states that issue CCW's for maces ?
If not than I suggest your post requires very little attention to refute
Thanks for stopping by though,it was so nice to see you


Yes pa requires a ccw for police grade mace and for knives longer then 3 inches... Wisconsin has similar laws

In fact any weapon that is concealed even something like coax or rebarb wire can get you in trouble without a permit

Its why its called a concealed carry weapons permit... not a concealed carry gun permit.

http://thearmsguide.com/48/concealed-carry-what-to-carry/

Same here, it not only covers my handgun, but (when I carry it ) my knife and sword cane.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:23:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten


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Are you aware of states that issue CCW's for maces ?
If not than I suggest your post requires very little attention to refute
Thanks for stopping by though,it was so nice to see you


Yes pa requires a ccw for police grade mace and for knives longer then 3 inches... Wisconsin has similar laws

In fact any weapon that is concealed even something like coax or rebarb wire can get you in trouble without a permit

Its why its called a concealed carry weapons permit... not a concealed carry gun permit.

http://thearmsguide.com/48/concealed-carry-what-to-carry/

Okay kitten,not that I buy that post...but for the purpose of this thread...and the purpose of the bill...we are,in fact,referring to guns.
Now can we move out of the theater of the absurd and back to this subject.....or are there more mace issues you wish to explore ?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:24:52 AM   
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not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns


im not talking about "criminals" here, I am talking about people like igor for instance who just innocently travel from one state to another and don't know they are breaking the law.

and...please lay off the snark with me.

which actually all raises a question you really need to answer:

so, igor has a gun, lets say he lives in Arizona and wants to drive to new York, spending 2-3 nights in every state along the way. what would you have him to do? not bring his gun? or somehow contact the bureaucracy in every single state he travels through in order to get their permission?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:29:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns

You missed the point. Like the Pennsylvania woman who was following all reasonable requirements but was arrested because she drove a little distance into New Jersey and they didn't recognize her Pennsylvania permit. She wasn't a criminal, they just wouldn't recognize her permit.

So she violate New Jersey's law...did she not ?
I'm sure she can plead guilty(she was,right?) and explain the mitigating circumstances of getting lost.
Surely you aren't suggesting new federal law just to deal with her situation.
I don't understand just last week a whole bunch of you guys declared we had enough laws on the books...now you are all here saying ,in essence,"wait this law sounds good.Lets add this one"
Make up your minds,the status quo is okay or it isn't .Should the federal gov.be allowed to make New York law null and void ?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:34:12 AM   
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Takes care of the states rights false flag.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:34:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		You forgot something, Mike...people were stating that there are enough laws RESTRICTING gun use. The law being proposed would not be restrictive...hence your problem with it.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:39:52 AM   
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Are you aware of states that issue CCW's for maces ?
If not than I suggest your post requires very little attention to refute
Thanks for stopping by though,it was so nice to see you


Yes pa requires a ccw for police grade mace and for knives longer then 3 inches... Wisconsin has similar laws

In fact any weapon that is concealed even something like coax or rebarb wire can get you in trouble without a permit

Its why its called a concealed carry weapons permit... not a concealed carry gun permit.

http://thearmsguide.com/48/concealed-carry-what-to-carry/

Okay kitten,not that I buy that post...but for the purpose of this thread...and the purpose of the bill...we are,in fact,referring to guns.
Now can we move out of the theater of the absurd and back to this subject.....or are there more mace issues you wish to explore ?


You brought up flordia giving ccws to felons. I explained why they might be giving ccws to felons because a ccw is needed for more then a gun. if you dont like being proven wrong. Dont bring up shit thats easily disproven.

also isnt it you that always whines about other posters telling you where and how to post.

Ironic that your contempt only applies when people do it to you.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:41:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns


im not talking about "criminals" here, I am talking about people like igor for instance who just innocently travel from one state to another and don't know they are breaking the law.

and...please lay off the snark with me.

which actually all raises a question you really need to answer:

so, igor has a gun, lets say he lives in Arizona and wants to drive to new York, spending 2-3 nights in every state along the way. what would you have him to do? not bring his gun? or somehow contact the bureaucracy in every single state he travels through in order to get their permission?

That's exact;y what I would have him do....not violate the laws of the sovereign states he intends to travel thru and certainly not to bring that gun to my state of birth New York.
Anything else and he is indeed a criminal...as is the lady,inadvertent as it might have been,who wandered into New Jersey.
For the sake of this conversation,and really all conversations,,,,,criminal is defined as someone who breaks the law,no?
Last I looked ignorance of the law is not a defense...though it is ,and should be,a mitigating factor.As I said earlier she is free to claim mitigation but not to deny she broke the law at all.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:50:25 AM   
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there are far too many laws that make "criminals" out of people who are really not.


im curious if anyone here with a concealed carry permit has ever done what we are talking about?

for that matter, does anyone even know the process of being "allowed" to carry in other states?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 11:55:01 AM   
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i appreciate your answering that...

im curious if anyone here with a concealed carry permit has ever done what we are talking about?

for that matter, does anyone even know the process of being "allowed" to carry in other states?


The first thing to check is if your state has resprosity with another state.. for example i cant carry concealed in de or nj

I can carry in md with permission only but freely can in ohio.

The second thing is theres federal transport law. If i move to az. I can bring my guns if i follow transport law ie gun in one area of the car mag and ammo in another.

A good resource is handgunlaw.us its a great starting point on what thr laws in your state are and what the ccw permit requirements are and other important things

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 12:01:02 PM   
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im curious if anyone here with a concealed carry permit has ever done what we are talking about?

Interstate travel with firearms? Yes, I do it all the time.

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for that matter, does anyone even know the process of being "allowed" to carry in other states?

If you want to carry in a non-resident state, you either need to have a reciprocity agreement with your home state (where you have a permit) or you need a non-resident permit in that state.

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 12:04:17 PM   
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so mike---help me understand---is the main problem you are having with the bill is that sometimes states mess up and felons get guns?

if that is true---do you think those felons care that new York's law is tougher than Florida's, such that if they wanted to go to ny AND take their guns there, that they actually wouldn't?

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RE: Concealed Carry,as portable as your drivers license - 2/19/2015 12:12:02 PM   
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Here's hoping we don't make Somalia or Afghanistan the 51st state.

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