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mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/5/2016 5:19:51 PM)

Public schools was a republican intitiative, and I understand how the cockgargling nutsuckers want to derail from that and cry they are taking it in the ass not only from the educated marjority, but quite often ossfrom other nutsuckers who raise the question of none of the nutsucker retards left behind or common cockgargling. On the other hand, searching across the aeons, we have some enlightenment from the muslims in the 7th century, and cockgargling non-enlightening ideology from such vaunted institutions as liberty u and brigham young where they have determined that the garden of eden is somewhere in Missouri and you should wear special diapers.

Its fuckin big, I tell ya.




thompsonx -> RE: Progressive Education (3/6/2016 4:30:29 PM)

"Survey finds notable increase in proportion of professors who identify as "far left" or liberal, and declines for all other groups."


It would appear that you favor quotas. Why is that?




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/7/2016 6:43:17 AM)

"Research backs up conservatives' concerns on campus speech"

quote:

Okay, maybe conservatives are right to freak out about illiberal lefty militancy on college campuses. Today's students are indeed both more left wing and more openly hostile to free speech than earlier generations of collegians.

Don't believe me? There is hard data to prove it.

For 50 years, researchers have surveyed incoming college freshmen about everything from their majors to their worldviews. Earlier this month, the Higher Education Research Institute at the University of California at Los Angeles released the latest iteration of this survey, which included 141,189 full-time, first-year students attending about 200 public and private baccalaureate institutions around the country.

According to the findings, the current crop of freshmen can lay claim to multiple superlatives. Among them: most willing to shut down speech they find offensive.

About 71 percent of freshmen surveyed in the fall said they agreed with the statement that "colleges should prohibit racist/sexist speech on campus." This question has been asked on and off for a couple of decades, and 2015 logged the highest percentage of positive responses on record...

What speech counts as "racist" or "sexist" is, of course, in the eye of the beholder...

...in general, support for banning speakers from campuses has trended upward over time.

Recent incidents suggest students (and sometimes their professors) may have rather expansive views of what constitutes an "extreme speaker." Among those disinvited or forced to withdraw from campus speaking engagements in the past few years are feminism critic Suzanne Venker, former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde and Narendra Modi, now the Indian prime minister...

One last freshman survey finding of interest: The highest share of students since 1973 now consider themselves left of center. And the highest share of college freshmen ever (or at least since this question was first asked in 1970) call themselves "far left."

All of which is to say that — while I support and admire students' efforts to make the world a better place — I also kind of understand the right's fear that student activism may be disparately used to muzzle conservative viewpoints.

Heck, some students are trying to muzzle liberal and moderate viewpoints. I'm hardly an archconservative, and whenever I write things that college students disagree with, I get a lot of email demanding retraction, recantation, apology, prostration. Some younger readers — not all that much younger than I, mind you — have accused my writing of "taking away" both their voices and their agency, as if free speech were zero-sum.

One parting observation: Remember that these survey questions were asked of newly matriculated college freshmen. That is, students are setting foot on campus already more liberal, more protest-happy and more amenable to speech restrictions than their predecessors.

Which suggests that colleges themselves are not wholly responsible for rising liberal and illiberal tendencies on campus — even if they do sometimes aid and abet both trends.


http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/research-backs-conservatives-concerns-campus-speech




Musicmystery -> RE: Progressive Education (3/7/2016 6:50:40 AM)

You are a fool. This is certainly not "hard data" -- it's a few surveys, anecdotal at best, unsubstantiated, with dubious connections to the conclusions and often outright leaps in logic. And it's reported in an editorial...an opinion piece.

A pre-determined conclusion in desperate search of a "methodology."







Phydeaux -> RE: Progressive Education (3/8/2016 4:14:06 PM)

And you're a bigger fool. Are you really disputing that mainstream universities in the US are slanting left? Really?

A "few" surveys? You're joking, right?




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/8/2016 11:19:53 PM)

Strawmen aside, shouldn't the praxis of the question be, why doesnt nutsucker propaganda find itself acquainted with, and have a strong foothold in institutions of higher learning? Or perhaps more succinctly, can nutsuckerism be classified as intelligence even under the most liberal of interpretation?




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/9/2016 3:45:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You are a fool. This is certainly not "hard data" -- it's a few surveys, anecdotal at best, unsubstantiated, with dubious connections to the conclusions and often outright leaps in logic. And it's reported in an editorial...an opinion piece.

A pre-determined conclusion in desperate search of a "methodology."



studies being continuously done by ucla every year for fifty years---but yeah "it's a few surveys."

"hard data"---yes, actual results of a study as opposed to anecdotes. so sorry there comrade, you lose on that one.

righhhht, ucla and their higher education research institute have a vested interest in supporting conservative criticisms of the liberal changes on college campuses.

way to actually deal with the data too. nothing you said in that regard actually effectually addresses what was posted.

and im the fool?

if you wanted another reason as to why I have no interest in conversation with you, there you go...




Musicmystery -> RE: Progressive Education (3/9/2016 6:08:00 AM)

I don't think you or P know what "data" means.

If there's an actual study, cite it.

Surveys measure opinion. Your source even says so in this instance.

Perhaps you need to review matters of fact vs. matters of opinion before taking on data.

Let alone "hard" data.






mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/9/2016 2:23:31 PM)

And soliciting ones opionions on oneself does not lead us to an understanding.

Surveyor: Do you consider yourself a christian?
Adolf Hitler: I do.

Surveyor: Do you think you are fairly liberal minded?
Adolf Hitler: oh, fer shure.

We go to the tangerine scale on the abacus for that calculus.

However, lets consider the fundamental aspects here.
Upon entering the institution of higher learning, they consider themselves liberal.

Does that mean that they were immersed in it in the nutsucker overreach big government no first amendment rights slavery no-education era of no child left behind?

What then did the nutsuckers teach? This could not be attributed to spontaneous generation but only by some form of no child left behind mind control by nutsucker propagandist wizards marinating their minds during their formative school years under the no child left behind and the human and dinosoaur symbiosis and creationist theories.




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 3:35:45 PM)

this is rich:

VIDEO: Black student accosts white student for having dreadlocks

cultural appropriation!

not to mention loving liberal tolerance and appreciation for diversity.




Real0ne -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 3:41:08 PM)

most if not nearly all so called racism is in reality culturalism.




TheCabal -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 3:41:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is rich:

VIDEO: Black student accosts white student for having dreadlocks

cultural appropriation!

not to mention loving liberal tolerance and appreciation for diversity.


The really wild thing about this is there's an equally bad flip side to this coin called "cultural imperialism."

Basically it's how the left operates: A non-Asian American goes into a Panda Express in the US, and that's "cultural appropriation." A Chinese person goes into Burger King in Beijing, and that's not the Chinese person appropriating American culture. That's cultural imperialism, where American culture imposes itself on China.

People need to get over themselves with this nonsense. The only thing that keeps it from being cartoonish is these people are actually serious.




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:00:47 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is rich:

VIDEO: Black student accosts white student for having dreadlocks

cultural appropriation!

not to mention loving liberal tolerance and appreciation for diversity.

Nutuckers will never be accused of either.




Phydeaux -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:14:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

"Survey finds notable increase in proportion of professors who identify as "far left" or liberal, and declines for all other groups."


It would appear that you favor quotas. Why is that?


Seriously, do you know how manifestly stupid that sounds?

Isn't the lefts sine qua non "diversity" . Except, it seems, when its not.




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:16:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is rich:

VIDEO: Black student accosts white student for having dreadlocks

cultural appropriation!

not to mention loving liberal tolerance and appreciation for diversity.


The really wild thing about this is there's an equally bad flip side to this coin called "cultural imperialism."

Basically it's how the left operates: A non-Asian American goes into a Panda Express in the US, and that's "cultural appropriation." A Chinese person goes into Burger King in Beijing, and that's not the Chinese person appropriating American culture. That's cultural imperialism, where American culture imposes itself on China.

People need to get over themselves with this nonsense. The only thing that keeps it from being cartoonish is these people are actually serious.


a couple of commentators I heard talking about this suggested how the left would be totally up in arms, the naacp would be on the scene and president Obama would weigh in if it had been a white student accosting a black student over straightening her hair and accused her of "cultural appropriation."




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:20:21 PM)

while im here:

"Emory president: Students scared by 'Trump 2016' chalk signs"

quote:

A flurry of chalk scrawls supporting Donald Trump on the Emory University campus sparked a demonstration by students who demanded and were granted a meeting with the president, saying the messages made them feel concerned and frightened. At least one of them said he got death threats after the protest.

The students viewed the messages as intimidation, and they voiced "genuine concern and pain" as a result, Emory President Jim Wagner wrote Tuesday, one day after meeting with 40 to 50 student demonstrators...

Students at Monday's protest chanted, "You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!" shortly before Wagner agreed to meet with them, Emory's student newspaper, The Wheel, reported...

Slogans such as "Trump 2016" were written in chalk on campus sidewalks and some buildings sometime during the weekend. At least one of the chalk messages stated "Build a wall," said one of the students at the protest, Jonathan Peraza, 19, who said he is of Latino heritage and went to high school in suburban Atlanta.

"That is a direct reference to brown people on campus," Peraza told The Associated Press Wednesday, adding that "we feel unsafe on our campus."

"It was an intentional way to rile students up and intimate those of us who feel we are in danger with this presidential candidate," Peraza said. "We do feel that our lives are in danger with his campaign and the violence that he's been inciting."


www.njherald.com/article/20160323/AP/303239776

bill maher said he'd really like to dropkick the students...







TheCabal -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:25:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheCabal

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is rich:

VIDEO: Black student accosts white student for having dreadlocks

cultural appropriation!

not to mention loving liberal tolerance and appreciation for diversity.


The really wild thing about this is there's an equally bad flip side to this coin called "cultural imperialism."

Basically it's how the left operates: A non-Asian American goes into a Panda Express in the US, and that's "cultural appropriation." A Chinese person goes into Burger King in Beijing, and that's not the Chinese person appropriating American culture. That's cultural imperialism, where American culture imposes itself on China.

People need to get over themselves with this nonsense. The only thing that keeps it from being cartoonish is these people are actually serious.


a couple of commentators I heard talking about this suggested how the left would be totally up in arms, the naacp would be on the scene and president Obama would weigh in if it had been a white student accosting a black student over straightening her hair and accused her of "cultural appropriation."




Of course. It only goes one way.




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 4:58:29 PM)

Unfortunately, what we are finding in practice, is that nutsuckers will be left behind.

GWB




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 5:31:59 PM)

quote:

Are you really disputing that mainstream universities in the US are slanting left?

Actually yes, I would say rather that they are slanted left and have been for at least several generations.
As for the authoritarian pseudo-left that is behind the various stupidities such as the cited dreadlocks incident, well, suffice to say I find them both stupid and antithetical to the actual goals and philosophies of the left. They are more a reflection of the increasingly vocal extreme centre than the traditional left, or the left as it is understood in most of the rest of the world.




thompsonx -> RE: Progressive Education (3/30/2016 9:03:54 PM)


ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

"Survey finds notable increase in proportion of professors who identify as "far left" or liberal, and declines for all other groups."


It would appear that you favor quotas. Why is that?


Seriously, do you know how manifestly stupid that sounds?

I know how stupid you are to post such drivel.

Isn't the lefts sine qua non "diversity" . Except, it seems, when its not.

That would be your ignorant, unsubstantiated opinion. So until you can cite some credible source ,and not your opinion, about the "sine qua non" of the "left" you are just making noise with your mouth.[8|]




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