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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 8:07:23 AM   
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I answered your question.
there isnt treatment easily available.
simple.



No you didn't answer my question. I asked (paraphrasing) when should it be the class or university's problem that this woman has her trauma triggered?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 8:10:52 AM   
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I answered your question.
there isnt treatment easily available.
simple.


In my State, and probably since Obamacare, it's illigal to sell health insurance that doesn't cover twenty visits to a shrink or counselor per year. Are you saying, then, that can't be used for rape counciling?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 8:49:24 AM   
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your question was
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When is this the responsibility of the class, university, or society at large other than to offer treatment when treatment is needed.

There is more need than spaces/money/staff/locations/cost beyond 20 allowable sessions. How much are they earning, are they lucky enough to have their parents keeping them on their own insurance what are the limits on the parents insurance? or are they wealthy enough to be able to pay their premiums?
there are approx 293000 rapes per year over the age of 12
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault
from the next link...non students are more likely to be raped than students...however
from this study
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rsavcaf9513pr.cfm
these facts come out.
This report uses data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to describe the nature of rape and sexual assault against college-age females ages 18 to 24. The NCVS is the only national source of data that compares rape and sexual assault victimization among college students (those enrolled in a college, university, trade school or vocational school) and nonstudents.

Other findings for the period 1995–2013 include—

Among college students and nonstudents, the offender was known to the victim in about 80 percent of rape and sexual assault victimizations.
Nonstudents (34 percent) were more likely than students (24 percent) to experience rape or sexual assault committed by an intimate partner. Among female student victims, half of victimizations were committed by friends or acquaintances.
For both students and nonstudents, about 70 percent of rape and sexual assault victimizations occurred either at the victim’s home or the home of another known person.
No statistically significant difference was detected in the percentage of student (47 percent) and nonstudent (40 percent) victims who perceived that the offender was drinking or using drugs.
Fewer than 1 in 5 female student (16 percent) and nonstudent (18 percent) victims of rape and sexual assault received assistance from a victim services agency.


Now....293 000 REPORTED rapes and sexual assaults PER year, are not a miniscule number. thats more than 4 million women over the past 15 years.
How many of them have had any kind of help.....


If you think there is enough help out there for women who have been raped or assaulted, you are living in another reality





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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 8:58:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Yes I did answer your question....
your question was
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When is this the responsibility of the class, university, or society at large other than to offer treatment when treatment is needed.

There is more need than spaces/money/staff/locations/cost beyond 20 allowable sessions. How much are they earning, are they lucky enough to have their parents keeping them on their own insurance what are the limits on the parents insurance? or are they wealthy enough to be able to pay their premiums?
there are approx 293000 rapes per year over the age of 12
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/frequency-of-sexual-assault
from the next link...non students are more likely to be raped than students...however
from this study
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rsavcaf9513pr.cfm
these facts come out.
This report uses data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) to describe the nature of rape and sexual assault against college-age females ages 18 to 24. The NCVS is the only national source of data that compares rape and sexual assault victimization among college students (those enrolled in a college, university, trade school or vocational school) and nonstudents.

Other findings for the period 1995–2013 include—

Among college students and nonstudents, the offender was known to the victim in about 80 percent of rape and sexual assault victimizations.
Nonstudents (34 percent) were more likely than students (24 percent) to experience rape or sexual assault committed by an intimate partner. Among female student victims, half of victimizations were committed by friends or acquaintances.
For both students and nonstudents, about 70 percent of rape and sexual assault victimizations occurred either at the victim’s home or the home of another known person.
No statistically significant difference was detected in the percentage of student (47 percent) and nonstudent (40 percent) victims who perceived that the offender was drinking or using drugs.
Fewer than 1 in 5 female student (16 percent) and nonstudent (18 percent) victims of rape and sexual assault received assistance from a victim services agency.


Now....293 000 REPORTED rapes and sexual assaults PER year, are not a miniscule number. thats more than 4 million women over the past 15 years.
How many of them have had any kind of help.....


If you think there is enough help out there for women who have been raped or assaulted, you are living in another reality







No, you didn't answer my question. You edited it to your liking. Which seems to be what you do so you can call people liers and stomp off in a huff.

But what I'd like to consider is what, if anything, the class was responsible for with regard to the woman's trauma? My bud sought help where help was available. I assume the woman rape victim had help available as well. At some point isn't it each of their responsibilty to deal with the trauma and avail themselves of available help. When should it be a shared trauma the whole of society is responsible for reacting to?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:02:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA
But what I'd like to consider is what, if anything, the class was responsible for with regard to the woman's trauma? My bud sought help where help was available. I assume the woman rape victim had help available as well. At some point isn't it each of their responsibilty to deal with the trauma and avail themselves of available help. When should it be a shared trauma the whole of society is responsible for reacting to?



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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:07:54 AM   
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I have responded with background, research and stats.....
not bloviation and goading.

You dont get to decide my answers.


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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:16:16 AM   
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sorry you dont get to decide what I do take up and dont take up....I was taking the bolded part ( as it was IN the quoted question) also the universitys, altho the "school" usually have a skeleton team, it ISNT enough.
I have responded with background, research and stats.....
not bloviation and goading.

You dont get to decide my answers.




Yes, I think we all understand you take what you want and when people don't respond to your narrow interpretation you call them liers and stomp off in a huff. I understand you can do that. I just don't see the point of an adult doing it here because it contributes noting to the conversation besides you having your huffy fit for the day.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:24:13 AM   
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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:29:05 AM   
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yawwwwwwwwwn, try the topic... im not the topic.




That's another thing. You say that after you pick what you want the topic to be and go off in your direction. When people reign things back in with a comment to you, then you're not the topic. But, them being liers "is" often the topic for you and your "huff" is the topic for you. This thread is the thread for the perpetually offended. Perhaps you are the topic.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:31:29 AM   
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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok this is hilarious and fits the thread....btw, This is a perpetually offended group(republican politicians), this time tho its catholics that have pissed one of them off, LMFAO, separation of church and state indeed....
and of course its a rabid lefty site, but ...sorry its funny

House Republican: Pope should stay out of politics
It was just five months ago that Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said he wants leaders from the faith community to “rise up and engage America in the public square with Biblical values.” The likely Republican presidential candidate added, “The time has come for pastors to lead the way and reset the course of American governance.”

This is not an uncommon sentiment in GOP politics. As the party continues to move sharply to the right, Republican hostility towards church-state separation has become the norm. In culture-war debates over gay rights and reproductive rights, for example, the right routinely argues that policymakers should heed the appeals from religious leaders.

More generally, conservatives express alarm about the left trying to push voices from the faith community “out of the public square.” It’s these religious leaders, the GOP argues, that should help guide public debate.

With this in mind, it seemed almost miraculous to see this Politico piece yesterday.

After Pope Francis moved to recognize a Palestinian state, some gung-ho defenders of Israel suggested the pontiff should stick to preaching and stay out of politics.

“It’s interesting how the Vatican has gotten so political when ultimately the Vatican ought to be working to lead people to Jesus Christ and salvation, and that’s what the Church is supposed to do,” said Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.), a hawkish defender of Israel.

Note, a variety of lawmakers expressed public disagreement – and in some cases, deep disappointment – with Pope Francis’s move towards officially recognizing Palestinians. And to be sure, there’s nothing wrong with a spirited debate, with some American policymakers on one side and the Catholic leader on the other.

But that’s not what Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) said, exactly. Rather, he suggested Pope Francis should stay out of the debate altogether – the Vatican can focus on spiritual matters, the South Carolinian argued, and stay out of politics.

Imagine that. When church leaders condemn abortion, congressional Republicans shout, “Amen.” When the pope enters a foreign policy debate, suddenly we effectively hear, “Mind your own business, padre.”

Indeed, when President Reagan worked with Pope John Paul II on a variety of issues, Republicans saw it as an important diplomatic partnership. But now that it’s President Obama and Pope Francis who are often aligned – on climate change, on Iran nuclear talks, on diplomacy with Cuba, on economic inequality, on pay equity for women – and some GOP officials suddenly aren’t pleased at all with the Vatican’s interest in contemporary politics.

Over at Daily Kos, Laura Clawson added, “Republicans have shown time and time again that they have no problem whatsoever with religion in politics. Now we know how particular they are about whose religion and whose politics. Catholic leaders in politics are fine as long as they’re threatening to deny communion to Democrats over abortion, but let a pope talk about economic inequality and poverty and suddenly Republicans discover that they’d really prefer it if religious leaders would keep quiet and let politicians speak for them.”

Francis will deliver a speech to a joint session of Congress in the fall, at the invitation of House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). It’s bound to be interesting.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/house-republican-pope-should-stay-out-politics?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/15/2015 9:44:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		There you go. Good one Lucy.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/22/2015 8:21:20 AM   
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One of the interesting things I notice is exactly, almost word for word, some of the accusers in this article sound just like some of those here.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/22/2015 4:53:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hunter, the question should be, "Is Cain, Able ?"

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/22/2015 6:04:00 PM   
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Hunter, the question should be, "Is Cain, Able ?"

That's an interesting question. There are some old wives tales that say that Cain was sentenced to walk the earth until the end. If that's the case, then he's able to do a lot of things. On the other hand as males get older, (PS), their ability becomes less able. Especially in the manly aspects of man, or as Moses is depicted at the end of his book as still being full of his juices. With regard to that, PS, I think the person around here that would best be able to answer that question, Cain now being an old man, is you. So what would you guess?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/23/2015 4:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hunter, since we are probably around the same age, and are almost certain to have aged at the same rate, you would be better placed to answer anything concerning sperm production better than me, seeing as you are the bigger tosser.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/23/2015 5:31:21 PM   
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Hunter, since we are probably around the same age, and are almost certain to have aged at the same rate, you would be better placed to answer anything concerning sperm production better than me, seeing as you are the bigger tosser.



Wait a minute. I have to get out my Harvard "Book of Definition in proper English of British Words" and find out what a tosser is.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/23/2015 5:36:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Tower" ........... is your spell check fucked again ? That`s what you get for buying cheap Chinese manufactured equipment.

Edits to add.....

LOL, you just edited in time. I should have used the quote feature.

Anyhow, since you just love to use the Urban Dictionary "tosser" should be under "T"

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/23/2015 5:57:25 PM   
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"Tower" ........... is your spell check fucked again ? That`s what you get for buying cheap Chinese manufactured equipment.

Edits to add.....

LOL, you just edited in time. I should have used the quote feature.

Anyhow, since you just love to use the Urban Dictionary "tosser" should be under "T"


It was my spell check and I did edit it. You are correct on both.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 5/23/2015 6:01:58 PM   
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Thats how I roll......... LOL

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