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shiftyw -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 12:10:32 PM)

To me, it's still a person to person basis.

Stereotypes are just generalizations and there are always, ALWAYS exceptions to every rule.




GotSteel -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 1:42:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
Really, you don't get why you trying to ask "why is it male and female subs are different" even though there are Submission 101 classes for one side of the gender and not the other?

Every sub101 class in my area that I'm aware of has been gender neutral and I'm not even sure where you think you're going with that. I think you'll need to actually walk us through this stuff rather than just assuming it's obvious.


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
Even though there is a difference in approach by female Dominants statistically vs Male Doms?

Which statistics would those be?


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
Even though there is a difference in fetish preferences eg cucking? Really? LOL, and you actually think this is capable of eliciting emotion from me? I'm only wasting time here since I'm ready rather early for my appointment, lmao. Some of us live for things outside this forum hon.

So I suppose that would be a no to the "coming up with an argument that does not rely upon name calling or emotional coercion to prop it up".


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
Honestly these sad and sordid attempts to try to "discredit someone" look really futile and desperate at this point. By the way, after my "Domination 101" class today is my "How to pour milk into a bowl of cereal" class, in case anyone was wondering. [8|]

Assertions don't need discrediting, they have no credit: "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur".

This has been me giving you the opportunity to meet your burden of proof and thus gain credit for your assertion. I've been pitching you nothing but softballs here, your the only one to blame for your tweaking out.




crumpets -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 2:31:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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Also people need to stop comparing male subs to female subs, it is a totally, totally different ballgame here. I wouldn't know where to begin.


I thought this was a rather strange claim, thoughts?


I think it stems from the fact that female subs are females first, and subs second, just as male subs are males first and subs second.
So, the real question you're asking, assuming that epiphany holds water, is:

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Also people need to stop comparing males to females. They are totally different. I wouldn't know where to begin.




UnholyBear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 3:32:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Also to point out the sheer hypocrisy and dishonesty of this thread. How many "Submission 101" classes and books are out there pandering to female subs. Or male ProDoms and FinDoms? YAWN! cbt, cuckolding, foot worship and queening are definitely the same ball game. *Eye rollsssssssss* LMAO!



ok Manko, Enlighten us then.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 3:36:40 PM)

Bear, you haz a CMail.




UnholyBear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 3:44:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tiggerspoohbear

Bear, you haz a CMail.



Read and replied!




dreamlady -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 3:51:29 PM)

A comment to the side, whether guidelines permit importing a (partial) post made on another thread to start a new thread. (?) I can see importing a post by an already participating poster, not compelling somebody to be put on the defensive, non-consensually. I mention this because that other thread deals with the premise of consent from the starting gate.

If you are sincere about having an honest and open discussion about this matter in a non-adversarial manner, I would like to give my point of view, obviously from my own perspective as a straight female switch. It is not subject to debate.

The differences I see between submissive males and females have less to do with D/s orientation and more to do with other orientations.
I'll try to make this simple, and therefore limited in scope by necessity.

Taking D/s orientation out it for a moment, here's a brief general comparison.

Males segue onto a kink site like this more from having watched porn and surfing (FemDom) porn sites where they tend to project their fantasy image of the type of kinky woman they imagine they want and how she should stereotypically act.
This isn't to say that females haven't been influenced by porn and/or erotica also or don't have their own fantasy Master image in mind, or an unrealistic concept of how they themselves should behave, playact or roleplay.

As DesFIP noted, more males are prone to be fetishists and have tunnel vision about hoping to get their needs met. I see fetishists as a subset of the do-me male sub who reverses the active/receptive polarity into you-must-have-me-do-these-things-to-you, as fetish objectification. The object of their fetish desires is still getting sexually objectified.
I don't see females doing as much fetish-objectifying, which isn't to say that they aren't similarly motivated, but with much less of a one-track mind.

Males will also tend to seek out sexual or sexually-charged encounters and instant physical intimacy, and be less selective and discriminating in who Tops or bottoms for them, as long as it's the preferred gender.
Females tend to be more relationship-oriented in wanting emotional intimacy (even with forging enduring friendships), are more selective and discriminating in choice of play partner and/or in making a relationship commitment.

Both can be seeking casual play, but a male does not screen for experience, technique, and individual character attributes as much as a female does. I've noticed that female subs are drawn to more experienced, seemingly trustworthy Masters or Mistresses by whom they are not (yet) owned or if seeking to become collared.
For example, a female spankee will want an experienced spanking Top. A masochistic female will want to play with a reputable sadist at events, where she can feel safer in a group setting.
A (straight, but could also be bi) male spankee, on the other hand IME, doesn't care who wails away on his bare bottom as long as he is minimally attracted, or as long as the person willing to OTK spank him, or leather-strap spank him against the wall or while bent over bound to a spanking block, appears to be a woman doing it. In fact, male subs act as if they are willing to consider bottoming for any female who will do CFNM with them, where they get to strip down naked (so they can feel sexually objectified).

Most Doms and male switches who contact me aren't looking for a relationship -- they want kinky sex with a female who can Top them.
(I don't get contacted by females about this, so no data to report there.)

In a nutshell, when talking about submission, I don't see nearly as many service-oriented males as there are service-oriented females who profess to want an owner, when it comes to a non-sexual/non-fetishy capacity.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 5:41:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

ok Manko, Enlighten us then.


LMAO! Depth perception is good to actually have.




UnholyBear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:09:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

ok Manko, Enlighten us then.


LMAO! Depth perception is good to actually have.



And obvious you are sorely lacking in it seems.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:13:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

ok Manko, Enlighten us then.


LMAO! Depth perception is good to actually have.



And obvious you are sorely lacking in it seems.

Well done stranger on the internet who knows jack shit about me and my life, you've hurt my feelings. *Eye roll*




JstAnotherSub -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:16:49 PM)

GM, you certainly are spending a lot of time responding to stuff and loling and lmaoing to stuff you do not care about. Seriously, are you off your meds today or something, because you have been acting like a real jerk today on these boards.




UnholyBear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:19:05 PM)

Obviously, you seem to be the resident *expert* from all that you posted here and whether I do/don't know you is moot point and irrelevant. Sadly you seem to be too fucking dense to understand that concept.

I see is you mouthing the words, being too general in your assumptions and really not taking into considerations the expectations. So on that note....actually I really don't care.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:19:16 PM)

Yes, because it's amusing me. I thought that much was obvious.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:23:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

Obviously, you seem to be the resident *expert* from all that you posted here and whether I do/don't know you is moot point and irrelevant. Sadly you seem to be too fucking dense to understand that concept.

I see is you mouthing the words, being too general in your assumptions and really not taking into considerations the expectations. So on that note....actually I really don't care.


Hmm the difference between me and you is that not a cell in my body cares about you, truly. But I love how my fans can't help but make threads about me, yet my apathy remains, quel dommage. I speak from my kinky experience same as everyone else and nothing you say online is really you know, stopping this freight train so there's that. It's funny watching you get emotional over something that has little to nothing to do with you. Must be nice to have so little else to do.




UnholyBear -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:23:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I don't know. I suppose they have differences- but I feel each person I'm with is very different despite common themes.
I've never found the "one size fits all" something that applies.

However I think the two genders can be very similar- but to me, each person is a different ball game...

But I'm not a domme?



In theory, submission is submission regardless though it is the motivation that differs between genders.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:27:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

A comment to the side, whether guidelines permit importing a (partial) post made on another thread to start a new thread. (?) I can see importing a post by an already participating poster, not compelling somebody to be put on the defensive, non-consensually. I mention this because that other thread deals with the premise of consent from the starting gate.

If you are sincere about having an honest and open discussion about this matter in a non-adversarial manner, I would like to give my point of view, obviously from my own perspective as a straight female switch. It is not subject to debate.

The differences I see between submissive males and females have less to do with D/s orientation and more to do with other orientations.
I'll try to make this simple, and therefore limited in scope by necessity.

Taking D/s orientation out it for a moment, here's a brief general comparison.

Males segue onto a kink site like this more from having watched porn and surfing (FemDom) porn sites where they tend to project their fantasy image of the type of kinky woman they imagine they want and how she should stereotypically act.
This isn't to say that females haven't been influenced by porn and/or erotica also or don't have their own fantasy Master image in mind, or an unrealistic concept of how they themselves should behave, playact or roleplay.

As DesFIP noted, more males are prone to be fetishists and have tunnel vision about hoping to get their needs met. I see fetishists as a subset of the do-me male sub who reverses the active/receptive polarity into you-must-have-me-do-these-things-to-you, as fetish objectification. The object of their fetish desires is still getting sexually objectified.
I don't see females doing as much fetish-objectifying, which isn't to say that they aren't similarly motivated, but with much less of a one-track mind.

Males will also tend to seek out sexual or sexually-charged encounters and instant physical intimacy, and be less selective and discriminating in who Tops or bottoms for them, as long as it's the preferred gender.
Females tend to be more relationship-oriented in wanting emotional intimacy (even with forging enduring friendships), are more selective and discriminating in choice of play partner and/or in making a relationship commitment.

Both can be seeking casual play, but a male does not screen for experience, technique, and individual character attributes as much as a female does. I've noticed that female subs are drawn to more experienced, seemingly trustworthy Masters or Mistresses by whom they are not (yet) owned or if seeking to become collared.
For example, a female spankee will want an experienced spanking Top. A masochistic female will want to play with a reputable sadist at events, where she can feel safer in a group setting.
A (straight, but could also be bi) male spankee, on the other hand IME, doesn't care who wails away on his bare bottom as long as he is minimally attracted, or as long as the person willing to OTK spank him, or leather-strap spank him against the wall or while bent over bound to a spanking block, appears to be a woman doing it. In fact, male subs act as if they are willing to consider bottoming for any female who will do CFNM with them, where they get to strip down naked (so they can feel sexually objectified).

Most Doms and male switches who contact me aren't looking for a relationship -- they want kinky sex with a female who can Top them.
(I don't get contacted by females about this, so no data to report there.)

In a nutshell, when talking about submission, I don't see nearly as many service-oriented males as there are service-oriented females who profess to want an owner, when it comes to a non-sexual/non-fetishy capacity.


True. Same as why there is so much porn of women masturbating geared for men and porn of men masturbating...also geared for men. I could post a link about subjectification vs objectification of genders but I hardly think it would matter to any of these people, LOL.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:27:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Yes, because it's amusing me. I thought that much was obvious.

I dunno. Amused folks normally don't attack folks, at least in my world. But carry on.




GoddessManko -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:30:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Yes, because it's amusing me. I thought that much was obvious.

I dunno. Amused folks normally don't attack folks, at least in my world. But carry on.


ok, this is cute, the irony of it. In what way have I attacked you? Do tell. [8|]




quizzicalkitten -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:30:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Also to point out the sheer hypocrisy and dishonesty of this thread. How many "Submission 101" classes and books are out there pandering to female subs. Or male ProDoms and FinDoms? YAWN! cbt, cuckolding, foot worship and queening are definitely the same ball game. *Eye rollsssssssss* LMAO!



Not only that but how many female subs will come over and clean ones house as a trial for how good they are at providing service, I have known no female subs who are handymen, Ive had no female subs who can even compare to male subs.

While people are people men and women are completely different in what they offer to a relationship.

*This is where I post in my own experience, and do not mean to offend anyone even though people will take offense*

Male subs give more, female subs have rules and in general are bitches, men will lick your floor clean if you ask female subs will scoff.

The level of submission is quite different that is offered. most women want considerations want rules, want regulations want to tell me how far their submission goes and that its on their terms only. submissive first always....

Ive never encountered that with male subs, its all Me the Dominant first, then them the submissive second,




JstAnotherSub -> RE: m f comparisions (3/12/2015 6:35:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Yes, because it's amusing me. I thought that much was obvious.

I dunno. Amused folks normally don't attack folks, at least in my world. But carry on.


ok, this is cute, the irony of it. In what way have I attacked you? Do tell. [8|]

You have not attacked me at all. I have just been sitting down and reading whatever came across the scroll today, and several times it has taken me to threads where you were attacking others or blowing off their opinions if they disagreed with you.

I don't always agree with your posts, but you have always come off as a woman who could make her point without name calling and bitchiness. Today, not so much.

Of course, I am sure this will get a lol and lmao and an "I don't care what you think" from you, but hey, I said what I wanted to say.




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