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Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 8:12:31 AM   
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A couple of interesting books out, different link, and different sources , but ....considering there is so much ignorance about the nazis. I thought it would be interesting to bring up.



A brilliant new book by a Mexican-American historian documents how, in the Twenties and Thirties, the Nazis were inspired by what the United States had been doing to their Mexican neighbours since 1917.
In Ringside at the Revolution: An Underground Cultural History of El Paso and Juarez, David Dorado Romo establishes the US Immigration Department's systematic brutality along the Rio Grande border.
Mexican visitors were forced to strip naked and subjected to 'screening' (for homosexuality, low IQ, physical deformities like 'clubbed fingers') and to 'disinfection' with various toxic fumigants, including gasoline, kerosene, sulfuric acid, DDT and, after 1929, Zyklon-B (hydrocyanic acid) - the same gas used in the Holocaust's death camps.
The ostensible reason for the US fumigation was the fear of a typhus epidemic. Yet in 1916, the year before such 'baths' were enforced, only two cases of typhus had occurred in the poorest El Paso slum.
"This is a huge black hole in history," Romo told me. "Unfortunately, I only have oral histories and other anecdotal evidence about the harmful effects of the noxious chemicals used to disinfect and delouse the Mexican border crossers - including deaths, birth defects, cancer, etc. It may well go into the tens of thousands. It's incredible that absolutely no one, after all these years, has ever attempted to document this."
What Romo does have is shocking proof of the influence of US immigration techniques on Nazi thinking. Romo (below) quotes Hitler writing in 1924, "The American union itself... has established scientific criteria for immigration... making an immigrant's ability to set foot on American soil dependent on specific racial requirements on the one hand as well as a certain level of physical health of the individual himself."
In 1938, three years before the first death camps of the Final Solution, Nazi chemist Dr Gerhard Peters published a full account, in German science journal Anzeiger fur Sahahlinskund, of the El Paso 'disinfection' plant. He included two photos and diagrams of the machinery which sprayed Zyklon B on railroad cars. (Peters went on to acquire Zyklon B's German patent.)
It should be noted that while the Americans sprayed their victims with toxic chemicals, they restricted use of Zyklon B to freight and clothes. As the Nazis understood, spraying it

Romo’s book comes at a time when Mexican immigration is at the top of the list of US political issues directly on a human caused almost immediate death. We can only guess what effect it had on the thousands of Mexican men, women and children who, after a 'bath' in DDT or gasoline, were sent away in clothes drenched with Zyklon B.
Romo's book comes at a time when Mexican immigration is at the top of the list of US political issues. There are 12m illegals in the United States by official count, and certainly twice that unofficially. Among the solutions is the right wing's vociferous call to build a 'Berlin wall' 2,000 miles long across the entire Rio Grande border.
Unsurprisingly, Mexican Americans hate this idea. Their memories - the emerging truth of Mexican-American history - and their votes seem certain to undermine it.


Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/35581/how-america-inspired-third-reich#ixzz3UT087kV6

http://www.jewishjournal.com/sacredintentions/item/hitlers_inspiration_and_guide_the_native_american_holocaust


http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
comes this snip from a very interesting article
In an America demographically reeling from immigration upheaval and torn by post-Reconstruction chaos, race conflict was everywhere in the early twentieth century. Elitists, utopians and so-called "progressives" fused their smoldering race fears and class bias with their desire to make a better world. They reinvented Galton's eugenics into a repressive and racist ideology. The intent: populate the earth with vastly more of their own socio-economic and biological kind--and less or none of everyone else.

The superior species the eugenics movement sought was populated not merely by tall, strong, talented people. Eugenicists craved blond, blue-eyed Nordic types. This group alone, they believed, was fit to inherit the earth. In the process, the movement intended to subtract emancipated Negroes, immigrant Asian laborers, Indians, Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark-haired hill folk, poor people, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists.

How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to lifelong segregation and sterilization programs to kill their bloodlines. The grand plan was to literally wipe away the reproductive capability of those deemed weak and inferior--the so-called "unfit." The eugenicists hoped to neutralize the viability of 10 percent of the population at a sweep, until none were left except themselves.

Eighteen solutions were explored in a Carnegie-supported 1911 "Preliminary Report of the Committee of the Eugenic Section of the American Breeder's Association to Study and to Report on the Best Practical Means for Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the Human Population." Point eight was euthanasia.

The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in America was a "lethal chamber" or public locally operated gas chambers. In 1918, Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, Applied Eugenics, which argued, "From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution… Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated." Applied Eugenics also devoted a chapter to "Lethal Selection," which operated "through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency."

Eugenic breeders believed American society was not ready to implement an organized lethal solution. But many mental institutions and doctors practiced improvised medical lethality and passive euthanasia on their own. One institution in Lincoln, Illinois fed its incoming patients milk from tubercular cows believing a eugenically strong individual would be immune. Thirty to forty percent annual death rates resulted at Lincoln. Some doctors practiced passive eugenicide one newborn infant at a time. Others doctors at mental institutions engaged in lethal neglect.

Nonetheless, with eugenicide marginalized, the main solution for eugenicists was the rapid expansion of forced segregation and sterilization, as well as more marriage restrictions. California led the nation, performing nearly all sterilization procedures with little or no due process. In its first twenty-five years of eugenic legislation, California sterilized 9,782 individuals, mostly women. Many were classified as "bad girls," diagnosed as "passionate," "oversexed" or "sexually wayward." At Sonoma, some women were sterilized because of what was deemed an abnormally large clitoris or labia.

In 1933 alone, at least 1,278 coercive sterilizations were performed, 700 of which were on women. The state's two leading sterilization mills in 1933 were Sonoma State Home with 388 operations and Patton State Hospital with 363 operations. Other sterilization centers included Agnews, Mendocino, Napa, Norwalk, Stockton and Pacific Colony state hospitals.

Even the United States Supreme Court endorsed aspects of eugenics. In its infamous 1927 decision, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, "It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind…. Three generations of imbeciles are enough." This decision opened the floodgates for thousands to be coercively sterilized or otherwise persecuted as subhuman. Years later, the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials quoted Holmes's words in their own defense.

Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German officials and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti-Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. While Hitler's race hatred sprung from his own mind, the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.
- See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796#sthash.g5tjQ6Bw.dpuf


OH and for those who think im doing this because Im a brit?

I am more than aware of the atrocities and more Britain has done, for country for god, and for the unfortunates who need care(religious decisons on healthcare), oh and money....
But this history, is not well known or acknowledged.


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 8:58:02 AM   
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Around the same time the Democrats were running everything, including the KKK

Around that time a man didnt have to ask his wife for a divorce if he wanted a younger woman, he could just drive her to an insane asylum and turn her in as a loon

The whole planet was a lot more... Dysfunctional then, not just the USA

Funny how only Islam has failed to move on...







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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 9:09:34 AM   
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typical:) It was also a time of huge religious repression yanno, the judeo christian type, so whats your point.





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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 9:23:18 AM   
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From Wikipedia... In 1917 Woodrow Wilson, Democrat president and leader of the Progressive Movement, presided over "The Night Of Terror":

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The Night of Terror occurred on November 14, 1917 at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia. A group of 33 female protesters who picketed the White House in 1917 were brutally tortured and beaten by the superintendent, W.H. Whittaker and the workhouse guards.[1] These women were mostly members of the National Woman's Party (NWP), which was an organization that fought for women’s suffrage. The NWP was led by Alice Paul and Lucy Burns, and in 1917 they became first organization to picket the White House, pleading for women’s rights. They held banners denouncing President Woodrow Wilson and burned copies of his speeches, because they considered him to be an enemy of the women’s rights movement.[2] The unrelenting suffragists, who began protesting in January when Wilson took office, were prompted by the chief of police to stop picketing, even though they were only practicing their constitutional right to protest. Needless to say, the women did not stop, and arrests for “obstructing traffic” began in June. The women were imprisoned in the Occoquan Workhouse. After three days the women were released and they went right back to the White House to continue protesting.[3]

By November arrests began again, and on November 14, superintendent of the workhouse, W.H. Whittaker welcomed the 33 returning prisoners by brutally torturing and beating the women. This brutal greeting is known as the Night of Terror, but it was not the only time the women were mistreated during their imprisonment. There was continued mistreatment in the form of harsh living conditions, rancid food, being denied medical care when many of the women were ill and some very old, being denied visitors and “punishment cells."[1] Many women went on a hunger strike, sparked by the co-founder of the NWP, Alice Paul. These women were placed in solitary confinement and subject to force-feeding.[4]

After about two weeks, a court-ordered hearing for charges against the women suffragists took place. The decision of the hearing declared that every one of the 218 suffragists had been illegally arrested, illegally convicted and illegally imprisoned.[3] The Night of Terror was not addressed in the hearing. The women who were illegally imprisoned and tortured for picketing were aiming to promote women’s rights, and they were backed by the National Woman’s Party. However, when the Nineteenth Amendment for women's rights was passed in 1920, very little credit was given to the NWP.[2]

Contents

1 National Woman’s Party
2 Reason for Imprisonment
2.1 Examples of Banners
3 Nature of Imprisonment
3.1 Night of Terror
4 Repercussions
5 References

National Woman’s Party

Founded by Alice Paul and Lucy Burns in 1913, the National Woman’s Party (NWP) fought for women's suffrage. It was originally called the Congressional Union for Woman’s Suffrage (CU), until 1916 when it developed a new name, the NWP. The party broke off from a larger one, the National Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA), which was mainly in Washington. The NWP broke off from NAWSA because they wanted the woman suffrage work to be focused on the federal level, rather than only the state and local levels.[2] They opposed President Wilson, all Democrats, as well as World War 1, oftentimes finding themselves at odds with other suffragists. The NWP was an aggressive party, with goals of direct action and confrontation to send their message, rather than more the passive tactics that had been practiced in the past.[2] The NWP conducted marches, acts of civil disobedience, and they became the first group to picket the White House.[5]
Reason for Imprisonment

The National Woman’s Party (NWP) began picketing and protesting at the White House in January, when President Wilson took office. NWP members and supporters young and old were in front of the White House gates holding banners denouncing president Wilson and the Democratic Party, as well as burning copies of the President’s speeches. They opposed Wilson because he was perceived to be an enemy of the women’s rights movement. The motives of these suffragists was to promote women’s rights, their main focus being their right to vote, which had previously been denied to them.[2] The pickets continued day-in and day-out, and in June they were warned by the chief of police, Major Pullman, that if the protesting continued, there would be arrests.[3] The women were unrelenting, and just as the chief of police warned, the arrests and imprisonment for “obstructing traffic” begun.[1] The first arrests were only three day sentences, then after continued protests many women were sentenced to a 60 day imprisonment. Shortly after many women finished their 60 day sentence, 33 more returning prisoners experience an event known as the Night of Terror.[3]
Examples of Banners

A few examples of the banners they carried:

“Democracy Should Begin at Home"
“The time has come to conquer or submit, for us there can be but one choice. We have made it." (quotation from Wilson)
”Mr. President, what will you do for woman suffrage?"
“Mr. President, how long must women wait for liberty?"
“We shall fight for the things which we have always carried nearest our hearts--for democracy, for the right of those who submit to authority to have a voice in their own governments."
“Kaiser Wilson, have you forgotten your sympathy with the poor Germans because they were not self-governed? 20,000,000 American women are not self-governed. Take the beam out of your own eye." (comparing Wilson to Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany)

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Nature of Imprisonment

Aside from the fact that the women were illegally arrested for practicing their constitutional right to protest, their human rights were violated continuously throughout their imprisonments. There was continued mistreatment in the form of harsh living conditions, food infested with worms, being denied visitors, “punishment cells” and denied medical care when many of the women were ill and some very old. The women were beaten and brutally tortured.[1] Many women went on a hunger strike, sparked by the co-founder of the NWP, Alice Paul. These women were placed in solitary confinement and subject to force-feeding.[4]
Night of Terror

On the Night of Terror, November 14, 1917, a group of 33 returning prisoners, including at least one 73-year-old woman, was greeted by W.H. Whittaker and many prison guards wielding clubs. The women were brutally tortured and beaten to the point of unconsciousness.[1]

May Nolan, a 73-year-old woman with a lame leg, was literally dragged off by two guards, despite saying that she would go willingly. Dorothy Day had her arm twisted behind back and was purposefully slammed down twice over the back of an iron bench. Dora Lewis was thrown so forcefully into her cell and knocked unconscious, and for several minutes her companions believed that she was dead. Alice M. Cosu was also thrown forcefully into her cell: she suffered a heart attack and the authorities ignored the repeated requests for medical attention by many of the prisoners.[4] Some women were choked and one was stabbed between her eyes by a guard using her own broken banner. Others received concussions, lacerations and broken ribs.[6]

Lucy Burns, co-founder of the NWP, had only just finished her previous 60 day sentence, and was identified by Whittaker as the ringleader of the group. She was then manacled to her cell bars, hands above her head, and remained that way until morning; later, her clothing was removed and she was left with only a blanket. Co-founder Alice Paul remained strong despite the brutality. She went on to start a hunger strike, until she was put in solitary confinement in the psychiatric ward, and force-fed raw eggs through a tube down her throat.[6]
Repercussions

After about two weeks, a court ordered hearing for the charges against these women took place, with no mention of the Night of Terror. The case was heard by the Court of Appeals on January 8, 1918, and the decision was made in favor of the defendants on March 4, 1918. This decision was unanimous between in by all three judges, one of whom was appointed by President Wilson, a second by President Roosevelt and the third by President Taft. The decision declared that every one of the women suffragists who picketed the White House was illegally arrested, illegally convicted, and illegally imprisoned. The women could have filed suits for damages, false arrest and imprisonment at once, however they did not.[3] The women who protested, were imprisoned and involved in the Night of Terror were aiming to promote women’s rights and were backed by the National Woman’s Party. However, when the Nineteenth Amendment for women's rights was passed in 1920, very little credit was given to the NWP.[2]
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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 9:30:24 AM   
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OH and for those who think im doing this because Im a brit?

I am more than aware of the atrocities and more Britain has done, for country for god, and for the unfortunates who need care(religious decisons on healthcare), oh and money....
But this history, is not well known or acknowledged.



This is interesting. I had known about some of the atrocities along the border, although not to this extent. However, I think the Germans (both under the Kaiser and under Hitler) looked at the expansion of America, as well as the expansion of the British and French Empires and thought "Well, if they can do it, we can do it." It's also why the moralistic, self-righteous, and judgmental attitudes of the Anglo-American West tended to fall flat on the continent of Europe and elsewhere around the world.

Ultimately, I think the Nazis were mostly inspired and influenced by German nationalism and mythic folklore of their own culture, and they may have viewed the British and American expansionism and racism as alternate forms of the same basic idea they were propagating. But they may have seen it as different in form only, while neither side could claim any moral high ground over the other.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 9:47:11 AM   
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Around the same time the Democrats were running everything, including the KKK



That's not entirely true, as the Republicans held the upper hand in national government from the 1860s until the early 1930s. (Wilson was elected only because the Republicans were split in 1912 thanks to Teddy Roosevelt's third-party bid.)

The Republicans probably still would have been able to retain power if they had not caused the Great Depression (proving once again that conservative economic systems always suck). It was only then that the Democrats started gaining the upper hand, although even then, they didn't run everything. However, they did have sufficient control to get us out of the Great Depression, produce the economic power and military might to prevail in WW2, which carried over after the war to produce one of the greatest economic booms in world history. They also made serious progress in the area of civil rights, which upset the KKK Democrats and brought about a split in the party which gave the Republicans a chance at a comeback. (Although Ike would probably be considered a "RINO" by today's standards.)

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We're talking 1917?

The executive was a Democrat and both chambers in Congress had a Democratic majority, and the Democrats maintained control after the 1917 transition as well.



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We're talking 1917?

The executive was a Democrat and both chambers in Congress had a Democratic majority, and the Democrats maintained control after the 1917 transition as well.

Wait for it...soon to come is the explanation how, even though they were in power, it wasn't their fault.

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What lucy is really claiming, is that her "progressives" inspired the Nazis

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We're talking 1917?

The executive was a Democrat and both chambers in Congress had a Democratic majority, and the Democrats maintained control after the 1917 transition as well.




A tiny blip during a long period of Republican rule. The OP mentioned the 1920s and 30s, in which there were Republican executives with both chambers controlled by Republicans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/69th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/70th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_United_States_Congress

By the time of the 72nd Congress (convened in 1931), the Democrats had gained control of the House, yet the Senate and White House were still under Republican control. It wasn't until 1933 that the Democrats had control of both the House, Senate, as well as the White House.


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What lucy is really claiming, is that her "progressives" inspired the Nazis


Or maybe the Democrats did...which wouldn't be that far from the truth. However, instead of bringing up Wilson, you could have brought up Andrew Jackson, an expansionist who supported ethnic cleansing and slavery. On the other hand, he might have been considered a "liberal" in the sense that he supported expanding voting rights to all white men, not just those who owned property.


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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 12:49:47 PM   
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It was zee French and Chuck D!!!

http://ed5015.tripod.com/BEugenics72Bergman73Potter77.htm
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    The first chapter in the most definitive history of the eugenics movement12 is entitled 'Francis Galton, Founder of the Faith'. Influenced by his older cousin, Charles Darwin [Chuck D ], Galton began his lifelong quest to quantify humans, and search for ways of genetically improving the human race in about 1860. So extremely important was Darwin's idea to Galton, as Hailer states, that within six years of the publication of The Origin of Species

    '...Galton had arrived at the doctrine that he was to preach for the remainder of his life.., this became for him a new ethic and a new religion.'13

    Galton openly stated that his goal was 'to produce a highly gifted race of men by judicious marriages during several consecutive generations'. 14 In an 1865 article, he proposed that the state sponsor competitive examinations, and the male winners marry the female winners. He later suggested that the state rank people according to evolutionary superiority, and then use money 'rewards' to encourage those who were ranked high to have more children. Those ranked towards the bottom would be segregated in monasteries and convents, and watched to prevent them from propagating more of their kind.


The US was hardly the only country dabbling with eugenics. There was even a German Darwinist that was pushing the idea of race stratification in the early 1904.

While Hitler may have gotten ideas from th eUS, it wasn't like there wasn't already quite a bit of information out there already.

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It was zee French and Chuck D!!!

http://ed5015.tripod.com/BEugenics72Bergman73Potter77.htm
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    The first chapter in the most definitive history of the eugenics movement12 is entitled 'Francis Galton, Founder of the Faith'. Influenced by his older cousin, Charles Darwin [Chuck D ], Galton began his lifelong quest to quantify humans, and search for ways of genetically improving the human race in about 1860. So extremely important was Darwin's idea to Galton, as Hailer states, that within six years of the publication of The Origin of Species

    '...Galton had arrived at the doctrine that he was to preach for the remainder of his life.., this became for him a new ethic and a new religion.'13

    Galton openly stated that his goal was 'to produce a highly gifted race of men by judicious marriages during several consecutive generations'. 14 In an 1865 article, he proposed that the state sponsor competitive examinations, and the male winners marry the female winners. He later suggested that the state rank people according to evolutionary superiority, and then use money 'rewards' to encourage those who were ranked high to have more children. Those ranked towards the bottom would be segregated in monasteries and convents, and watched to prevent them from propagating more of their kind.


The US was hardly the only country dabbling with eugenics. There was even a German Darwinist that was pushing the idea of race stratification in the early 1904.

While Hitler may have gotten ideas from th eUS, it wasn't like there wasn't already quite a bit of information out there already.

“By all means, there should be no children when either mother or father suffers from such diseases as tuberculosis, gonorrhea, syphilis, cancer, epilepsy, insanity, drunkenness and mental disorders. In the case of the mother, heart disease, kidney trouble and pelvic deformities are also a serious bar to childbearing No more children should be born when the parents, though healthy themselves, find that their children are physically or mentally defective.” (“Woman and the New Race,” 1920, Chapter 7).
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/5/grossu-margaret-sanger-eugenicist/

I never knew Margaret Sanger was a Republican...I mean, with ideas like this, she MUST have been. Oh wait...that came MUCH later in life when her political views had changed.

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We're talking 1917?

The executive was a Democrat and both chambers in Congress had a Democratic majority, and the Democrats maintained control after the 1917 transition as well.




A tiny blip during a long period of Republican rule. The OP mentioned the 1920s and 30s, in which there were Republican executives with both chambers controlled by Republicans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/69th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/70th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_United_States_Congress

By the time of the 72nd Congress (convened in 1931), the Democrats had gained control of the House, yet the Senate and White House were still under Republican control. It wasn't until 1933 that the Democrats had control of both the House, Senate, as well as the White House.




The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.

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What lucy is really claiming, is that her "progressives" inspired the Nazis

once again you are flat out lying, but dont let that stop you from dribbling your asswipe

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 2:09:25 PM   
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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 3:14:18 PM   
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We're talking 1917?

The executive was a Democrat and both chambers in Congress had a Democratic majority, and the Democrats maintained control after the 1917 transition as well.




A tiny blip during a long period of Republican rule. The OP mentioned the 1920s and 30s, in which there were Republican executives with both chambers controlled by Republicans:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/66th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/67th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/68th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/69th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/70th_United_States_Congress
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/71st_United_States_Congress

By the time of the 72nd Congress (convened in 1931), the Democrats had gained control of the House, yet the Senate and White House were still under Republican control. It wasn't until 1933 that the Democrats had control of both the House, Senate, as well as the White House.




The left was just fine with Hitler and Nazism until Russia was invaded.



Left-wingers from countries such as England, the United States and France, went to fight the fascists during the Spanish Civil War



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 3:22:15 PM   
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Hitler and the Nazis had no love for the United States. They believed the US to be a decadent, corrosive culture.

The only country they held any respect for was England. Hitler liked to watch films about the British Empire in India and they pursued a policy of conciliation with us believing we were natural allies.

He was certainly 'influenced' by Darwin, except he was too stupid to understand what Darwin was actually saying.

As for gas chambers and the like, they made it up as they went along. No great plan; no great inspiration. Simply a pack of petty criminals, thugs, social misfits, pig farmers and out-and-out lunatics who would gave struggled to run a bath let alone a country.



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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 3:54:46 PM   
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Hitler and the Nazis had no love for the United States. They believed the US to be a decadent, corrosive culture.

The only country they held any respect for was England. Hitler liked to watch films about the British Empire in India and they pursued a policy of conciliation with us believing we were natural allies.

He was certainly 'influenced' by Darwin, except he was too stupid to understand what Darwin was actually saying.

As for gas chambers and the like, they made it up as they went along. No great plan; no great inspiration. Simply a pack of petty criminals, thugs, social misfits, pig farmers and out-and-out lunatics who would gave struggled to run a bath let alone a country.

Maybe so, but nevertheless it seems to be important to some people to rub Americans' noses in shit that was done a couple of hundred years ago by people who are now dead.

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RE: Nazis, literal nazis, inspired by the US? - 3/15/2015 5:33:54 PM   
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What lucy is really claiming, is that her "progressives" inspired the Nazis


As clowns go, you constanly make me laugh Bonzo.

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