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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 4:47:52 AM   
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Again where is confiscation or banning guns mentioned....surely you can do better than this.
This doesn't come close to the bar I set. That's not a coincidence either,since I don't advocate either position there is little chance of you finding any post wherein I say that.
Now if what you are looking for are posts where I suggested things you don't like...well there you go .
You found it,of course it's a big swing and miss,but hey at least you are trying



p.s Hint,banning any one class,or group ,is not equal to banning guns...and is miles away from confiscation.Which is an integral part of the position that thb postulated was mine

Hint once you can ban one class of guns you just keep redefining other guns as being of that class. Not one weapon banned by the original assault weapons ban was an assault weapon but some looked like an assault weapon, close enough.
You ban armor piercing ammunition then start claiming other ammunition as armor piercing even though it does not fit the definition.
They now want to ban all 5.56 ammo because some pistol has been chambered for it, ever hear of the buffalo bison, looks like a piece maker but chambered in 45-70 government. Dwarfs the 5.56 and neither handgun has ever been used against a police officer. However if we pretend hard enough we can say it is not banning all ammo just one type of very dangerous ammo, then keep redefining other ammo as fitting in that class. Not miles from confiscation, just inches.

While I'm at it...and before going back to sleep...I would like to look at Bama's first sentence there,wherein he suggests that a ban on one class of guns would lead to banning all guns.He follows that up by complaining that the "original assault weapons ban......"
So on the one hand a specific ban on a specific class of weapons will lead to gun Armageddon...followed by an example where that is PROVED to be so much NRA bullshit.
A few posts prior someone was making quite a fuss about taking me far too literally.....how does this contradiction pass muster ?

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 4:48:54 AM   
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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 4:54:28 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools

actually NO its automobiles..

You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.

if you don't think an auto crash is violent you've never been in one!

tell ya what, let me slam you into something solid at even just 30 MPH, forget 40, 50, 60, or higher and you tell me how VIOLENT that was!

So ... you ARE talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons, then?

That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 4:59:19 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools


actually NO its automobiles..

Yeah....sooner or later.
In every gun thread that involves children.....someone comes along and states some statistic that shows children die from accidental drownings in the family pool in far greater numbers than from gun violence.
Hence one of my tag lines.
That argument holds as much water (pun intended) as yours.
Another poster pointed out the word violence....you came along and stated car crashes are violent....agreed on the violent aspect,epic fail on the violence section.
Seems to me that a gun thread brings out some silly assed arguments and idiotic positions on the part of gun enthusiasts.
You guys throw logic out the window and are prepared to argue any silly pov as long as you can bend it to suit your aims.
If I had to perform such intellectual calisthenics to support a view that I held I would be taking a look at that view in a hard and critical manner.
Given the lengths you will go to defend this position my opinion that some of you fetishize your weapons to a sick degree looks better and better.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:01:45 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools

actually NO its automobiles..

You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.

if you don't think an auto crash is violent you've never been in one!

tell ya what, let me slam you into something solid at even just 30 MPH, forget 40, 50, 60, or higher and you tell me how VIOLENT that was!

So ... you ARE talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons, then?

That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

K.



See above ....and do please try to apply logic and reason to reading posts.
I know I use them in putting my posts together....so the least you can do is engage some when reading it

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:12:14 AM   
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>Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American

You were wrong. Again. Get over it, bozo.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:13:58 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools



And I am sure you will be back with links to back that up right? Because you wouldn't spew random bullshit without some studies proving your point, right?

What a shame this guy didn't have a gun, things might have ended differently but I know that kind of thing doesn't matter. If you don't think anyone in the country needs a gun then I guess they don't.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2014/10/03/man-mauled-dogs-detroit/16635281/

Tell you what,rather than wasting your considerably important time finding a dog bites man story...why don't you use that time to debunk my bullshit.'
Seeing as you chose the dog bites man piece of shit story I'm guessing you can't
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Okay,here is the original post that the bet was based on.....you guys can read can't you THB suggested I didn't thing ANYONE in the country needs a gun.
Anyone to me suggests that he is asserting I am for banning ALL guns.
That was the proposition.....if I wasn't clear enough,that's on me.
But if you guys are having trouble with following the bouncing ball....that's on you.
Either way ,the bar is still set at a gun ban,as in a general gun ban....which really should have been clear when I linked that to CONFISCATION.


YOU made the bet, YOU set the terms, if you weren't clear that's ON YOU

next time you at the track making bets try telling the guy you MEANT that horse would ALMOST WIN

either HONOR it or welch, your integrity is also ON YOU!

as for you linking it to confiscation you also said AND OR meaning EITHER!

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:22:37 AM   
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That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

K.


I'll jig a bit, while you do your full on ballroom swirl.

Come on, K. There's an excuse for BitYakin - if there's a way to misinterpret something, we can always rely on him to find it.

But this excuse doesn't apply to you - unless you're consciously looking for a way to misinterpret. If, by 'violent death' we mean deaths that look as though a lot of thrashing around, then we'd probably conclude that 'violence' is involved in the heart attacks of old people - probably an even bigger cause of death than automobile accidents.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:28:04 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools

actually NO its automobiles..

You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.

if you don't think an auto crash is violent you've never been in one!

tell ya what, let me slam you into something solid at even just 30 MPH, forget 40, 50, 60, or higher and you tell me how VIOLENT that was!

So ... you ARE talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons, then?

That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

K.



See above ....and do please try to apply logic and reason to reading posts.
I know I use them in putting my posts together....so the least you can do is engage some when reading it



HEYYY if you cannot use CLEAR CONSICE TERMS, its not OUR JOB to READ YOUR MIND

as for taking things LITERALLY, that might be why its call LITERACY, or ILLITERATE

soo now no matter WHAT you ACTUALLY WRITE, you'll come back welllllllllllllllll that's not what I MEANT so it don't count!

so if you type 2 + 2 = 6 and someone says NOO its 4, you'll just say well you all should have KNOWN I meant 4

hey dude its YOUR INTEGRITY, flush it away as you please!

we ALL make mistakes, someone with integrity says OPPSSS sorry you're right I misspoke, then try to explain what they actually meant

and YES I HAVE.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:37:16 AM   
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember an occasion when you misspoke, or at least framed your post in a way that allowed interpretation, and graciously acknowledged it instead of going on a rant about everybody and their extended families being idiots, or worse.

K.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:37:44 AM   
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That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

K.


I'll jig a bit, while you do your full on ballroom swirl.

Come on, K. There's an excuse for BitYakin - if there's a way to misinterpret something, we can always rely on him to find it.

But this excuse doesn't apply to you - unless you're consciously looking for a way to misinterpret. If, by 'violent death' we mean deaths that look as though a lot of thrashing around, then we'd probably conclude that 'violence' is involved in the heart attacks of old people - probably an even bigger cause of death than automobile accidents.


I didn't MISINTERPET ANYTHING!

I am held to what I ACTUALLY WRITE, so should he be!

that's why they call it LITERACY!

go ahead, take another sideways jab at me!

I read my 1st book at age 4, I can even tell ya the name of it, the little engine that could

I've been told by teachers that I have the best comprehension skills of anyone they'd ever taught, and not at a PUBLIC school either, where they produce college students who when asked if their broken right hand, and using their left hand to shoot free throws is a problem and answer NO not at all I'm amphibious


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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:40:21 AM   
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I didn't MISINTERPET ANYTHING!

I am held to what I ACTUALLY WRITE, so should he be!


So, that's what you genuinely thought he meant by 'violent'?

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:50:57 AM   
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Interesting. What would you think might be more of a threat to an American life, violence wise, THB?



Really angry people who are likely to use any means available to hurt others.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:51:28 AM   
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That's a nice dance act, but dying in a car crash is definitely a violent death. Nobody said anything about "deliberate."

K.


I'll jig a bit, while you do your full on ballroom swirl.

Come on, K. There's an excuse for BitYakin - if there's a way to misinterpret something, we can always rely on him to find it.

But this excuse doesn't apply to you - unless you're consciously looking for a way to misinterpret. If, by 'violent death' we mean deaths that look as though a lot of thrashing around, then we'd probably conclude that 'violence' is involved in the heart attacks of old people - probably an even bigger cause of death than automobile accidents.



also, thrashing around is not in and of itself an indication of violence, lots of thrashing around during sex, my grandfather would have said "you call that thrashing around DANCING?"

and BTW, I've seen people having a heart attack, usually they rub their left arm, clutch their chest, often times either sit down, lay down, or fall down, but don't THRASH AROUND. I suppose it may happen occasionally, but not as a rule...

hmm now who's trying to deliberately misinterpret things?

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:55:07 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools



And I am sure you will be back with links to back that up right? Because you wouldn't spew random bullshit without some studies proving your point, right?

What a shame this guy didn't have a gun, things might have ended differently but I know that kind of thing doesn't matter. If you don't think anyone in the country needs a gun then I guess they don't.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2014/10/03/man-mauled-dogs-detroit/16635281/

Tell you what,rather than wasting your considerably important time finding a dog bites man story...why don't you use that time to debunk my bullshit.'
Seeing as you chose the dog bites man piece of shit story I'm guessing you can't
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You made the claim, it's up to you to back it up. I chose the dog story because it's one instance when a gun might have saved the guy. You claimed the number one threat was another armed man, I was just showing there were other threats out there. And unlike you I provided a link to show what I was talking about. So where is yours?

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 5:56:58 AM   
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Interesting. What would you think might be more of a threat to an American life, violence wise, THB?

Obviously vicious dogs....though I think left leaning posters come in second


Please don't start projecting your bigoted partisan attitude on me.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 6:05:05 AM   
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I didn't MISINTERPET ANYTHING!

I am held to what I ACTUALLY WRITE, so should he be!


So, that's what you genuinely thought he meant by 'violent'?


to be absolutely honest when I saw violence wise, the VERY FIRST THING that entered my mind was how VIOLENT an auto accident is...

so let me ask this, if we are going to remove auto crashes where there was criminal intent, and discount the rest as "accidents" do we get to do the same where guns are concerned?

you guys want to have your cake an eat it to, you don't want to count auto crashes cause its an "accident" but if a gun accident happens OOOH MY GODDDD those DAM GUNS KILLED ANOTHER ONE!



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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 6:13:48 AM   
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember an occasion when you misspoke, or at least framed your post in a way that allowed interpretation, and graciously acknowledged it instead of going on a rant about everybody and their extended families being idiots, or worse.

K.




were you asking me?

if so yes, once I was wrong in a math calculation, and got called to the mat for it, not POLITELY EITHER

I came back and admitted my mistake, and tried to explain how my mind jumped to a false conclusion...

luckily for me I didn't make it in the form of a BET, but if I had I would have honored the terms!

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 6:16:02 AM   
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember an occasion when you misspoke, or at least framed your post in a way that allowed interpretation, and graciously acknowledged it instead of going on a rant about everybody and their extended families being idiots, or worse.

K.



K, please stop this snide stuff. I know where you want to go with it and I can't see how it adds anything useful to anything.

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RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA - 3/21/2015 6:16:42 AM   
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Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools



And I am sure you will be back with links to back that up right? Because you wouldn't spew random bullshit without some studies proving your point, right?

What a shame this guy didn't have a gun, things might have ended differently but I know that kind of thing doesn't matter. If you don't think anyone in the country needs a gun then I guess they don't.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2014/10/03/man-mauled-dogs-detroit/16635281/

While we are asking for links....please supply me with the link wherein I said no one in the country needs a gun.


Did I say that you said that? Yea, didn't think so. But I am not surprised to see you lie and claim I did.

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You do that,and I will search for studies supporting my assertions.
We could make this interesting....the minute you find any post of mine where I assert a need to ban and or confiscate guns,one little post...and you will have my word that I won't post on any future gun bans.


Here ya go sweet cheeks...

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4324988/mpage_7/key_assault%252Cweapon%252Cban/tm.htm#4326103

Kinda of an interesting read. You start off with this statement "Lets get one thing real clear real quick...I have never ever advocated confiscation of guns ,not in any way shape or form."

and then go on to tell us this..

"We need serious gun control,we need to close the gun show loophole,we need an assault weapon ban,we need to outlaw large magazines,we need to micro stamp ammunition,we need to take a serious look at bio-metric technology for weapons yet to be manufactured . "

makes me wonder if you were having med problems that day.

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You don't find said post you come back here and admit you are just one more right wing,neo con poster,no better no worse than all the other neo con,right wing dip...er,posters here.
How about it thb,you a gambling girl ?


So now I guess I have to admit you are just making shit up again and we can't really trust anything you post. No better no worse than the other trollish liars we see on both sides of the fence.

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