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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 8:26:20 AM   
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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 8:34:51 AM   
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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 8:40:41 AM   
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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 1:01:11 PM   
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I suspect that particular comparison & contrast will come up often. I heard him answer it on the Hannity show.
are you saying he was creepy looking on the video in particular, or you just find him that way in general?
I watched a little of marco Rubio today on the five and he said he'll be making an "announcement about something" on april 13th.
last week rand paul said a similar thing on the Kelly file for the 7th.


He is creepy looking in that video. I hadn't really seen him talk or anything before, and I'm going to go out on a very, very short limb, and say that he's likely to be creepy looking to me overall. lol

I haven't watched anything from Rubio. I can't really say much about him.

I like Rand's dad more than I like Rand. Ron was, imo, the most libertarian of libertarians, and I find Rand to be halfway between Libertarian and Republican. I like his "limited government" talk, and that balancing the budget is a priority for him. But, his budgets all increase defense spending while balancing the budget in 5 years, or something like that. Imagine how much quicker the budget would be balanced if we also cut defense spending. The only way to rationalize defense spending increases is by accepting that today's level of defense spending is right, or not high enough already. I do not accept either of those cases.



Marco Rubio, as the Republican rebuttal to President Obama's State of the Union Speech (2012?).

Its tough to make a rebuttal speech regardless of party. The President (whomever they are) have had days if not weeks to form a speech that hits all the high notes and minimizes the low ones. Unlike two debating teams were each is reacting to the stuff from the other, Mr. Rubio does not have the luxury of 'taking some time to dwell on things and consider them.'. So his response does sound 'off the cuff' and 'not rehearsed'. There are many mistakes within it.

What most people remember of Mr. Rubio's response was not the words or ideas. Its this moment. Can you say 'ackward'? I know you can....


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 5:23:00 PM   
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I do too a little...id like to see a smaller govt (much more so on the federal side), less laws, and more free market solutions/innovations and that's not likely to happen---especially if we get more democrats running the place.


We definitely won't get that stuff to happen if Democrats run the place, but the GOP isn't too far behind them.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 5:41:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
Marco Rubio, as the Republican rebuttal to President Obama's State of the Union Speech (2012?).
Its tough to make a rebuttal speech regardless of party. The President (whomever they are) have had days if not weeks to form a speech that hits all the high notes and minimizes the low ones. Unlike two debating teams were each is reacting to the stuff from the other, Mr. Rubio does not have the luxury of 'taking some time to dwell on things and consider them.'. So his response does sound 'off the cuff' and 'not rehearsed'. There are many mistakes within it.
What most people remember of Mr. Rubio's response was not the words or ideas. Its this moment. Can you say 'ackward'? I know you can....


Thanks for the link.

The guy had to get a drink of water because his mouth was dry. I'm not surprised. I can say ackward, but it seemed more awkward to me.

Based on that State of the Union (from 2013 to answer your question) rebuttal, I like Rubio better than I like Cruz, based on the A/V tests. He doesn't sound like a preacherman, like Cruz, and he isn't anywhere near as creepy looking, either.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 6:21:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't disagree, there are a lot of "big government" republicans...I think that's why there's a lot of in-fighting in the republican party. there are so many of them that seem to be "democrat lite."


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 6:31:00 PM   
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there are a lot of "big government" republicans

Such as?

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/1/2015 7:09:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		im speaking in broad generalities, but most anyone who would be considered a "moderate republican" or an "establishment republican" are also seen as "big government".

George bush, much as I liked him personally, was one. john McCain is viewed that way. id put mitt Romney in that camp.

if you are really interested:

the cato institute does a governor's report that rates governors on, among other things, reducing taxes and spending (so shrinking govt size). anyone who's earning a C or below might be considered a "big government republican."

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/fiscal-policy-report-card-americas-governors-2014

the American conservative union does a similar thing with federal and state legislators.

http://acuratings.conservative.org/

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 7:37:23 AM   
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Ted Cruz raked in around $4 million in the eight days following his presidential kickoff last week, his campaign announced Thursday.

The Texas Republican, the first candidate to formally launch a 2016 campaign, has capitalized on a wave of attention since kicking off his campaign last week at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia...

The Cruz campaign said 95 percent of the donations they received between his announcement on March 23 until the end of the first quarter on March 31 were for $100 or less...

It’s encouraging that so many were small donors, too. This is one area the Republicans have been awful in, always relying on the octogenarian harumph money. There are people who want to be involved, but can’t be involved for $1000 every time you ask them.

Cruz definitely has enthusiastic supporters but it remains to be seen whether this first week will encourage some new support.


http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/02/cruz-campaign-picks-up-4-million-in-first-8-days/

and its just amazing how much it costs to run for political office...

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 8:49:34 AM   
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im speaking in broad generalities, but most anyone who would be considered a "moderate republican" or an "establishment republican" are also seen as "big government".

George bush, much as I liked him personally, was one. john McCain is viewed that way. id put mitt Romney in that camp.

if you are really interested:

the cato institute does a governor's report that rates governors on, among other things, reducing taxes and spending (so shrinking govt size). anyone who's earning a C or below might be considered a "big government republican."

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/fiscal-policy-report-card-americas-governors-2014

the American conservative union does a similar thing with federal and state legislators.

http://acuratings.conservative.org/



I didnt see Obama on these lists, and he has reduced government greatly.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 11:39:00 AM   
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By DAVID HORSEY

Ted Cruz has a sharp legal mind driving his tea party radicalism
As a presidential candidate, Ted Cruz wants a debate about the Constitution
If I were to mirror the example of the delusional right-wing folks who have spent seven years creating apocalyptic fantasies about how Barack Obama is a communistic, Muslim Antichrist, I could probably manufacture some scary characterizations of the first announced candidate for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination, Ted Cruz — but I won’t. Instead, I want to compare him favorably to his ideological soul mate, Sarah Palin, which may be even more scary.

Both the Texas senator and the former Alaska governor oppose abortion and same-sex marriage. They both want a smaller federal government and a more confrontational foreign policy. They want to repeal Obamacare and seal up the borders. Both are darlings of the tea party. Neither believes climate change is real. When they are in front of evangelical Christian crowds, they talk freely about salvation and prayer warriors. Both are so ambitious that they barely warmed the seats in their first major elected offices before jumping into campaigns at the highest level of national politics.

On just about everything, Cruz and Palin are on the same page. The difference is that the page Cruz reads from is in a law book, while Palin’s is in People magazine.


Palin is pretty much the embodiment of scatterbrained. Her off-the-cuff speeches are hilarious, nonsensical contortions of the English language. Her occasional stints as a pundit on Fox News are so daffy that even the sympathetic conservative hosts seem baffled by her blather. She is an attractive celebrity who is a good fit for a TV reality show, not for any position that would allow her to get her manicured fingers on the nuclear codes.

Cruz, on the other hand, has a sharp mind that has been marinated in conservative thought since he was a teenager. After graduating from Princeton University, he went to Harvard Law School where, according to one of his professors, Alan Dershowitz, Cruz excelled. He went on to a stint as a law clerk for Chief Justice William Rehnquist and eventually served as solicitor general of Texas. Cruz has written 80 Supreme Court briefs and presented oral arguments before the justices nine times.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 11:41:53 AM   
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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 11:52:07 AM   
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its just amazing how much it costs to run for political office...

Agreed.

I think a lot of what ails our body politic stems from that. Our politicians are fund-raisers as much (or more) than they are leaders.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/3/2015 12:38:41 PM   
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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/6/2015 10:15:43 PM   
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Isnt cruz the punkassmotherfucker who wants to take 500,000 high paying jobs away from american citizens by importing a half million foriegn workers to take their place?

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/7/2015 6:15:29 AM   
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Isnt cruz the punkassmotherfucker who wants to take 500,000 high paying jobs away from american citizens by importing a half million foriegn workers to take their place?


brilliant post---yeah, ted cruz looked around the country and said "I have a good idea" lets bring in a half million immigrants so that we can fire the americans who are presently holding these positions."

or this: "There is a current shortage of qualified high-skilled workers in the U.S., with an estimated 230,000 advanced-degree STEM jobs going unfilled by 2018.

"Additionally, more H-1B workers mean more jobs for American workers – according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute, for every additional 100 H-1B workers, 183 jobs are created for U.S. citizens."

and for what it's worth, this is in reference to an amendment to the "gang of 8" bill from a couple of years ago, addressing immigration. and the "gang of 8" is a bi-partisan effort (so feel free to rail against them) that already suggested doubling the amount of high skilled immigration. cruz just put forth there is no reason to arbitrarily cap that number at 110,000 and he suggested raising to ~300,000.

he also wants foreign students with technical degrees to be able to stay in America for work after their student visas expire, instead of having to go back to their home countries.

http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=137

of course, i suppose the only good immigration is the illegal kind...


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/7/2015 6:45:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is no shortage of high tech american workers. There is just a shortage of those willing to work for less than half pay.
American citizens who are machine tool programers make $90-$120 an hour. Cruz wants to bring in foriegners at $40 per hour.
Is there something wrong with american citizens making good wages or is $100 an hour too much for someone who works for a living.

How is not employing an american citizen going to create 1.8 jobs? If paying an h1b worker 40-80 bux an hour adds 1.8 jobs per person how about we dont employ that h1b guy and employ am american citizen who (will be more llike to spend their money here) and his contribution would be the same 1.8 plus himself.
As for illegal aliens I know how to get them to leave on their own, It is quite simple really all we have to do is enforce the existing law. There are two sorts of illegal aliens. Those who have overstayed their visa and those who have crossed the boarder illegally. Employing the first class of illegal alien is a misdemenor. Employing the second class is a felony and punishable by a fine of $250,000 and five years in a federal penitentuary. So lets say wally world employs a hundred illegals of the second class...that would be five hundred years in the joint and a $25m fine. Employing illegals of the second class at that magnitude would most surely invoke the ricco laws which means confiscation of all assetts. Put the punks who are making the money on this scam in the slammer and there will be no one to hire them and they will leave on their own nickle. f course anyone with the balls that god gave a girlscout could just walk right up and effect a citizens arrest and take home 10% of the fine as a reward. So far there have been few takers.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/7/2015 2:16:00 PM   
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There is no shortage of high tech american workers.


given a choice between ted cruz saying there is, and you saying there are not. I am going to go with ted cruz.

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How is not employing an american citizen going to create 1.8 jobs?


your question presumes that your "there is no shortage of high tech American workers" is a true statement. see my above response. but the essence of the question is, "how does one high tech job help to create 1.8 jobs?" I don't know the answer to that. I would simply refer you to the study ted cruz is referencing.

any other interpretation of what he has said is essentially absurdly cynical (cruz wants to bring in foreigners so they can work for less and displace American workers) to the point of being fiction.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 4/7/2015 2:49:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ja, because Ted Cruz knows high tech. But the rest of the comments, as well as your first, are absurd in reality, having no matching congruence with it.

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