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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/24/2015 8:52:43 PM   
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Actually you still have it wrong,not to split hairs but it was to you.....the thing is the "He" referenced wasn't you....it was Cruz.


But I appreciate the apology.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/24/2015 9:29:48 PM   
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Actually you still have it wrong,not to split hairs but it was to you.....the thing is the "He" referenced wasn't you....it was Cruz.


But I appreciate the apology.

This is what you said

Stop telling lies about the law would be a good start....just sayin


No "he" in your post, that would have changed the meaning completely.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/24/2015 9:40:20 PM   
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In answer to the question..."Do you think he should have disobeyed the law"

I'm getting a picture of a guy beating a dead horse.....how about we just call it a misunderstanding and move on ?

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/24/2015 9:46:24 PM   
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this is from 2008 and politifact (yes, a fact checking organization) rated Obama's "if you like your health care plan you get keep it" statement as "true."

and then five years later, rated that same statement as the 2013 "lie of the year"

that should be enough "evidence" of that we should treat fact checkers with skepticism. sometimes they get it wrong.

but then, ive since learned that fact checkers are "automatically" wrong when (because) they disagree with my position as an anti-science right wing ideologue. so there's that too to be mindful of...

(I trust that goes for the rest of my fellow low-brow, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers who argue from my side of the aisle too)




Yes, Senator Obama got it wrong and even call it a lie of you wish but let's look at why.

Business America looked at the 'fine print' and lo and behold...they could just dump your ass in millions of cases.

So Obama could be held accountable for not predicting the continued unadulterated greed of the American busimess community. Why am I not suprised ?
And Obama should not be held accountable even though he knew...no need to predict...that he could not fulfill that promise because his own advisors had told him so? Even though he knew that there was NOTHING set in place that would force doctors to accept Obamacare plans?


Actually Drs. would be taking ObamaCare patients and would be crazy not to but a new policy may not include doctors from an employer's plan. Don't know that any Drs. would need to be 'forced' into any insurance plan given that there would be the same or very similar coverage as the employer's plan.

And I don't profess to know what Obama's advisers did or didn't tell him.

So he got wrong exactly the difference in any given employer's plan vis-a-vis a new ObamaCare plan.

Still, in a presidential and historical perspective...kinda small potatoes.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/24/2015 9:48:57 PM   
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This President doesn't have any "small potatoes" hiccups....the right see's to that.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 6:21:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is from 2008 and politifact (yes, a fact checking organization) rated Obama's "if you like your health care plan you get keep it" statement as "true."

and then five years later, rated that same statement as the 2013 "lie of the year"

that should be enough "evidence" of that we should treat fact checkers with skepticism. sometimes they get it wrong.

but then, ive since learned that fact checkers are "automatically" wrong when (because) they disagree with my position as an anti-science right wing ideologue. so there's that too to be mindful of...

(I trust that goes for the rest of my fellow low-brow, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers who argue from my side of the aisle too)




Yes, Senator Obama got it wrong and even call it a lie of you wish but let's look at why.

Business America looked at the 'fine print' and lo and behold...they could just dump your ass in millions of cases.

So Obama could be held accountable for not predicting the continued unadulterated greed of the American busimess community. Why am I not suprised ?
And Obama should not be held accountable even though he knew...no need to predict...that he could not fulfill that promise because his own advisors had told him so? Even though he knew that there was NOTHING set in place that would force doctors to accept Obamacare plans?


Actually Drs. would be taking ObamaCare patients and would be crazy not to but a new policy may not include doctors from an employer's plan. Don't know that any Drs. would need to be 'forced' into any insurance plan given that there would be the same or very similar coverage as the employer's plan.

And I don't profess to know what Obama's advisers did or didn't tell him.

So he got wrong exactly the difference in any given employer's plan vis-a-vis a new ObamaCare plan.

Still, in a presidential and historical perspective...kinda small potatoes.
Yes...doctors would be crazy not to take a smaller amount of money with increased paperwork and hoops to jump through in order to get paid and yet:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/27/insurers-aca-exchange-plans-lower-reimbursements-doctors/17747839/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/04/doctors-begin-to-refuse-obamacare-patients/

http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/over-214000-doctors-opt-out-obamacare-exchanges

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/08/03/337071268/two-doctors-weigh-whether-to-accept-obamacare-plans

But hey...it's all just small potatoes, right?

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 6:40:36 AM   
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hmmm the cns link has been deemed false


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/nov/06/chain-email/chain-email-claims-214000-doctors-refuse-take-pati/

Are doctors en masse refusing patients who gained health care coverage due to the Affordable Care Act?

That’s the claim in a chain email a reader asked us to check. "More, truly scary Obamacare news," said the email, sent just before Halloween.

The accompanying story was from CNSnews.com, a site operated by the conservative Media Research Center.

"Over 214,000 Doctors Opt Out of Obamacare Exchanges," read a headline on CNSnews.com.

We found the source of the claim. It was coming from American Action Forum, a self-described "center-right policy institute." The organization put out an analysis on Oct. 27 titled: "Health Care Providers are Opting-Out of Obamacare Exchange Plans."

How many? According to the post, "as many as 214,524 American physicians will not be participating in any (Affordable Care Act) exchange products." It went on to list some reasons "doctors are opting out of the exchange plans."

That’s a lot of doctors. Have that many decided to turn away patients with insurance purchased on the marketplaces?

Let’s take a look.

Can doctors opt out of Obamacare exchanges?

The Affordable Care Act requires essentially everyone to have insurance. To make it easier for people to buy insurance, the government created federal and state insurance marketplaces, sometimes called exchanges. The biggest one is HealthCare.gov, but some states elected to operate their own as well.

These marketplace policies are private plans sold by insurance companies. In some states, just one or two companies are providing plans; in others, it’s many. Consumers typically have dozens of choices ranging from bronze policies, which pay 60 percent of health costs on average, to platinum, which pay 90 percent of costs. (For comparison, a typical employer-based plan covers about 80 percent of costs.)

Can doctors choose not to participate in the networks of policies purchased on exchanges? Sure. While some states require doctors to accept any plan for an insurance provider they do business with, in most cases insurance companies are constantly negotiating with physicians and hospitals to determine which policy networks they will participate in, experts and industry officials told us.

Some doctors might decide they don’t want to be in the network of plans purchased on federal or state marketplaces. In other instances, insurance providers might choose not to include certain doctors or health groups in policies they created for the marketplaces.

It’s a two-way street, and marketplace policies are just the latest twist to a contracting process that has always existed between doctors and insurance companies.

200,000 doctors?

We asked American Action Forum to explain their analysis to us. The organization based its findings on an April survey from the Medical Group Management Association, a trade organization for physician groups.

"The survey found that 23.5 percent of doctors said they would not participate in (Affordable Care Act) exchange plans," said Marisol Garibay, spokeswoman for American Action Forum.

That percentage was multiplied by the total number of professional active physicians, which Kaiser Family Foundation estimates is 893,851. That equals 210,054 doctors, close to the American Action Forum number. Garibay called it an "upper bound" estimate.

But when we looked at the survey ourselves, we found this to be a pretty dubious figure.

Here’s the rub, from the research: "The survey includes responses from more than 700 medical groups in which more than 40,000 physicians practice nationwide."

While there’s a lot of interesting information gleaned from this survey, the results cannot be extrapolated to represent all the doctors in the country. Why not? Because the Medical Group Management Association only represents doctors who are part of medical groups. This does not include physicians who run independent practices, for example, and there’s no reason that a poll of 700 medical groups is representative of all 900,000 physicians in the country.

"That’s a significant difference," said Anders Gilberg, a senior vice president of government affairs for Medical Group Management Association. "I wouldn’t generally suggest using it as a proxy for all physicians."

Let’s put that aside for a second and dig further. The survey found that as of April, 76.5 percent of respondents were accepting health insurance sold on a state or federal marketplace.

Of those not participating in marketplace policies, 42 percent said it was because insurance companies in their area didn’t ask them to participate in the networks of plans sold on marketplaces.

Meaning, even if this limited survey could be extrapolated to represent all doctors, not all of them are "opting out" of Obamacare. Many — almost half — weren’t asked to participate in ACA marketplace policies.

Why weren’t they asked? One reason is that the insurance companies want to limit which doctors will serve their customers by creating narrow networks. Narrow networks are a way for insurance providers to keep costs lower for insurers.

How? If you create a narrow network, it guarantees a doctor will get a bigger share of your patients, and a doctor would be willing to accept lower reimbursement rates in exchange for more business.

Narrow networks are also more common on the exchanges because consumers can pick the plan with the doctors that fit their needs, said Paul Ginsburg, a professor of the practice of health policy and management at University of Southern California.

"Employer plans tend to have a broad network because they’re trying to satisfy everyone (at the company)," Ginsburg said. "On an exchange, you don’t have to satisfy everyone with one policy, you can offer many, so you can have narrower plans."

There are plenty of broad plans on the exchanges, they just tend to be more expensive. According to a May survey of individuals likely to use the marketplace, 54 percent said they would accept more limited networks to get a cheaper sticker price. As it is, 85 percent of plans bought on federal and state marketplaces were the less expensive bronze or silver plans, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

To be sure, it appears some doctors want nothing to do with these cheaper marketplace plans or the customers who buy them.

Among other things, doctors worry that many of the plans on the marketplace, particularly bronze and silver plans, have high deductibles. Some patients won’t be able to meet their obligations for cost-sharing, potentially forcing physicians to eat those costs or shake down customers.

These are legitimate concerns, and there is reason to believe that some doctors are choosing not to contract with marketplace insurance plans. But there is no evidence to suggest the number is anywhere near 214,000.

Our ruling

A chain email claimed that more than 214,000 American doctors are "opting-out of Obamacare exchange plans." That is based on a survey of a select group of doctors and even the makers of the survey said it can’t be extrapolated for the entire country. Further, of the doctors responding to the survey, 42 percent said they weren’t participating in marketplace plans because they were never asked to, not because they were "opting out."

The estimate is the result of a flawed methodology and a misreading of survey data. We rate the claim False.


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 7:00:17 AM   
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Hmmm...deemed false by a site known for its bias.

http://www.politifactbias.com/?m=1

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 7:21:48 AM   
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Hmmm...deemed false by a site known for its bias.

http://www.politifactbias.com/?m=1

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

I took a look at the last of these links.

The piece is under the heading 'opinion' which was the most accurate thing about the 'analysis' because that's all it was - opinion not analysis. The key paragraph in the 'analysis' is:
"The fact that, as the Lichter study shows, "A majority of Democratic statements (54 percent) were rated as mostly or entirely true, compared to only 18 percent of Republican statements," probably has more to do with how the statements were picked and the subjective bias of the fact checker involved than anything remotely empirical. Likewise, the fact that "a majority of Republican statements (52 percent) were rated as mostly or entirely false, compared to only 24 percent of Democratic statements" probably has more to do with spinning stories than it does with evaluating statements."
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

No link to the Lichter study was provided. Note that in both the instances the 'analysis' disputed, it asserted that the fact checkers found the Reps far more likely to tell lies was "probably has more to do" with how the checked facts were chosen, and "probably" has more to do with spin than anything else. So it might have been due to bias or it might have been due to something else. We don't know. Nor, by his own account, does the author know either. Hardly definitive analysis no matter which standard one uses.

In short this 'analysis' is little more than a partisan smear with precious little in the form of facts to back up its assertions. If you find this persuasive, there are lots of people out there with bridges to sell that will find you a very interesting prospect, or to put that more directly, you are gullible.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 7:43:30 AM   
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LMAO CNS Is and has been well known to be a front for the right since I came onboard...so please dont think your perfection is perfect.





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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 8:16:26 AM   
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Seems like there just might be a few lies floating around out there where the ACA is concerned....curious indeed

A person could base a whole new career on debunking this bullshit.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 10:03:19 AM   
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well Jeff sessions is getting irate about the fact that obamacare is paying five million per person...poor sweetie, should check his figures before he takes to the floor, otherwise he might be seen as ...stupid, lying or scaremongering? OR just plain stupid and mistaken. Take your pick, LMAO

Sessions stumbles on ‘simple multiplication’
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), the chairman of the House Rules Committee, has earned an unfortunate reputation. The six-term congressman and former chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee just doesn’t seem overly interested in substantive details.

About a year ago, for example, Sessions seemed to forget what a “witch hunt’ is. The year before, Sessions said he believes it’s “immoral” to extend jobless aid to “long-term unemployments [sic].” Around the same time, the congressman said the House should stop worrying about governing and focus exclusively on “messaging.”

Earlier this month, the Texas Republican said he holds President Obama “personally accountable” for murders committed by undocumented immigrants, pointing to imaginary evidence.

Yesterday, Sessions added a mathematical error to his list of greatest hits.

In an apparent miscalculation, House Rules Committee Chairman Pete Sessions (R-Texas) claimed Tuesday that ObamaCare will cost $5 million per person.

Precisely how Sessions arrived at that calculation during House floor debate on the budget is unclear.

Yes, on the House floor yesterday, the GOP lawmaker not only failed to do his math homework before speaking, he presented his false argument in a surprisingly condescending way for someone who didn’t know what he was talking about.

If you just do simple multiplication,” Sessions said, “12 million [consumers] into $108 billion, we are talking literally every single [ACA] recipient would be costing this government more than $5 million per person for their insurance. It’s staggering…. $108 billion for 12 million people is immoral. It’s unconscionable.

Let’s take Sessions’ advice and “do simple multiplication.”

I’m no mathematician, but when I put 12 million into $108 billion, I get $9,000, not $5 million. Sessions’ $5 million per-person estimate was only off by $4,991,000.

But as Glenn Kessler explained, that’s really just the start of the congressman’s troubles.

None of Sessions’ numbers make much sense, however. The Congressional Budget Office, in a March report, said that the cost of coverage in fiscal 2016 for Obamacare (in the exchanges and Medicaid expansion) would be $95 billion, after penalty payments and other revenue. But the reduction in the number of uninsured Americans would be 23 million people.

So if you do the math correctly, that’s a cost of $4,130 per uninsured individual in 2016. So that’s more than half the figure that would have resulted from properly dividing Sessions’ numbers. The CBO also reports that about 15 million people on insurance exchanges would qualify for insurance subsidies – and the average subsidy would be $4,040 per person.

Kessler added, “Senior lawmakers should not be uttering nonsense math on the House floor.”

As for the House debate yesterday, Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Rules Committee, responded to Sessions by saying, “Nobody ever paid $5 million for anybody’s health care in a single year. It’s the most atrocious thing I think I’ve heard on this floor.”

She added, “Mr. and Ms. America, these are the people you’ve entrusted your Congress to. They’re the people who are writing your budget.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sessions-stumbles-simple-multiplication?cid=sm_fb_maddow

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 1:27:48 PM   
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I do
english ones, canadian ones and american ones
the others I ignore


ETHNIC DISCRIMINATION!!!!

Why can't you hate all politicians, regardless of their location?!? Huh? Why, Lucy? What's wrong with them? Do they not come from a good enough country for your ire?

LMAO!!


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 1:34:13 PM   
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This just in:
Ted Cruz, one of the loudest critics of Obamacare, will soon be using it for health insurance coverage.
"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care, and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz, a Republican candidate for president, told The Des Moines Register on Tuesday.
Cruz's wife, Heidi, is going on an unpaid leave of absence from her job at Goldman Sachs to join Cruz full time on the campaign trail, Cruz told the Register.
Bloomberg was first to report that Heidi Cruz has taken the leave. CNN noted that Cruz, who has boasted about not needing to receive government health care benefits, would no longer be covered under his wife's health insurance plan.
Cruz confirmed that to the Register.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-health-insurance-obamacare/70384334/


That's not surprising. He isn't taking government health care benefits, so he'll have to buy some since his wife is no longer covering them. God forbid he follow the law...


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 1:38:03 PM   
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The link isn't working Bama


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326409-obamacare-requires-congress-staff-to-buy-gold-level-insurance-plan


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 1:58:06 PM   
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OK ALL politicians, *yanno NOW Im generalizing(bad Lucy)*
does.....just the ones Ive been directly affected by....work for you?





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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 3:14:30 PM   
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The link isn't working Bama


http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326409-obamacare-requires-congress-staff-to-buy-gold-level-insurance-plan


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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 3:47:03 PM   
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this is from 2008 and politifact (yes, a fact checking organization) rated Obama's "if you like your health care plan you get keep it" statement as "true."

and then five years later, rated that same statement as the 2013 "lie of the year"

that should be enough "evidence" of that we should treat fact checkers with skepticism. sometimes they get it wrong.

but then, ive since learned that fact checkers are "automatically" wrong when (because) they disagree with my position as an anti-science right wing ideologue. so there's that too to be mindful of...

(I trust that goes for the rest of my fellow low-brow, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers who argue from my side of the aisle too)




Yes, Senator Obama got it wrong and even call it a lie of you wish but let's look at why.

Business America looked at the 'fine print' and lo and behold...they could just dump your ass in millions of cases.

So Obama could be held accountable for not predicting the continued unadulterated greed of the American busimess community. Why am I not suprised ?
And Obama should not be held accountable even though he knew...no need to predict...that he could not fulfill that promise because his own advisors had told him so? Even though he knew that there was NOTHING set in place that would force doctors to accept Obamacare plans?


Actually Drs. would be taking ObamaCare patients and would be crazy not to but a new policy may not include doctors from an employer's plan. Don't know that any Drs. would need to be 'forced' into any insurance plan given that there would be the same or very similar coverage as the employer's plan.

And I don't profess to know what Obama's advisers did or didn't tell him.

So he got wrong exactly the difference in any given employer's plan vis-a-vis a new ObamaCare plan.

Still, in a presidential and historical perspective...kinda small potatoes.
Yes...doctors would be crazy not to take a smaller amount of money with increased paperwork and hoops to jump through in order to get paid and yet:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/27/insurers-aca-exchange-plans-lower-reimbursements-doctors/17747839/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/04/doctors-begin-to-refuse-obamacare-patients/

http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/barbara-boland/over-214000-doctors-opt-out-obamacare-exchanges

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/08/03/337071268/two-doctors-weigh-whether-to-accept-obamacare-plans

But hey...it's all just small potatoes, right?

As I wrote, Obama's error in a historical perspective is small potatoes.

Economically and in the American business perspective, everything is 'big' potatoes, when it comes to income or a profit.

As for the Dr's. reimbursement, I am crying an ocean of tears. As I have also written, in all of my years, I haven't met a Dr. that didn't think he was entitled to be a millionaire.

Funny how all of those Drs. in all of those other counties can make very good money with lower reimbursements.

What we discuss is America's core business values...greed.

We had a buyer come into our RE office, applied for a mortgage, owed a Dr. $100,000 for surgery for his wife. He stilled qualified for an FHA loan. The comments ranged around "that $100K won't even put off his next trip to Bimini.

Wait until 70-80% of ALL people can't afford a Dr. Then where will they go ?

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 3:54:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Hmmm...deemed false by a site known for its bias.

http://www.politifactbias.com/?m=1

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolitiFact.com

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

But the people in the business consulted in the 'fact checks' in Lucy's post are not biased, they are the payers (insurance cos.) and practitioners and there is no need for crazy obviously biased, mathematical extrapolations as found in your sources.

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RE: First to throw his hat in the ring - 3/25/2015 4:21:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
OK ALL politicians, *yanno NOW Im generalizing(bad Lucy)*
does.....just the ones Ive been directly affected by....work for you?


That's still discrimination. lol


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