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joether -> RE: Gun goes off in Altoona church during Easter Vigil mass (4/6/2015 1:03:47 PM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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The guys that get called with guns, have something people like you don't have: ARRESTING POWERS.
I believe you are mistaken. Citizens may make a citizens arrest. The differences are that whe a one makes a citizen's arrest if you are wrong you are open to civil and criminal penalities. Less so with cops.
And there are STACKS of cases in which this happened and the matter was thrown out of court, because the arresting citizens failed to follow another citizen's rights. Police officers are TRAINED and TESTED on a routine basis to understand these rights. That they fuck up every once in a while.
Unlike the citizen whom cant readily call for back up, police officers generally have that ability. They know the language to tell the dispatcher: A ) "I need a few police officers" verse B ) "Send in the cavalry!".
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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Something else they have that most do not have: COOLNESS UNDER FIRE.
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I remain unconvinced that either the incident in fergistan and stanten island validate your opinion.
That's a cop-pout of an argument. That it must happen in....*ALL*....situations. Funny you don't mention all the instances in which police officers successfully stayed cool under fire. That's because those things get filed under the 'police blotter' on page 26 rather than front page. Its an expectation of the job.
Ferguson has problems that had nothing to do with 'coolness under fire'. Its problems were much, MUCH, deeper.
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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That second one is a trained skill in that it has to be constantly conditioned. Its not likely riding a bike and relying on muscle memory twenty years later. Its a combination of reflexes, perception, reaction, and stability.
Comodities which, cops on a daily, are found to lack.
Bullshit. For your 'argument' to have water, it would be happening all the time. Since it doesn't, then your argument is a false one. Police officers are held to a higher level of responsibility with power that society gives to them. Then also are kept an eye on, not just by other officers, or 'internal investigations', but by watchdog groups, civil right's groups, and the general public. How many people keep an eye on Doug, whom has a firearm? That unknown to most people, he has a drinking problem, his marriage is on the rocks, he has bad parenting skills, and failing slowly in his day job. You want this guy defending your church?
Any of those would be a 'red flag' to have an officer relieved of his or her duties pending an investigation in my state.
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