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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 4:45:26 AM   
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Forty-four healthy controls, ten subjects with a past “cannabis use disorder” (CUD), 28 schizophrenia subjects with no history of substance use disorders, and 15 schizophrenia subjects with a CUD history was there sample size...

Forgive me, but I take most "research" into pot with a grain of salt; the last study this institution did they didn't control for other substances such as alcohol (a known neurotoxin...). I don't even smoke pot; However, I look at all the grief and sorrow this country has gone through over prohibiting it, and I have to ask myself "why?"


The "why" is along the same lines as why we are an A/C nation rather than a D/C nation.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 4:57:52 AM   
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Forty-four healthy controls, ten subjects with a past “cannabis use disorder” (CUD), 28 schizophrenia subjects with no history of substance use disorders, and 15 schizophrenia subjects with a CUD history was there sample size...

Forgive me, but I take most "research" into pot with a grain of salt; the last study this institution did they didn't control for other substances such as alcohol (a known neurotoxin...). I don't even smoke pot; However, I look at all the grief and sorrow this country has gone through over prohibiting it, and I have to ask myself "why?"


The "why" is along the same lines as why we are an A/C nation rather than a D/C nation.


Racism? :p

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 5:02:51 AM   
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Forty-four healthy controls, ten subjects with a past “cannabis use disorder” (CUD), 28 schizophrenia subjects with no history of substance use disorders, and 15 schizophrenia subjects with a CUD history was there sample size...

Forgive me, but I take most "research" into pot with a grain of salt; the last study this institution did they didn't control for other substances such as alcohol (a known neurotoxin...). I don't even smoke pot; However, I look at all the grief and sorrow this country has gone through over prohibiting it, and I have to ask myself "why?"


The "why" is along the same lines as why we are an A/C nation rather than a D/C nation.


Racism? :p


What makes you think that, infidel?



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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 6:03:53 AM   
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Right. Because 107 people who have just lived life with no control factors is totally enough to say that dope is scary-bad. Oh wait! It's a knee-jerk thing. Ok. Well, how about this:



Revised December 2014

Some medications have psychoactive (mind-altering) properties and, because of that, are sometimes abused—that is, taken for reasons or in ways or amounts not intended by a doctor, or taken by someone other than the person for whom they are prescribed. In fact, prescription and over-the-counter (OTC) drugs are, after marijuana (and alcohol), the most commonly abused substances by Americans 14 and older.
Past year illicit use among 12th graders, Marijuana 36.4%, Amphetamines 8.7%, Synthetic Marijuana 7.9%, Adderall 7.4%, Vicodin 5.3%, Cough med 5.0%, Tranquilizers 4.6%, Hallucinogens 4.5%, Sedatives 4.8%, Salvia 3.4%, Oxycontin 3.6%, MDMA 4.0%, Inhalants 2.5%, Cocaine 2.6%, Ritalin 2.3%

The classes of prescription drugs most commonly abused are: opioid pain relievers, such as Vicodin or Oxycontin; stimulants for treating Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD), such as Adderall, Concerta, or Ritalin; and central nervous system (CNS) depressants for relieving anxiety, such as Valium or Xanax.1 The most commonly abused OTC drugs are cough and cold remedies containing dextromethorphan.

People often think that prescription and OTC drugs are safer than illicit drugs, but that’s only true when they are taken exactly as prescribed and for the purpose intended. When abused, prescription and OTC drugs can be addictive and put abusers at risk for other adverse health effects, including overdose—especially when taken along with other drugs or alcohol.
How Are Prescription Drugs Abused?

Prescription and OTC drugs may be abused in one or more of the following ways:

Taking a medication that has been prescribed for somebody else. Unaware of the dangers of sharing medications, people often unknowingly contribute to this form of abuse by sharing their unused pain relievers with their family members.
Most teenagers who abuse prescription drugs are given them for free by a friend or relative.

Taking a drug in a higher quantity or in another manner than prescribed. Most prescription drugs are dispensed orally in tablets, but abusers sometimes crush the tablets and snort or inject the powder. This hastens the entry of the drug into the bloodstream and the brain and amplifies its effects.
Graphic showing the spectrum of Prescription Drug Abuse from improper use to abuse: 1 Taking someone else's prescription to self-medicate. 2 Taking a prescription medication in a way other than prescribed. 3 Taking a medication to get high.

Taking a drug for another purpose than prescribed. All of the drug types mentioned can produce pleasurable effects at sufficient quantities, so taking them for the purpose of getting high is one of the main reasons people abuse them.

ADHD drugs like Adderall are also often abused by students seeking to improve their academic performance. However, although they may boost alertness, there is little evidence they improve cognitive functioning for those without a medical condition.
How Do Prescription and OTC Drugs Affect the Brain?

Taken as intended, prescription and OTC drugs safely treat specific mental or physical symptoms. But when taken in different quantities or when such symptoms aren’t present, they may affect the brain in ways very similar to illicit drugs.

For example, stimulants such as Ritalin achieve their effects by acting on the same neurotransmitter systems as cocaine. Opioid pain relievers such as OxyContin attach to the same cell receptors targeted by illegal opioids like heroin. Prescription depressants produce sedating or calming effects in the same manner as the club drugs GHB and rohypnol. And when taken in very high doses, dextromethorphan acts on the same cell receptors as PCP or ketamine, producing similar out-of-body experiences.

When abused, all of these classes of drugs directly or indirectly cause a pleasurable increase in the amount of dopamine in the brain’s reward pathway. Repeatedly seeking to experience that feeling can lead to addiction.
What Are the Other Health Effects of Prescription and OTC Drugs?

Opioids can produce drowsiness, cause constipation, and—depending upon the amount taken—depress breathing. The latter effect makes opioids particularly dangerous, especially when they are snorted or injected or combined with other drugs or alcohol.
Opioids and Brain Damage

While the relationship between opioid overdose and depressed respiration (slowed breathing) has been confirmed, researchers are also studying the long-term effects on brain function. Depressed respiration can affect the amount of oxygen that reaches the brain, a condition called hypoxia. Hypoxia can have short- and long-term psychological and neurological effects, including coma and permanent brain damage.

Researchers are also investigating the long-term effects of opioid addiction on the brain. Studies have shown some deterioration of the brain’s white matter due to heroin use, which may affect decision-making abilities, the ability to regulate behavior, and responses to stressful situations.

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More people die from overdoses of prescription opioids than from all other drugs combined, including heroin and cocaine (see "The Prescription Opioid Abuse Epidemic" below).
The Prescription Opioid Abuse Epidemic

Over 2 million people in the United States suffer from substance use disorders related to prescription opioid pain relievers. The terrible consequences of this epidemic include overdose deaths, which have more than quadrupled in the past decade and a half. The causes are complex, but they include overprescription of pain medications. In 2013, 207 million prescriptions were written for prescription opioid pain medications.


from: http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/prescription-over-counter-medications

Or

quote:

“People assume because it is over the counter that it is safe,” said Heather Free, pharmacy manager of a Walgreen’s Pharmacy in Washington, DC, and an American Pharmacists Association spokesperson. The reality is that even an aspirin can have adverse effects or cause harm if you don’t follow recommended doses, directions, and warnings.

“Over-the-counter medications are intended to treat short-term illnesses and symptoms,” said Amy Tiemeier, associate professor in the department of pharmacy practice at St. Louis College of Pharmacy. “Ingesting them over a long period of time can lead to any number of adverse effects and lead to a worsening of a disease that should be treated by a medical professional.”


from: http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/over-the-counter-drug-dangers-should-know-about/

And so on.

There is a difference between using a drug and abusing it.

quote:

Researchers point to studies that show that too much sugar (both in the form of natural sucrose and high-fructose corn syrup) not only makes us fat, it also wreaks havoc on our liver, mucks up our metabolism, impairs brain function, and may leave us susceptible to heart disease, diabetes, even cancer.


And yet, you're not calling for legislation on sugar...

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Sugar’s harmful effects on the brain don’t only occur in the long term; during a single instance of hyperglycemia, slowed cognitive function and deficits in attention and memory have been reported.1 Hyperglycemia also affects mood states; type 2 diabetic patients experienced increased feelings of sadness and anxiety during acute hyperglycemia. 6 In healthy young people as well, a brain imaging study has suggested that in a hyperglycemic state, the brain’s ability to process emotion is compromised.


from: http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/what_does_sugar_do_to_the_brain.aspx

Sugar is the new dope.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 6:48:12 AM   
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According to THIS study heavy users of pot loose about 18% of their long-term memory and have difficulties problem solving because of physical changes in the brain. Some believe this study may slow the march of legalization in the US.



Pot may well be not great for people. But there's been mounting evidence for decades now that maintaining its illegal status is not the 'self-evident' strategy to minimise its use that people assume it is. The experience in Portugal strongly suggests otherwise.

There's a clear suggestion that legalising marijuana reduces use of heavier and far less healthy drugs like heroin. This is, it's thought, largely because the markets are separated: you go to one area of town and to one sort of person to buy something illegal; but another area and another sort of person to buy something legal.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 7:13:06 AM   
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I think there have been many studies that show use of pot DOES often lead to harder drugs... I would be interested to know how legalization of pot has affected hard drug use in the states that have legalized it...I may have to do a little research.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 7:44:22 AM   
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I have mixed feelings about pot and its legalization.

I would never touch the stuff and I can't stand being around people using it, but....I suppose I'm a bit of an uptight party pooper because I don't drink very much either. (I haven't been "drunk" in over 25 years).

I do think it does have medical uses and should be explored to help expand those uses.

I saw a fascinating TV show once where they had 4 drug users.....a girl who used pot, a guy who used H (am I allowed to mention the actual names here?), another guy who used speed, and another guy who used C......and they tested all of them...

They had each one of them come in before having used their drug of choice....I *think* it was a minimum of 12 hours since last use. They had each of them do a few tasks.

-- They gave them each a memory test and very basic math test
-- They had each one of them put together a small piece of furniture (a'la IKEA) in a set time limit
-- They showed each of them a room so they could become familiar with its layout. Then they blindfolded them and filled the room with the *smell* of smoke to simulate them being in a burning building, and told them they had to retrieve a box from the room. (and they were told where the box was located).

They let the people go off and do their drug of choice, and had them repeat those task again.

I wish I could find this video on the internet....the changes that took place were amazing....especially in their attitude. They were either apathetic and gave up very easily, or they got frustrated and agitated easily, and gave up....but were also physically aggressive.

What I thought was most interesting was the change in the girl who smoked pot. She got apathetic about things until she went into the smoky room.....then she had a significant panic attack.

I know few people who are now in their early to mid 50s and have smoked pot since their teens. I would say that they are more "messed up" than people I know who don't smoke it, BUT.....I think most of these people have experimented with harder drugs as well. So whether it's the brief experience with harder drugs....or the long term use of pot....or both....I don't know. I just know that i never had the desire to find out for myself.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 8:17:58 AM   
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To be clear on my own agenda:

1. I do not do any drugs. I have never even tried them. I don't smoke (never have), and I have never been drunk.

2. I also carefully limit my intake of "medicine," as I generally don't believe in unnaturally affecting my body.

3. I eat relatively well, although I'm not a Nazi about it.

4. I grew up around people who have both done drugs of various types and who have not.

5. I believe in a person's right to choose what goes into their own body, whether it is harmful or not.

6. Some people are predisposed to abusing substances, be it sugar, alcohol, pot, or whatever. These people will often find their way to greater and greater highs. the same types of people can go in another direction and be thrill-seekers, with no additional chemicals at all.

7. I know people greatly affected by pot when they smoke. They become lazy and apathetic. I know others who seem completely unaffected, and no one can tell. The same holds true for prescribed medication, I personally often react in ways NOT expected.

8. Studies have been done that show that about 1/6 of prescribed drugs can cause memory loss over time, including wellbutrin and viagra.

9. I did a study of the war on drugs when I was 12, and concluded it was just plain illogical. I still revisit that from time to time, and still agree.

10. I like the smell of pot.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 9:13:49 AM   
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5. I believe in a person's right to choose what goes into their own body, whether it is harmful or not


This I do not agree with... A person has no right to use a drug, alcohol included, that could cause this person to injure another directly or indirectly. Sadly this is the result of drug use... innocents are killed because of that persons weakness or irresponsibility.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 9:36:59 AM   
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5. I believe in a person's right to choose what goes into their own body, whether it is harmful or not


This I do not agree with... A person has no right to use a drug, alcohol included, that could cause this person to injure another directly or indirectly. Sadly this is the result of drug use... innocents are killed because of that persons weakness or irresponsibility.

Butch


We should round them all up and execute them. Diabetics first... cuz, ya know, they can be dangerous when driving.


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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 9:52:21 AM   
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Good idea... are you diabetic by any chance?....

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 9:54:34 AM   
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Good idea... are you diabetic by any chance?....


Nope. No diabetes, no drugs, no alcohol... sorry to burst your bubble.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 9:57:44 AM   
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5. I believe in a person's right to choose what goes into their own body, whether it is harmful or not


This I do not agree with... A person has no right to use a drug, alcohol included, that could cause this person to injure another directly or indirectly. Sadly this is the result of drug use... innocents are killed because of that persons weakness or irresponsibility.

Butch


We should round them all up and execute them. Diabetics first... cuz, ya know, they can be dangerous when driving.



Diabetics....and don't forget about the epileptics like me!

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 10:02:06 AM   
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I would assume that you are not ingesting drugs to bring on your seizures. But there is something to say about taking legal drugs than operating machinery that could injure others.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 10:54:59 AM   
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Let's all be uptight about legalization of pot. Really! The world as we know it is gonna end-- or not.

Here's what I've seen as a resident of Washington State since the legalization of pot. The *very*rare news story about a DUI arrest. The *slightly* more common occurrence of a theft from a marijuana grow.

Of course, there was the story recently of the "pot easter egg hunt"-- http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150410/NEWS01/150419939/1061/Planned-hunt-for-pot-Easter-eggs-runs-into-major-buzzkill

Well, heck, this isn't legal? No problem-- we'll cancel it, and be happy to refund people's gas money should they not hear about the cancellation.

And, of course, there's also the medical use. Speaking of which-- it wasn't until a couple of months ago that I knew what the "green cross" meant.

As far as I can see-- it just ain't such a big deal.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 11:05:55 AM   
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5. I believe in a person's right to choose what goes into their own body, whether it is harmful or not


This I do not agree with... A person has no right to use a drug, alcohol included, that could cause this person to injure another directly or indirectly. Sadly this is the result of drug use... innocents are killed because of that persons weakness or irresponsibility.

Butch


Actually, you are disagreeing with something I did not say.

I said EXACTLY what is quoted. I said nothing about hurting people. Some people hurt people without drugs. Some people take drugs and don't hurt people.

So, make your statements all you want, but don't make mine for me. I said nothing about people being allowed to harm others non-consensually. Period.

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We should round them all up and execute them. Diabetics first... cuz, ya know, they can be dangerous when driving.



And people who sneeze while operating heavy machinery!

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Diabetics....and don't forget about the epileptics like me!


And those two weeks I had intermittent vertigo... Yikes!


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Let's all be uptight about legalization of pot. Really! The world as we know it is gonna end-- or not.

Here's what I've seen as a resident of Washington State since the legalization of pot. The *very*rare news story about a DUI arrest. The *slightly* more common occurrence of a theft from a marijuana grow.

Of course, there was the story recently of the "pot easter egg hunt"-- http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150410/NEWS01/150419939/1061/Planned-hunt-for-pot-Easter-eggs-runs-into-major-buzzkill

Well, heck, this isn't legal? No problem-- we'll cancel it, and be happy to refund people's gas money should they not hear about the cancellation.

And, of course, there's also the medical use. Speaking of which-- it wasn't until a couple of months ago that I knew what the "green cross" meant.

As far as I can see-- it just ain't such a big deal.


Except in income to the states in taxes, less police having to enforce that side of things, and therefore able to enforce greater crimes, etc.

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 11:06:46 AM   
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oh boy.. do I know that one!.. I had to cut back on that.. after 1 or 2 hours and countless orgasms.. my wrist just couldn't take it anymore.. and using my other hand just wasn't the same, ya know..

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 11:16:13 AM   
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Except in income to the states in taxes, less police having to enforce that side of things, and therefore able to enforce greater crimes, etc.


Less income and less police? How so?

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 11:19:49 AM   
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Less income and less police? How so?



Removal of a huge portion of the black markets revenue stream; just like how the illegal booze industry kind of went belly up when people could get it legally.

The income tax was instituted in part because so much of the US's revenue came from taxing beer and liquor at the time that it would be financial suicide to prohibit it without first doing so...

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RE: I knew it...Pot makes you stupid - 4/13/2015 11:35:10 AM   
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Yes but you cannot have it both ways... statistics show that people on drugs are among the top causes of fatal auto accidents...and I do believe I read that auto accidents from impaired driving went up in Colorado after legalization of pot. I am not comparing the risk of alcohol use and pot...but I am saying this study does show significant adverse effects of pot on the body... take it or leave it i guess.

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