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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 7:28:33 PM   
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You know I am playing with you, but it is very, very hard to let go.

I think you have to know how mature, capable and responsible your children are.
I don't see this as a one size fits all issue.
As I said earlier, I can see BOTH sides, but I am on the parent's side on this one.



Yep, I cried when they went to kindergarten... all three times :(



You are a big softie.



I iz... sorta... miniature people are the bestest EVA!!!


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 7:35:36 PM   
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I totally agree, they are still the bestest people EVA when they become regular sized people.

You hope and pray that your "child" remains safe, no matter how old they get.

Imagine having, a 6 foot 2, 21 year old/going to college and doing well/young adult/ that happens to be a handsome young black male, that you love to pieces, and have to discuss why so many black men are being mistreated in this day and age.
Try my shoes on.

He grew up in D.C., and I remember being nervous about him catching the bus/subway by himself, at the age of 13/14.

You might start considering the basement also.



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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 8:29:48 PM   
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Wow....that sucks Marini,
I hope trouble never finds your door ;-)

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 8:38:49 PM   
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Wow....that sucks Marini,
I hope trouble never finds your door ;-)


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 8:43:33 PM   
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Okay.....:-)

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 10:20:15 PM   
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The parents of two Maryland children who were taken into police custody after playing alone at a park will file a lawsuit, a lawyer for the family said Tuesday.

It's not clear who will be named in the suit, but the attorney confirmed to News4's Kristin Wright that a lawsuit will be filed "soon."


http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Parents-of-Free-Range-Kids-to-File-Lawsuit-299721601.html

Good.

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"The Meitivs are rightfully outraged by the irresponsible actions of Maryland CPS and Montgomery County Police," Dowd said in a statement in part. "We must ask ourselves how we reached the point where a parent's biggest fear is that government officials will literally seize our children off the streets as they walk in our neighborhoods."


Jobs should be lost for snatching children off the street. Of course they probably have some sort of immunity. Bastiges.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 1:28:34 AM   
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Out of the 50 or so children murdered every year, more than 90 per cent are killed by someone they love, their lives taken in the very place we assume them to be safest: the home. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3634045/Protecting-our-children-Are-we-destroying-childhood.html



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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 3:26:20 AM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 4:15:09 AM   
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Try my shoes on.



They fit.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 8:17:37 AM   
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Out of the 50 or so children murdered every year, more than 90 per cent are killed by someone they love, their lives taken in the very place we assume them to be safest: the home. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/features/3634045/Protecting-our-children-Are-we-destroying-childhood.html

This is the saddest part of the whole situation...despite all the laws designed to protect children, somehow CPS keeps screwing up in these cases...

http://www.freerangekids.com/what-happens-when-child-protective-services-is-busy-hounding-free-range-parents/

http://justicewomen.com/tips_bewarechildprotectiveservices.html

http://spectator.org/articles/61708/impossible-job-child-protective-services

But they have time to hound parents who dare to raise their children in the manner I was raised...hell, even better since I had my ass spanked and even stropped a few times for not following the rules...and time for this kind of stuff

http://legallykidnapped.blogspot.com/2008/03/child-protective-services-destroyed-my.html?m=1

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 8:20:36 AM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

It also puts lie to the argument that parents,in all instances,know best.
Or didn't that occur to you ?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 9:47:09 AM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

It also puts lie to the argument that parents,in all instances,know best.
Or didn't that occur to you ?

50 children...a tragic number. But Mike, the evidence continues to show that, despite all their data-gathering, in at least 90% of those deaths, CPS was not able to forestall or prevent them. Yet, they can make time for nonsense harassments of parents like the Meltievs who choose to do things outside the system-approved way or for those who fall under some vague notion of "neglect".

What signs were ignored here?

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/brother-says-boy-starved-in-closet

How over-zealous were they here?

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/false-child-abuse-charges-trigger-murder-suicide-colorado/story?id=16074344


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 10:46:32 AM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

It also puts lie to the argument that parents,in all instances,know best.
Or didn't that occur to you ?


Do all parents know best in every case? No. Of course not. That is an impossible standard.

Do they most often know best for THEIR child? Yes.

Should almost all child rearing decisions be left to the parent? Yes. Let me give an example. . . NYC is doing their best to force women to breastfeed instead of using formula. That seems like a rather personal family choice to me.

I do think that there is way TOO MUCH state interference in raising children.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 3:27:53 PM   
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mike there is nothing in my statement that "puts lie to the argument that in all instances parents know best." the expression "puts lie to" means that contrary data or information as been brought forth that contradicts some previously held position. unless you are referring to parents not knowing every cussed law that is out there and that somehow mitigates my position?

as I like to point out when I can---while in some instances our values might not differ (in this instance, the well being of kids), our processes and paradigms for achieving them are at odds. liberals want state intervention and collective solutions, and most of the rest of us want autonomy and freedom.

it is overwhelmingly for the parents to decide how to raise their kids, not the state. can you see mike why we resist you (the generic left) so much?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 3:51:25 PM   
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In general, I'd love for kids to range as freely as possible. My siblings and I roamed for hours on end, and it saddens me that my nieces and nephews don't have that experience.

That said, friends who actually know Silver Spring discussed the subject on Facebook today. To a parent, they wouldn't leave their kids alone in the neighborhood where this happened. One noted, "It seems to me the further people live from downtown Silver Spring, the more likely they are to side with the parents."

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 5:05:42 PM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

It also puts lie to the argument that parents,in all instances,know best.
Or didn't that occur to you ?


Do all parents know best in every case? No. Of course not. That is an impossible standard.

Do they most often know best for THEIR child? Yes.

Should almost all child rearing decisions be left to the parent? Yes. Let me give an example. . . NYC is doing their best to force women to breastfeed instead of using formula. That seems like a rather personal family choice to me.

I do think that there is way TOO MUCH state interference in raising children.

Okay so if we can agree that in some cases there are some parents who have no business at all raising children then it follows that we would also agree that communities need to set standards in order to protect those children at risk,no ?

Now if ,as I assume ,we are still in agreement than the issue is the heavy handeness of those same standards,right ?
In this case the law is a little bit fuzzy,it states IIRC that no child under the age of thirteen(or was it twelve)should be left alone to fend for themselves.The law was intended to,and I believe written,more to deal with cases of leaving children unattended in the home...so the walk home from the local park is a bit fuzzy on that.
My objection here,in this particular case ,is that these parents were warned,and than decided to use their children to make a political libertarian leaning point.
One) that is awful narcissistic of them .Two) any parents who would subject their children to such an event in order to make a political point....need state supervision in the raising of said children
Basically,from where I sit....it was more important for these assholes to make their own political point than it was to ensure that the state did not take their children away,
In that light I think it is imperative that these children be removed from the custody of these two assholes.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 5:20:38 PM   
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maria, that's an important and essential aspect to the argument here and puts lie to the notion of that the worlds full of perverts waiting behind trees ready to pounce.

aylee---id be skeptical that anyone would lose jobs over this, even independent from immunity. my guess is they were all following laws and regulations.

and that's another one of the scary things too. I remember having a conversation with a friend once who was advocating for the process of legislation. "if you don't like a law, you can work with your legislator to get it changed." and "if they wont cooperate, you can vote them out and someone else in next time." never mind that those options are glacial, if effective.

while most people are going about their daily lives working, being married, raising children, and spending time with friends, the government's making laws that we never hear about until we run afoul of them, which we all too often do.

It also puts lie to the argument that parents,in all instances,know best.
Or didn't that occur to you ?


Do all parents know best in every case? No. Of course not. That is an impossible standard.

Do they most often know best for THEIR child? Yes.

Should almost all child rearing decisions be left to the parent? Yes. Let me give an example. . . NYC is doing their best to force women to breastfeed instead of using formula. That seems like a rather personal family choice to me.

I do think that there is way TOO MUCH state interference in raising children.

Okay so if we can agree that in some cases there are some parents who have no business at all raising children then it follows that we would also agree that communities need to set standards in order to protect those children at risk,no ?

Now if ,as I assume ,we are still in agreement than the issue is the heavy handeness of those same standards,right ?
In this case the law is a little bit fuzzy,it states IIRC that no child under the age of thirteen(or was it twelve)should be left alone to fend for themselves.The law was intended to,and I believe written,more to deal with cases of leaving children unattended in the home...so the walk home from the local park is a bit fuzzy on that.
My objection here,in this particular case ,is that these parents were warned,and than decided to use their children to make a political libertarian leaning point.
One) that is awful narcissistic of them .Two) any parents who would subject their children to such an event in order to make a political point....need state supervision in the raising of said children
Basically,from where I sit....it was more important for these assholes to make their own political point than it was to ensure that the state did not take their children away,
In that light I think it is imperative that these children be removed from the custody of these two assholes.
Or...it could be that they are not making a point, they are raising their children as they see fit. NOT as the state sees fit.

Perhaps they felt the state had no business dictating to them and should instead concern itself with children in real danger such as the cases I cited above...And hundreds, if not thousands, more?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 5:35:28 PM   
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So than they should have hired a lawyer and fought the five year probation they were placed on.What they should never had done was place their children in position to be plucked by the damm state.
Which is exactly what they did...and their kids payed for their stance.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 6:01:05 PM   
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Okay so if we can agree that in some cases there are some parents who have no business at all raising children then it follows that we would also agree that communities need to set standards in order to protect those children at risk,no ?


People can have no business raising children and STILL not be doing anything illegal. Just as parents doing a good job of raising children can bring down the ire of the state. It all depends on the current narrative.

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Now if ,as I assume ,we are still in agreement than the issue is the heavy handeness of those same standards,right ?


Heavy-handedness? Not so much. Intrusiveness? Hell's yeah.

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In this case the law is a little bit fuzzy,it states IIRC that no child under the age of thirteen(or was it twelve)should be left alone to fend for themselves.The law was intended to,and I believe written,more to deal with cases of leaving children unattended in the home...so the walk home from the local park is a bit fuzzy on that.


CPS officials have said they are guided in part by a state law that says children younger than 8 must be left with a reliable person who is at least 13. But the law refers only to enclosed spaces such as buildings or cars, and makes no mention of children outside, in a park or on a walk.


No, the law they are using does not apply here.
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My objection here,in this particular case ,is that these parents were warned,and than decided to use their children to make a political libertarian leaning point.
One) that is awful narcissistic of them .Two) any parents who would subject their children to such an event in order to make a political point....need state supervision in the raising of said children


They forced the parents to sign a "safety plan" under duress. Documents signed under duress are null and void. They parents were NOT breaking the law or community standards by letting their children play in a park and walk home by themselves.

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Basically,from where I sit....it was more important for these assholes to make their own political point than it was to ensure that the state did not take their children away,


The parents were already appealing the December CPS decision. They also continued to parent the way they saw fit. That is not making a statement. remaining consistent.

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In that light I think it is imperative that these children be removed from the custody of these two assholes.


What the police and CPS did would be called kidnapping by anyone else. I think they should be tarred and feathered. Since that will not happen, then fired.

It would not surprise me that CPS is just pissed because these parents are not cowering in fear of their state power and instead were appealing.


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/15/2015 7:00:42 PM   
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...In that light I think it is imperative that these children be removed from the custody of these two assholes.


given the circumstances of this situation, I find that a revealing and disturbing thought, and again, can you see why liberty loving people resist leftists?

I personally do not own firearms, but I strongly wonder if those who do, for an instance like this, would meet cps at the door with their shotguns.

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