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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 4:35:45 PM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/tammy-cooper-texas-mom-arrested-kids-unsupervised-video_n_1900113.html

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Tammy Cooper was arrested for child endangerment after a neighbor reported that she allegedly left her kids to ride motorized scooters unsupervised.

Tammy Cooper, a stay-at-home mom who lives in La Porte, Texas, was arrested earlier this month after a neighbor reported her for allegedly letting her kids play outside on their motorized scooters unsupervised.

Cooper, who spent 18 hours in jail overnight, says she was watching her children, ages 6 and 9, from a lawn chair during the time of the incident. The family lives in a cul-de-sac, and Cooper told KPRC that the safe location was one of the reasons she had chosen to reside there.

When police showed up at Cooper's home to arrest the mother for child endangerment, her kids protested.

“My daughter had him [the police officer] around the leg saying, “Please, please don’t take my mom to jail. Please, she didn’t do anything wrong,’” Cooper told the station.

The charges against Cooper were dropped, but she is now suing the City of La Porte Police Department, the arresting officer and her neighbor for damages...

"For the last few decades, child development experts have been telling us that the crucial thing missing from kids' lives is exactly what used to fill them: Time with friends of different ages, playing outside, on their own," Skenazy wrote.




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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 4:45:00 PM   
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http://www.naturalnews.com/037209_children_at_play_parents_criminalization.html

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A Virginia mother was recently interrogated four times by police, and visited twice by social services, after neighbors spotted the mother's children playing in their own yard unsupervised, and decided to report the non-incident to local authorities. According to Lenore Skenazy of Free-Range Kids, such hysteria and Stasi-style paranoia are becoming the norm in America, where children are being excessively coddled, overprotected, and treated as though they are always in grave danger of being kidnapped or harmed.

During a recent interview...Skenazy reflects on how the days when society's youth could simply ride their bicycles to school or into the woods, climb their neighbors' trees, or play at the local park by themselves without adult supervision are essentially gone. Today, it is practically considered abnormal in many areas for young children to even be outside at all, let alone to be exploring on their own or with their friends.

"What's happening ... is parents who let their children play outside, walk to school, or go to the grocery (store) for them often have neighbors who turn them in, supposedly out of concern ... and what happens is Child Protective Services (CPS) is obligated to come and check out whether or not these parents are being negligent, or worse abusive," says Skenazy, who receives calls all the time from parents that are being persecuted by law enforcement for allowing their kids to play outside.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 5:00:18 PM   
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http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/09/18/cps-investigates-texas-mom-over-son-playing-outside/

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An Austin mother found her family under investigation by Child Protective Services (CPS, a division of the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services, or TDFPS) earlier this month after a neighbor witnessed her son playing outside unsupervised and reported it to authorities. Kari Anne Roy, a children’s book author and mother of three, shared the story on her blog: the family had just returned from vacation the day before and her six year old son was playing outside with his eight year old sister at a park bench about 150 yards from their home. The bench was visible from their front porch. When the boy’s sister came inside and he remained outside, a neighbor brought the boy home, saying that he was “outside” and “alone” so she was “returning him safely.” Roy wrote that she was “baffled” by the woman’s “condescending” attitude, but “chalk[ed] it up to a well-meaning but over-vigilant neighbor,” until there was another knock at the door: this time, a police officer...

The Roy family’s trauma was not over yet. Later that week, Roy got a voice mail message from a CPS investigator...

But I was also warned: the neighbor can call CPS as many times as she wants. If she truly feels there’s neglect, she can’t be prosecuted for making false allegations…when children are involved, the person who makes the complaint gets the benefit of the doubt. For parents, it is guilty until proven innocent...

Lana Shadwick, a Breitbart contributor and 22 year lawyer who has served as a family court associate judge and CPS lawyer, had a similar reaction to the negative consequences that can result from CPS actions. “Far too often, Child Protective Services leaves common-sense behind and wastes precious government resources raining terror on the innocent,” said Shadwick. “Real evils go unchecked, and lives are lost. To the victims of this terror, it feels like madness.”


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 5:07:27 PM   
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OUTRAGE OF THE WEEK: Cops Say It’s ILLEGAL for Kids to Play Outside, Unsupervised

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Dear Free-Range Kids: Our kids have always been “Free -Range.” Unfortunately, today, someone called the police because of the “unsupervised children” running around the neighborhood...

The officer said that kids under ten, by law, are not allowed outside, unsupervised except in their parents’ yard.


http://www.freerangekids.com/outrage-of-the-week-cops-say-its-illegal-for-kids-to-play-outside-unsupervised/

and on and on and on...

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 5:09:32 PM   
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Am I,or someone of like mind,now supposed to hunt out horror stories wherein CPS plucked children out of horrible conditions ?
Do you doubt there are dozens and dozens of stories to be listed.
I have no taste for that sort of search.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:01:14 PM   
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no, because that's not the purpose of the thread. its not about the need for cps. its about cps and society and police overstepping its bounds in pretty clear cases and abusing parents with state power.

setting up a false dichotomy doesnt justify their behavior...

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:02:35 PM   
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And your solution .....?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:25:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?
One solution? Anybody involved with CPS...whether it be the case workers or the therapist who brainwashed Alicia Wade into testifying her father raped her And who was later found to be innocent...gets penalized for their zealous nature. Oh wait...she was...to the tune of 11/2 million dollars for her part in the disruption of a family, the ruining of a good man's name and his career. Oh...And thank GOD, the California CPS was too...to the tune of 2 million dollars.

Another solution? Quit wasting time and money spent on bogus investigations into Free Range parents...those who dare defy the system...And spend that time and those dollars on investigating cases where ACTUAL harm may be being done. Stop going after fathers like me and others who dared to swat our kids butt because sometimes, timeouts and reasoning don't work with a smart-ass resentful 11 yr old and soon to be ex-wife is pissed off and go after parents leaving marks on their kids.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:31:54 PM   
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And your solution .....?


Stop the Kafkatrap of guilty until proven guilty.

Charge CPS workers and others when they lie and falsify.

There are two to start with.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:42:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

OUTRAGE OF THE WEEK: Cops Say It’s ILLEGAL for Kids to Play Outside, Unsupervised

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Dear Free-Range Kids: Our kids have always been “Free -Range.” Unfortunately, today, someone called the police because of the “unsupervised children” running around the neighborhood...

The officer said that kids under ten, by law, are not allowed outside, unsupervised except in their parents’ yard.


http://www.freerangekids.com/outrage-of-the-week-cops-say-its-illegal-for-kids-to-play-outside-unsupervised/

and on and on and on...


When I said that next parents would be arrested, for kids playing in their front yard, I was joking.

I had no idea that it becoming an official crime, to play on your PARENTS property.
This is a great thread.

and on and on and on, is right.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 6:48:41 PM   
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cd, and aylee, I don't disagree with what you've just said, but id add this (I keep wanting to talk about the "macro" here)---so long as there are liberals out who see the state as the ultimate arbiter and authority, things like this will continue.

and the state, like sauron in lord of the rings, just gathers more and more power unto itself. in that regard, unless we deal with the statism that's out there, its actually only going to get worse.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 7:04:10 PM   
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cd, and aylee, I don't disagree with what you've just said, but id add this (I keep wanting to talk about the "macro" here)---so long as there are liberals out who see the state as the ultimate arbiter and authority, things like this will continue.

and the state, like sauron in lord of the rings, just gathers more and more power unto itself. in that regard, unless we deal with the statism that's out there, its actually only going to get worse.


If we take away immunity. . .

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 7:29:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?
One solution? Anybody involved with CPS...whether it be the case workers or the therapist who brainwashed Alicia Wade into testifying her father raped her And who was later found to be innocent...gets penalized for their zealous nature. Oh wait...she was...to the tune of 11/2 million dollars for her part in the disruption of a family, the ruining of a good man's name and his career. Oh...And thank GOD, the California CPS was too...to the tune of 2 million dollars.

Another solution? Quit wasting time and money spent on bogus investigations into Free Range parents...those who dare defy the system...And spend that time and those dollars on investigating cases where ACTUAL harm may be being done. Stop going after fathers like me and others who dared to swat our kids butt because sometimes, timeouts and reasoning don't work with a smart-ass resentful 11 yr old and soon to be ex-wife is pissed off and go after parents leaving marks on their kids.


Okay I'm not the guy you want to be talking to.I'm one of those people who feel it's wrong,in all instances, to hit/swat/smack or otherwise strike a child.
Sorry,that's just the way I feel.To me when an adult resorts to striking a child that adult has already lost control of the situation.
I managed to raise a child without hitting that child......IMO(and only in my opinion) there's isn't an 11 year old smart assed enough to convince me that reaching that child is thru striking that child.
As I said that's my opinion,it's also a core belief that it's going to change.....so don't waste your time.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 7:38:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?


Stop the Kafkatrap of guilty until proven guilty.

Charge CPS workers and others when they lie and falsify.

There are two to start with.

I've got no problem with CPS workers being held accountable for actual crimes(lying to the Court is a crime) they commit,whatever,the motivation.
Anyone falsely reporting does actual harm to actual children,there are just so many resources,directing CPS down blind alleys mean they aren't chasing real abuse situations.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 8:24:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?
One solution? Anybody involved with CPS...whether it be the case workers or the therapist who brainwashed Alicia Wade into testifying her father raped her And who was later found to be innocent...gets penalized for their zealous nature. Oh wait...she was...to the tune of 11/2 million dollars for her part in the disruption of a family, the ruining of a good man's name and his career. Oh...And thank GOD, the California CPS was too...to the tune of 2 million dollars.

Another solution? Quit wasting time and money spent on bogus investigations into Free Range parents...those who dare defy the system...And spend that time and those dollars on investigating cases where ACTUAL harm may be being done. Stop going after fathers like me and others who dared to swat our kids butt because sometimes, timeouts and reasoning don't work with a smart-ass resentful 11 yr old and soon to be ex-wife is pissed off and go after parents leaving marks on their kids.


Okay I'm not the guy you want to be talking to.I'm one of those people who feel it's wrong,in all instances, to hit/swat/smack or otherwise strike a child.
Sorry,that's just the way I feel.To me when an adult resorts to striking a child that adult has already lost control of the situation.
I managed to raise a child without hitting that child......IMO(and only in my opinion) there's isn't an 11 year old smart assed enough to convince me that reaching that child is thru striking that child.
As I said that's my opinion,it's also a core belief that it's going to change.....so don't waste your time.

I won't try to waste your time. But since you've never done it and, as far as I know, weren't there, you really have no idea whether I was in control or not, do you? Apparently, the state agrees with my point of view since it is legal in Colorado to spank your child...within limits.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/16/2015 8:26:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?


Stop the Kafkatrap of guilty until proven guilty.

Charge CPS workers and others when they lie and falsify.

There are two to start with.

I've got no problem with CPS workers being held accountable for actual crimes(lying to the Court is a crime) they commit,whatever,the motivation.
Anyone falsely reporting does actual harm to actual children,there are just so many resources,directing CPS down blind alleys mean they aren't chasing real abuse situations.
Sort of like those people falsely reporting the Free Range parents, eh?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/17/2015 6:13:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?
One solution? Anybody involved with CPS...whether it be the case workers or the therapist who brainwashed Alicia Wade into testifying her father raped her And who was later found to be innocent...gets penalized for their zealous nature. Oh wait...she was...to the tune of 11/2 million dollars for her part in the disruption of a family, the ruining of a good man's name and his career. Oh...And thank GOD, the California CPS was too...to the tune of 2 million dollars.

Another solution? Quit wasting time and money spent on bogus investigations into Free Range parents...those who dare defy the system...And spend that time and those dollars on investigating cases where ACTUAL harm may be being done. Stop going after fathers like me and others who dared to swat our kids butt because sometimes, timeouts and reasoning don't work with a smart-ass resentful 11 yr old and soon to be ex-wife is pissed off and go after parents leaving marks on their kids.


Okay I'm not the guy you want to be talking to.I'm one of those people who feel it's wrong,in all instances, to hit/swat/smack or otherwise strike a child.
Sorry,that's just the way I feel.To me when an adult resorts to striking a child that adult has already lost control of the situation.
I managed to raise a child without hitting that child......IMO(and only in my opinion) there's isn't an 11 year old smart assed enough to convince me that reaching that child is thru striking that child.
As I said that's my opinion,it's also a core belief that it's going to change.....so don't waste your time.

I won't try to waste your time. But since you've never done it and, as far as I know, weren't there, you really have no idea whether I was in control or not, do you? Apparently, the state agrees with my point of view since it is legal in Colorado to spank your child...within limits.

So ,because you and the state of Colorado disagree I should change my opinion on what is out of bounds for a parent in dealing with their child....I don't think so.
My opinion on these matters is a firmly held belief .You do as you wish,within the law,with your own children.
I'll keep my opinions and beliefs thanks all the same...

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/17/2015 6:29:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

And your solution .....?
One solution? Anybody involved with CPS...whether it be the case workers or the therapist who brainwashed Alicia Wade into testifying her father raped her And who was later found to be innocent...gets penalized for their zealous nature. Oh wait...she was...to the tune of 11/2 million dollars for her part in the disruption of a family, the ruining of a good man's name and his career. Oh...And thank GOD, the California CPS was too...to the tune of 2 million dollars.

Another solution? Quit wasting time and money spent on bogus investigations into Free Range parents...those who dare defy the system...And spend that time and those dollars on investigating cases where ACTUAL harm may be being done. Stop going after fathers like me and others who dared to swat our kids butt because sometimes, timeouts and reasoning don't work with a smart-ass resentful 11 yr old and soon to be ex-wife is pissed off and go after parents leaving marks on their kids.


Okay I'm not the guy you want to be talking to.I'm one of those people who feel it's wrong,in all instances, to hit/swat/smack or otherwise strike a child.
Sorry,that's just the way I feel.To me when an adult resorts to striking a child that adult has already lost control of the situation.
I managed to raise a child without hitting that child......IMO(and only in my opinion) there's isn't an 11 year old smart assed enough to convince me that reaching that child is thru striking that child.
As I said that's my opinion,it's also a core belief that it's going to change.....so don't waste your time.

I won't try to waste your time. But since you've never done it and, as far as I know, weren't there, you really have no idea whether I was in control or not, do you? Apparently, the state agrees with my point of view since it is legal in Colorado to spank your child...within limits.

So ,because you and the state of Colorado disagree I should change my opinion on what is out of bounds for a parent in dealing with their child....I don't think so.
My opinion on these matters is a firmly held belief .You do as you wish,within the law,with your own children.
I'll keep my opinions and beliefs thanks all the same...
Again...you're wrong in what you think I think. You are free to raise your child the way you want...and that includes what you think is out of bounds for YOU and your child. Keep those beliefs.

But I was also free to raise my child as I wished. And for me, that included a swat on the ass, when needed. It wasn't done out of anger or a loss of control, despite your belief.

The problem comes in when you want to make the state enforce YOUR beliefs on everyone else.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/17/2015 7:17:11 AM   
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So ,because you and the state of Colorado disagree I should change my opinion on what is out of bounds for a parent in dealing with their child....I don't think so.


I see cd beat (no pun intended) me to it...

the problem is, your ilk is not content to leave it at that and you (the generic you) work to make it illegal for parents to discipline their kids the way they want to, in time-tested and biblically supported ways.

which points to another difference between us all---if a conservative disagrees with something, he doesn't engage in it. if a liberal disagrees with something, he makes it so no one else can engage in it either.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/17/2015 7:31:13 AM   
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