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No one thinks that actual child abuse is okay. Abuse where there is a significant threat to the child's well being and safety.
Many of us DO think that 14th amendment violations are NOT okay.
In the 2000 case of Troxel v. Granville, SCOTUS reaffirmed (Based on rulings from the 1920s.) the “fundamental right of parents to make decisions concerning the care, custody, and control of their children,” which it called “perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty interests recognized by this Court.”
There was NO compelling state interest to kidnap, terrorize, and lie to these children.
I think the conservation has moved beyond this one case Aylee,seems to me the subject now is whether or not it is okay to hit a child as a form of parental discipline.
I'm ,obviously,of a mind that says no....and I have zero tolerance for those that disagree.
I'm probably going to catch some flak for that,but when I consider who the flak will be thrown by....I'm fine with it.
This is likely due to you only having one child. If you had at least one spare, than all sorts of opportunities for types of discipline opens itself up. 
I could have had a dozen children,my views wouldn't have changed.
As a matter of fact due to my sister marrying an asshole,I had a hand in raising her three(walked the eldest down the aisle last june)add my younger brothers early death due to leukemia and his three boys get added to the mix.
I played father to all of them,never saw the need to strike any of them.
Interesting how the slippery slope argument is,in this instance ,rejected by the gun advocates.
They use that argument to great effect and here it means nothing.
Unlike bounty and cd I don't see a difference between swatting and hitting.
I'm still left to wonder why any adult feels the need to "swat" a two or three year old child.
Aren't you smarter than said child ? Can you not reason with said child ?
What is wrong with you,as a parent,that your skill set seems to begin and end with "swatting "?
I guess you'll be left to wonder then because I'm pretty sure you won't listen to what these people have to say:
"Dr. Diana Baumrind of the University of California, asserted that social scientists had overstepped the evidence in claiming that spanking caused lasting harm to the child.
''The scientific case against the use of normative physical punishment is a leaky dike, not a solid edifice,'' Dr. Baumrind said.
Dr. Baumrind, a psychologist known for her classic studies of authoritative, authoritarian and permissive styles of child-rearing, said she did not advocate spanking. But she argued that an occasional swat, when delivered in the context of good child-rearing, had not been shown to do any harm.
The studies cited by opponents of corporal punishment, Dr. Baumrind contended, often do not adequately distinguish the effects of spanking, as practiced by nonabusive parents, from the impact of severe physical punishment and abuse. Nor do they consider other factors that might account for problems later in life, like whether parents are rejecting or whether defiant or aggressive children might be more likely to be spanked in the first place."
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/25/us/findings-give-some-support-to-advocates-of-spanking.html
http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Spanking
The research does not point to an occasional spanking as causing long-term harm in children. If you must use spanking, use it sparingly to make a strong point that you will not tolerate potentially harmful behavior. Use spanking with a clear purpose in mind after you have tried other methods of discipline.
...Other times, a child seems to increasingly accelerate the misbehavior and ignore verbal warnings, time out and other forms of discipline. He appears to be testing the limits to see how far he can go in acting out. My mother used to say that this child with frenzied energy and behavior out of control needed to have a'knot jerked in his tail.' It is the surprise of the spanking, rather than the force that breaks the child's escalating acting-out-behavior...
http://www.angriesout.com/parents10.htm
You see, Mike...part of your problem is "assumption". You assume...because I mentioned a well-timed swat (not a series of them)...that it was the only recourse I had, the only form of discipline I utilized, the only skill-set I had. If you can find a post...somewhere, anywhere...where I stated OR even suggested that swatting was the beginning or end of my skill set, bring it out. But you can't...
Once again, you were wrong...blinded by your arrogance as what? A liberal? Or a non-spanking parent?
The articles above came down more on the side of NON-spanking side than the spanking side but, unlike many of the other articles, we're unafraid of stating the fact that there was a lot of research purporting to show the negative effects of spanking, much of it had not been conclusive.
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