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Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 9:50:08 AM   
Aylee


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Status: offline 		They told me if I let my children out alone they would be snatched off the streets by strangers. And they were RIGHT!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/free-range-family-again-in-spotlight-after-police-pick-up-kids-6-and-10/2015/04/13/30e2a2f4-e1f1-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html

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A couple of months after Danielle and Alexander Meitiv were found responsible for “unsubstantiated neglect” for letting Rafi, 10, and Dvora, 6, walk home from a park close to where they live in downtown Silver Spring, they gave the children permission to do it again.

Responding to a call from a citizen, police collected the children and took them to CPS in Montgomery where, 5 1/2 anxious hours later, they were reunited with their parents.


I think term is kidnapping. Tar. Feathers.

It looks like CPS is pissed over being ridiculed in December and are trying to show the parents not to mess with the state.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 10:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		this was on the Kelly file last night (though i didn't get to see it) and I wondered about resurrecting the "helicopter parent vs free range kids" thread I started some months ago...I am glad you posted it.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 11:34:12 AM   
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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 11:45:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The Kelly File" follows Bill O'Reilly's show every weekday evening on Fox News.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 3:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		aylee, it's a news and commentary show on fox, hosted by megyn Kelly. they also do some investigative journalism.

if you go to the fox news website, or youtube for that matter, you can catch lots of video clips of segments of her show. you can probably very easily find the clip on her coverage/commentary on the topic of this thread.

here's some info on her:

www.foxnews.com/on-air/personalities/megyn-kelly/bio

years ago she was on the morning show with bill hemmer, and became so popular she got her own show early afternoon. in the past couple of years (again being so popular) fox shook up their evening lineup and gave her her own show at 9, bumping Hannity up to 10. the move seems to have paid off really well for both her and fox.



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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 3:54:53 PM   
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"The Kelly File" follows Bill O'Reilly's show every weekday evening on Fox News.

Oh. Fox. Right.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		a generation ago, though we didn't have the internet to be able to learn about it so quickly, I suspect stories like this didn't occur. its incredibly foreign to me to the point of bizarre. yes I grew up in a small city but at age 7 I was walking back and forth to school alone, or with friends. I often ran home at lunchtime and since both my parents worked, fed myself too.

today, during the school opening and the school closing times, there are major traffic jams and parents emerging from everywhere to escort their kids home.

though we engaged in organized sport, parents were never at practice and were more or less reserved supporters at games. but we also played by ourselves with no adult supervision, not just in backyards or the street out front, but in the parks, rivers, fields and woods--on our own.

the very notion that we have a term to identify what used to be normal, "free range parenting" or "free range kids" tells me we have moved in a direction that I know I am in disagreement with.

i think cases like this are great microcosms of larger issues we all wrangle about.

liberty vs security.

who do children belong to?

what is the role of government in the lives of its citizens?

it reminds me of the lord of the rings---how power (in this case in the hands of the state) just continues to grow and grow and grow until it threatens everything free.


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:29:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		fear is a dangerous thing and it seems to be rampant in some countries.

Stranger danger

home invasion

two phrases that only engender fear.

How scared are you?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:34:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Probably a fortunate thing that the citizen who noticed these children was concerned enough to alert the authorities....rather than some sick assed pervert,cause that shit does actually happen too.
So lets not lose sight of that,I'm going to assume that all of us can agree that our biggest treasures are tied up in these little people....so some measure of vigilance is usually attached

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:35:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		your thoughts bring this to mind too---that fear gives us the opportunity to grow in courage.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:41:10 PM   
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Probably a fortunate thing that the citizen who noticed these children was concerned enough to alert the authorities....rather than some sick assed pervert,cause that shit does actually happen too.
So lets not lose sight of that,I'm going to assume that all of us can agree that our biggest treasures are tied up in these little people....so some measure of vigilance is usually attached


mike im kinda in disagreement with your premise here. its a sort of false choice, or at best (or is it worst?) it assumes a reality where kids are so at risk for bad things happening to them that the state is somehow justified in scooping them up, haranguing the parents, and that a "concerned citizen" is applauded for blowing the whistle and our only two choices are between a molester getting them, or the police needing to first.

as it stands now the parents cannot raise their kids in the manner of their choosing, a manner in which practically all of us grew up on, without their kids being taken from them.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:41:43 PM   
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your thoughts bring this to mind too---that fear gives us the opportunity to grow in courage.

Assuming what doesn't make you afraid doesn't actually harm you too.
Teaching a child to feel secure in her/his own darkened bedroom at nite isn't the same as letting them "loose" in the world and HOPING no harm comes to them.

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Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:43:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

They told me if I let my children out alone they would be snatched off the streets by strangers. And they were RIGHT!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/free-range-family-again-in-spotlight-after-police-pick-up-kids-6-and-10/2015/04/13/30e2a2f4-e1f1-11e4-81ea-0649268f729e_story.html

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A couple of months after Danielle and Alexander Meitiv were found responsible for “unsubstantiated neglect” for letting Rafi, 10, and Dvora, 6, walk home from a park close to where they live in downtown Silver Spring, they gave the children permission to do it again.

Responding to a call from a citizen, police collected the children and took them to CPS in Montgomery where, 5 1/2 anxious hours later, they were reunited with their parents.


I think term is kidnapping. Tar. Feathers.

It looks like CPS is pissed over being ridiculed in December and are trying to show the parents not to mess with the state.


When I was a kid....I "free ranged' all across Bellevue Wa. It was a "downtown" of 1 story houses (30 years ago).....perverts I'm sure...hidden....later it became Microsoft's landscape...offices...industrial....business.

Like many places, it grew up. Like the orange groves of San Jose, the strawberry fields of Bellevue became 40 story buildings and....we....I....survived.

I think we coddle our children too much these days.

I also think that sick fucks are everywhere and....I'd never let my children leave the house today.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:46:20 PM   
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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:47:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

your thoughts bring this to mind too---that fear gives us the opportunity to grow in courage.

Assuming what doesn't make you afraid doesn't actually harm you too.
Teaching a child to feel secure in her/his own darkened bedroom at nite isn't the same as letting them "loose" in the world and HOPING no harm comes to them.


all of life is risk/reward. we cannot keep our kids "safe" to the point of their not experiencing life.

the kids arent being "turned loose" out into the world. they are being taught to deal with their freedom in a responsible way so they grow up that way, free.




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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:49:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


I also think that sick fucks are everywhere and....I'd never let my children leave the house today.


fear strikes again

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:49:57 PM   
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Do school buses have seat belts yet?


(Ain't THAT something?????)

WTF???? Over?????

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:51:02 PM   
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I also think that sick fucks are everywhere and....I'd never let my children leave the house today.


fear strikes again


Indeed.

Crazy shit eh?

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:52:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Probably a fortunate thing that the citizen who noticed these children was concerned enough to alert the authorities....rather than some sick assed pervert,cause that shit does actually happen too.
So lets not lose sight of that,I'm going to assume that all of us can agree that our biggest treasures are tied up in these little people....so some measure of vigilance is usually attached


mike im kinda in disagreement with your premise here. its a sort of false choice, or at best (or is it worst?) it assumes a reality where kids are so at risk for bad things happening to them that the state is somehow justified in scooping them up, haranguing the parents, and that a "concerned citizen" is applauded for blowing the whistle and our only two choices are between a molester getting them, or the police needing to first.

as it stands now the parents cannot raise their kids in the manner of their choosing, a manner in which practically all of us grew up on, without their kids being taken from them.

And I'm not sure about the intelligence of parents who would allow a ten year old to walk a six year old unaccompanied from a local park.
Shit happens,and it happens in the blink of an eye,folks actually do lose their children in this country,or hadn't you heard ?
My son hated the fact that I wouldn't allow him,as a small boy,to walk to the mens room alone in a public restaurant.Tough shit,it just was never going to happen....I can't imagine telling him to walk home from the park alone....certainly can't imagine repeating the same mistake twice.
Seems to me these parents were trying to make a point or prove something (perhaps flaunting the law in order to fight it) and were using their own kids to make this point.
As far as I'm concerned I've heard enough to think these two are idiots and probably need some adult supervision in how they raise their kids.

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RE: Free Range Parenting - 4/14/2015 4:54:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

your thoughts bring this to mind too---that fear gives us the opportunity to grow in courage.

Assuming what doesn't make you afraid doesn't actually harm you too.
Teaching a child to feel secure in her/his own darkened bedroom at nite isn't the same as letting them "loose" in the world and HOPING no harm comes to them.


all of life is risk/reward. we cannot keep our kids "safe" to the point of their not experiencing life.

the kids arent being "turned loose" out into the world. they are being taught to deal with their freedom in a responsible way so they grow up that way, free.





How much value do you place in healthy and harm free ?
Seems like you aren't willing to concede that there is indeed evil in the world.

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Forget Guns-----Ban the pools

Funny stuff....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNwFf991d-4


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