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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 4:08:19 PM   
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I never thought of that Sanity but it is true... but you know me... I am consistent and against cigarettes as well...lol

Butch

No,it isn't even close to being true....the costs are right there you could look it up.

See just how much us smokers cost you non smokers while we linger at deaths door

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 4:15:32 PM   
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It seems that someone thinks that it's a successful strategy that many tens of thousands of people actually die in the Narco Wars in Mexico Guatelmala etc to prevent the " flood of drugs that could addict and kill many more thousands."

Can't even do basic arithmetic so it's no surprise that thinking for themselves is a bit too much to ask.



I have to take issue with this Tweakable. The people smuggling heroin knew what they were doing they were also doing it out of greed. It ruins lives, not just of addicts but of the families they have and often the people they steal from to fund a habbit.

The war on drugs isnt perfect but it isnt pointless. Just ask anyone who has lost friends or family to addiction.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 4:21:20 PM   
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SOMETHING is going to kill you whether you smoke or not

Which is why dying younger from smoking has been shown to reduce overall health costs, nursing home costs, social security costs, etc

But beside being 180 degrees seperated from the reality on the smoking issue, and beside the way you ignored the way I tied it in to the argument we keep hearing for legalizing drugs such as heroine... Youve just unwittingly laid out the primary argument against voting in nanny state leftists

"We pay the bills, therefore we OWN you, and you WILL live your life exactly the way we tell you to."

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 4:28:55 PM   
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Seems like your head is on straight... no drugs and no cigarettes ... now if I could only get you a little more conservative...lol

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 5:07:06 PM   
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Personally, I think that if I were thinking of selling drugs in other countries, I'd 'Google' penalties for selling drugs in other countries. One of the first things to come up was this:
United States drug laws are often considered harsh, but the penalties for carrying or trafficking drugs in other countries, particularly those in Central America, South America, and Southeast Asia, can be much more severe. Here are twenty countries in which you do not want to be caught carrying or selling drugs.

Malaysia
In Malaysia, those who sell drugs can be punished with death. Just for having drugs in your possession, you can be fined, jailed, or deported. Driving drunk is also punished harshly in Malaysia.

China
In China, if you are caught with drugs, you could be forced to attend drug rehab in a facility run by the government. Execution is the penalty for some drug crimes.

Vietnam
In Vietnam, drug crimes are taken very seriously. If you are arrested with more than 1.3 pounds of heroin, you will automatically be executed.

Iran
Iran is not known to be tolerant of criminal offenses in general, and drug offenses are no different. The use of opium is a particular problem in Iran, in part because it is produced in neighboring Afghanistan. If you are caught with drugs in Iran, the best case scenario is a large fine and the worst-case scenario is the death penalty.

Thailand
In Thailand, those trafficking narcotics may be put to death. Drug users are frequently sentenced to mandatory rehab.

Dubai
Dubai is known to be very intolerant of drug abuse. Many prescription drugs that are legal in other parts of the world can get you put in jail in Dubai. It is typical for drug offenders to be sentenced to four years in prison and then be deported. Failing a drug test can be grounds for incarceration Dubai, even if you are not in possession of any drugs.

Saudi Arabia
The sale of drugs in Saudi Arabia almost always results in the death penalty. Saudi Arabia and judicial authorities are not inclined to make exceptions. Alcohol use is illegal in Saudi Arabia, and possession or use of alcohol or drugs can be punished by public flogging, fines, lengthy imprisonment, or death.

Singapore
Singaporean police will assume that you are selling drugs if you are caught with relatively small amounts. If you are convicted of selling drugs, you will be sentenced to death.

Cambodia
In Cambodia, you can be sentenced to many years in prison or even life in prison for possessing drugs. Unlike many other South Asian countries, Cambodia does not mandate the death penalty for drug trafficking.

Indonesia
Indonesian drug laws are harsh. If you are caught with marijuana, you can get up to twenty years in jail. Other drugs carry jail terms of up to twelve years, and the sale of drugs is punishable by death.

Laos
If you’re caught with drugs in Laos, you could pay up to $35,000. If you are found with narcotics, you could spend ten years or more in prison.

North Korea
Foreigners rarely visit North Korea, but there are several tour groups that can help you visit the reclusive nation. Do not bring drugs into North Korea, because you could find yourself sentenced to an extremely lengthy stay in a prison camp. You will have no contact with your friends or family, and it may be very difficult for the United States government to intervene.

The Philippines
In the Philippines, drug traffickers are sentenced to death. You may be presumed to be a drug trafficker if you have more than a third of an ounce of a drug in your possession.

Turkey
Penalties for drug possession in Turkey include large fines and long prison sentences. Penalties for selling drugs can be even stricter.

Costa Rica
As in other South American countries, possession of drugs in Costa Rica can land you in jail for a lengthy stay.

Columbia
If you get caught with drugs in Columbia, you will spend a long time in a very unpleasant prison. Police make several arrests a day at airports in Columbia, catching many foreign nationals.

http://drugabuse.com/the-20-countries-with-the-harshest-drug-laws-in-the-world/

And then, there's this:

For the record, using illegal drugs in any foreign country poses potential risks. However, narcotics offenders in certain countries face steep fines, lengthy prison stays and, in some cases, a death sentence. So if you happen to visit any of these countries, best refrain from trying to get high – it might just save your life.

China
China leads the world in executions, and drug offenders are often the ones being put to death (470 in 2007 alone). Chinese drug laws state that anyone caught smuggling no less than 1 kilogram of heroin or methyl Benzedrine may face the death penalty; the same fate awaits anyone who traffics no less than 50 grams of “other narcotics”, which can include cannabis, opium and cocaine. Despite catching some heat from international watchdog groups, China has remained defiant about its current drug policies – and travelers there are strongly warned against selling or using illegal narcotics.

Indonesia
Those who arrive at virtually any airport in Indonesia are greeted with a large, cheerful sign informing them that drug traffickers who are apprehended will be put to death. They mean business. The drug laws in Indonesia are so strict that parents who fail to notify the authorities of their children’s narcotics use could face criminal charges. These policies have done little to curb drug use among Indonesians, but the government still favors swift execution over long imprisonment as the main deterrent for would-be users and traffickers. And these laws are certainly not limited to the locals; three Australian men were caught smuggling heroin in 2006, and faced a firing squad as a result.

Iran
In the last few decades, more than 10,000 drug traffickers and narcotics users have been publicly executed as part of Iran’s ‘War on Drugs’. This policy seems to have gotten steeper in recent years; of the 650 individuals executed by the Iranian government in 2010, more than 90 percent were put to death for drug-related offenses. But punishment is not limited to dealers; those who are caught using or in possession of drugs (including cannabis) can face up to 70 public lashes. So if you’ve got the balls to visit Iran in 2012, hopefully you also have the brains to stay away from contraband during your trip.

Singapore
Considering that littering in Singapore can earn you a few lashes with a cane, this one should be a no-brainer. In terms of drug possession, certain amounts automatically upgrade the charges to international trafficking, regardless of whether or not any actual narcotic exchanges have taken place. But the country’s Misuse of Drugs Act also states that any persons caught leaving known drug establishments are subject to a police search (no warrant required) and could face maximum penalties. Singapore has come under fire for its harsh policies on hard drugs, such as execution for convicted heroin traffickers. But since drug prevalence on the tiny island nation is among the world’s lowest, don’t expect these regulations to soften anytime soon.

United Arab Emirates
The BBC recently highlighted strict drug laws in UAE, following the arrest and imprisonment of a deejay who carried 2.16 grams of cannabis into the Dubai International Airport (he claimed to have forgotten the drugs were in those jeans). DJ Grooverider was subsequently sentenced to four years in prison followed by an immediate deportation, though the sentence was later reduced to seven months. Even more shocking was an earlier case, in which a Swiss man was detained after authorities detected three poppy seeds on his shirt; the puzzled flier argued the ‘contraband’ was merely crumbs from a sandwich. He was ultimately let go, but travel advisory boards now warn that possession of any drugs in UAE – even trace amounts – can earn offenders years behind bars.

http://www.pacsafe.com/blog/5-countries-with-shockingly-severe-drug-laws/

And finally, here's a list of countries that have the most severe punishment for drug offenses.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_drug_trafficking

No one can say these men or anyone else cannot find out what happens when you have no regard for law.










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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 5:56:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Seems like your head is on straight... no drugs and no cigarettes ... now if I could only get you a little more conservative...lol

Butch

Yeah,somehow I don't see that change happening lol

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 5:58:44 PM   
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Only they weren't selling the drugs in Indonesia,if I read it right,they were smuggling the drugs thru Indonesia I would assume aiming to get to any one of the western drug consuming countries.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 6:03:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Only they weren't selling the drugs in Indonesia,if I read it right,they were smuggling the drugs thru Indonesia I would assume aiming to get to any one of the western drug consuming countries.


As if the difference is significant enough to argue

Smuggling drugs through, into, out of, selling drugs in... All equally worthy of the Darwin award they won

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 7:21:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Whats really weird is how (mostly those on the left, certainly not Libertarians) are in the middle of a decades long war on "big tobacco" or peoples' rights to enjoy a little nicotine before they die... While at the same time we are hearing this cacophony of pro-legalizing drugs sentiment from many of them

If you are really going to legalize heroine, why cant I have my twenty cent pack of cigarettes back


I don't know anyone left, right, or otherwise who wants to criminalize tobacco? That doesn't quite make sense?


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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 7:33:37 PM   
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No, but extreme restrictions on where you can smoke are certainly commonplace.

One local city has banned smoking outside at restaurants even. It's not difficult for me to avoid that whole city.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 7:41:38 PM   
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If anyone's interested in some conscious hip hop (rap with a positive message) check out this one about the failed War on Drugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwKDWNYOTW0
Most in this thread would learn quite a bit in 4 minutes from the knowledge packed into this track.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:02:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Whats really weird is how (mostly those on the left, certainly not Libertarians) are in the middle of a decades long war on "big tobacco" or peoples' rights to enjoy a little nicotine before they die... While at the same time we are hearing this cacophony of pro-legalizing drugs sentiment from many of them

If you are really going to legalize heroine, why cant I have my twenty cent pack of cigarettes back


I don't know anyone left, right, or otherwise who wants to criminalize tobacco? That doesn't quite make sense?




I just called truth on you at another thread. So I'm not just being a contrarian here. I've seen a lot of leftist trying to make tobacco illegal. I say as I'm enjoying a cigar and a toddy. But, I live in California so it may not be so obvious where you are. I don't know where you are. Then, again, I've seen the other half of leftists putting punishing taxes on the product and earmarking them for socialist programs. Google Rob Reiner's first five agenda.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:06:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Whats really weird is how (mostly those on the left, certainly not Libertarians) are in the middle of a decades long war on "big tobacco" or peoples' rights to enjoy a little nicotine before they die... While at the same time we are hearing this cacophony of pro-legalizing drugs sentiment from many of them

If you are really going to legalize heroine, why cant I have my twenty cent pack of cigarettes back


I don't know anyone left, right, or otherwise who wants to criminalize tobacco? That doesn't quite make sense?




I just called truth on you at another thread. So I'm not just being a contrarian here. I've seen a lot of leftist trying to make tobacco illegal. I say as I'm enjoying a cigar and a toddy. But, I live in California so it may not be so obvious where you are. I don't know where you are. Then, again, I've seen the other half of leftists putting punishing taxes on the product and earmarking them for socialist programs. Google Rob Reiner's first five agenda.



<shaking head>

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:07:33 PM   
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Lord, I can remember being on a hunting trip in Montana. Where we stayed the nearest paved road was 26 miles away. We once went into town for a cooked for us meal. We were at a nice, for Montana motel, and there was this whacko California woman wondering around sniffing and exclaiming at the top,of her voice that she smelled tobacco smoke here or there. Totally oblivious to the fact she wasn't in a California culture and completely expecting the local Serfs to pander to her nose.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:08:49 PM   
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No, but extreme restrictions on where you can smoke are certainly commonplace.

One local city has banned smoking outside at restaurants even. It's not difficult for me to avoid that whole city.


I am all for restrictions on where people smoke in public (tobacco, marijuana, or anything), as it is a carcinogenic hazard. Criminalizing private use is a failed policy.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:11:17 PM   
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No, but extreme restrictions on where you can smoke are certainly commonplace.

One local city has banned smoking outside at restaurants even. It's not difficult for me to avoid that whole city.


In California they've tried banning smoking in your own apartment because the smoke can travel through walls to adjoining apartments...or air vents.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:17:08 PM   
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Lord, I can remember being on a hunting trip in Montana. Where we stayed the nearest paved road was 26 miles away. We once went into town for a cooked for us meal. We were at a nice, for Montana motel, and there was this whacko California woman wondering around sniffing and exclaiming at the top,of her voice that she smelled tobacco smoke here or there. Totally oblivious to the fact she wasn't in a California culture and completely expecting the local Serfs to pander to her nose.



Actually, my hunting buddies and I now keep a nice 4x4 vehicle in the State of Washington with Washington license plates so when can hunt in states outside California without having the locals stigmatize us as whacko Californians.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:44:07 PM   
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I don't know anyone left, right, or otherwise who wants to criminalize tobacco? That doesn't quite make sense?




Who wrote anything about "criminalize"

Its the ever present creeping nag, starting with ever higher sin taxes. What is it, about five bucks a pack now, on a product that should cost you a quarter? Thats how they launched the first volleys in the war on drugs, they made the cost for the tax stamps so high on the stuff no one could pay it and when you were caught with it you were charged with tax evasion









Wasnt that also the basis for prohibition?



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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:51:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

I don't know anyone left, right, or otherwise who wants to criminalize tobacco? That doesn't quite make sense?




Who wrote anything about "criminalize"

Its the ever present creeping nag, starting with ever higher sin taxes. What is it, about five bucks a pack now, on a product that should cost you a quarter? Thats how they launched the first volleys in the war on drugs, they made the cost for the tax stamps so high on the stuff no one could pay it and when you were caught with it you were charged with tax evasion









Wasnt that also the basis for prohibition?




Prohibition yes and actually the original tea party.

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RE: Two more pointless deaths in the War on Drugs - 4/30/2015 8:56:00 PM   
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Lord, I can remember being on a hunting trip in Montana. Where we stayed the nearest paved road was 26 miles away. We once went into town for a cooked for us meal. We were at a nice, for Montana motel, and there was this whacko California woman wondering around sniffing and exclaiming at the top,of her voice that she smelled tobacco smoke here or there. Totally oblivious to the fact she wasn't in a California culture and completely expecting the local Serfs to pander to her nose.



Actually, my hunting buddies and I now keep a nice 4x4 vehicle in the State of Washington with Washington license plates so when can hunt in states outside California without having the locals stigmatize us as whacko Californians.


Gees, I remember when I used to smoke cigarets. I was at a minor league ball park. I was standing by the entrance gate 100's of feet if not yards from the nearest human smoking a cigarette...or fag as thishereboi would say. A woman went out of here way to walk up to me and tell me I was smoking in an illegal place. Leftist have no end of gall.

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