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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:25:40 PM   
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Im not even slightly having a tantrum, but keep using big words you obviously dont know how to use properly.

Now if cloudboy has an answer to my question, I will respond. otherwise...your request simply goes into the ether











The ether is fine. I expected no less, but I wanted to provide you a chance to validate your assertions. Basically, from you, the ether is always fine.

In fact...let's remember that line spoken in the movie Kill Bill 2. "Women, always giving us the silent treatment. They think we don't like it."

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:28:36 PM   
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Whatever your phrase was, you nailed it. BALTO is somewhat at peace now with the inspired announcement by Marilyn Moseby and the very good follow up by the Mayor, Stephanie Rawlings Blake.

Equal Justice for All. It is not easy to get there when you live and die in West Baltimore.

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:28:37 PM   
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Lucy,you will have mail in two minutes....you should read it ;-)


Done and sent

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:32:55 PM   
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The speed with which Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby brought charges against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray surprised many — including Gray's family.

Within hours of receiving a medical examiner's determination that Gray's death was a homicide, Mosby was seeking arrest warrants for the officers involved in Gray's arrest and ride to the Western District police station April 12.

Mosby said Friday that the charges were the result of a quiet investigation by prosecutors working 12- and 14-hour days alongside police investigators.

"This was not something that was quick, fast and in a hurry," Mosby said. "We reviewed hundreds of hours of camera footage and statements. This is something we worked really hard to get to the bottom of."


http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-speedy-justice-20150501-story.html

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BOOM. Well Done and Well handled.

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:34:47 PM   
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Of course when you look at this publication you see other titles such as: "Executioners vs. Veterinarians
Which do we kill more humanely, our pets or condemned prisoners?"
It's like the left needs to sit around and tell each other stories to make themselves feel bad so they can have bleeding hearts.

Usually its the executioners. Since the condemn to die have fucked with society in such a way to deserve their fate. However unlike previous generations, we choose to do it in a humane manner rather than 'throwing Christians into an arena with lions'. Though the direction of entertainment these days, and in the near future, I would not be surprise if someone makes this into a reality television series "killing the prisoners" or something like that.




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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 7:46:58 PM   
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The speed with which Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby brought charges against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray surprised many — including Gray's family.
Within hours of receiving a medical examiner's determination that Gray's death was a homicide, Mosby was seeking arrest warrants for the officers involved in Gray's arrest and ride to the Western District police station April 12.
Mosby said Friday that the charges were the result of a quiet investigation by prosecutors working 12- and 14-hour days alongside police investigators.
"This was not something that was quick, fast and in a hurry," Mosby said. "We reviewed hundreds of hours of camera footage and statements. This is something we worked really hard to get to the bottom of."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-speedy-justice-20150501-story.html
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BOOM. Well Done and Well handled.


I think this is going to be an interesting case. Has there been any explanations of how the story went from it not being at the cop's hands, and another prisoner in the van claiming Gray was thrashing about in the van, to it being homicide?

Rush was blathering on about that today (I only worked a half-day, so I was driving home while his show was on, and he was talking about Freddie Gray when I first turned it on; I don't normally hear Rush because I'm working while he's on). But, it does beg the question...



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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 8:02:07 PM   
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Whatever your phrase was, you nailed it. BALTO is somewhat at peace now with the inspired announcement by Marilyn Moseby and the very good follow up by the Mayor, Stephanie Rawlings Blake.

Equal Justice for All. It is not easy to get there when you live and die in West Baltimore.

Smiles, ok:) thankyou *curtsey*
I havent posted here or much the last couple of days but I have been following it,
What has sickened me is the devaluing of human life, american lives, race or creed shouldnt matter, but the piling on of tired ugly stereotypes is unfortunately giving up on hope for a way out of it.

THe talk about the money being thrown at poverty, is denying there is a problem that needs to be rectified. And suggesting that it can wait for the "black" community to figure it out for themselves. Oh and that bit about people being left in DIRE poverty(and not just one race or colour) while you fix the borders and immigration. its vomitworthy.





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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 8:40:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Whatever your phrase was, you nailed it. BALTO is somewhat at peace now with the inspired announcement by Marilyn Moseby and the very good follow up by the Mayor, Stephanie Rawlings Blake.

Equal Justice for All. It is not easy to get there when you live and die in West Baltimore.

Smiles, ok:) thankyou *curtsey*
I havent posted here or much the last couple of days but I have been following it,
What has sickened me is the devaluing of human life, american lives, race or creed shouldnt matter, but the piling on of tired ugly stereotypes is unfortunately giving up on hope for a way out of it.

THe talk about the money being thrown at poverty, is denying there is a problem that needs to be rectified. And suggesting that it can wait for the "black" community to figure it out for themselves. Oh and that bit about people being left in DIRE poverty(and not just one race or colour) while you fix the borders and immigration. its vomitworthy.





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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 8:45:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Whatever your phrase was, you nailed it. BALTO is somewhat at peace now with the inspired announcement by Marilyn Moseby and the very good follow up by the Mayor, Stephanie Rawlings Blake.

Equal Justice for All. It is not easy to get there when you live and die in West Baltimore.

Smiles, ok:) thankyou *curtsey*
I havent posted here or much the last couple of days but I have been following it,
What has sickened me is the devaluing of human life, american lives, race or creed shouldnt matter, but the piling on of tired ugly stereotypes is unfortunately giving up on hope for a way out of it.

THe talk about the money being thrown at poverty, is denying there is a problem that needs to be rectified. And suggesting that it can wait for the "black" community to figure it out for themselves. Oh and that bit about people being left in DIRE poverty(and not just one race or colour) while you fix the borders and immigration. its vomitworthy.





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Did you catch the humor there

Didnt know what she said, but it was all that and more...

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 8:57:49 PM   
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I think this is going to be an interesting case. Has there been any explanations of how the story went from it not being at the cop's hands, and another prisoner in the van claiming Gray was thrashing about in the van, to it being homicide?



There was no statement of facts or findings issued except that the Medical Examiner ruled the death a homicide. Mr. Chicken (I can't say his name) refused to answer what a "rough ride" was, but its when officers handcuff you behind your back, throw you into the back of a police van, and then drive recklessly making hard turns and abrupt stops. You can beat the shit out of someone this way without laying a hand on his person. There is a law in BALT that prisoners be seat belted in for protection, and that was not done in this case.

My understanding is that Gray was arrested without probable cause, handcuffed behind his back, and given a ride so rough that it broke his neck, paralyzed him, and killed him in the end. For this a second degree, depraved heart murder charge was issued.

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 9:00:54 PM   
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• One June night in 1980, Freddie Franklin was walking on 75th Street in Chicago with a friend when he said that a group of police officers wrongfully arrested him, placed him in handcuffs and forced him into the back of a wagon. Two officers drove the van recklessly, to throw him around the floor of the van, he said in a federal lawsuit. According to court documents, by the time Mr. Franklin arrived at the police station, he had bitten off his lower lip.

• At least two other Baltimore men, Jeffrey Alston and Dondi Johnson, were paralyzed after police van rides in separate cases that led to lawsuits. Mr. Alston, paralyzed from the neck down, settled for $6 million in 2004.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html?_r=0

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 9:01:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Whatever your phrase was, you nailed it. BALTO is somewhat at peace now with the inspired announcement by Marilyn Moseby and the very good follow up by the Mayor, Stephanie Rawlings Blake.

Equal Justice for All. It is not easy to get there when you live and die in West Baltimore.

Smiles, ok:) thankyou *curtsey*
I havent posted here or much the last couple of days but I have been following it,
What has sickened me is the devaluing of human life, american lives, race or creed shouldnt matter, but the piling on of tired ugly stereotypes is unfortunately giving up on hope for a way out of it.

THe talk about the money being thrown at poverty, is denying there is a problem that needs to be rectified. And suggesting that it can wait for the "black" community to figure it out for themselves. Oh and that bit about people being left in DIRE poverty(and not just one race or colour) while you fix the borders and immigration. its vomitworthy.





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Did you catch the humor there

Didnt know what she said, but it was all that and more...

Are you actually asking me if I caught the humor.....no insult intended Sanity,but I've forgotten more about humor than you have ever known.
So trust me where there is humor I will have caught it

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 9:02:10 PM   
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Are you actually asking me if I caught the humor.....no insult intended Sanity,but I've forgotten more about humor than you have ever known.
So trust me where there is humor I will have caught it


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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 9:05:30 PM   
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Man who shot Freddie Gray arrest video, 'I finally made a difference'

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/1/2015 9:35:26 PM   
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Are you actually asking me if I caught the humor.....no insult intended Sanity,but I've forgotten more about humor than you have ever known.
So trust me where there is humor I will have caught it


A legend in your own mind

Well fuck all Sanity.....if you had this mind you would be a legend too

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/2/2015 7:02:48 AM   
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I think this is going to be an interesting case. Has there been any explanations of how the story went from it not being at the cop's hands, and another prisoner in the van claiming Gray was thrashing about in the van, to it being homicide?

There was no statement of facts or findings issued except that the Medical Examiner ruled the death a homicide. Mr. Chicken (I can't say his name) refused to answer what a "rough ride" was, but its when officers handcuff you behind your back, throw you into the back of a police van, and then drive recklessly making hard turns and abrupt stops. You can beat the shit out of someone this way without laying a hand on his person. There is a law in BALT that prisoners be seat belted in for protection, and that was not done in this case.


http://nypost.com/2015/04/30/freddie-gray-killed-by-head-slamming-into-bolt-in-police-van-report/
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    What exactly caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer who was driving has not yet given a statement to authorities.
    It was also unclear whether Gray himself caused the injury — as another prisoner in the van had reportedly told investigators.
    That prisoner said he thought Gray “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” the Washington Post had reported.
    He told investigators that Gray “was still moving around, that he was kicking and making noises” until the van arrived at the police station. He did not see Gray, because the van had a partition.
    Baltimore Police Commissioner Anthony Batts said the other suspect also said the van’s driver did not speed, make sudden stops or drive erratically.


This article points out lots of questions regarding the trip. Without many of those questions answered, justice may not truly be served.

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My understanding is that Gray was arrested without probable cause, handcuffed behind his back, and given a ride so rough that it broke his neck, paralyzed him, and killed him in the end. For this a second degree, depraved heart murder charge was issued.


The arrest does seem to not have been warranted.

Has there been any proof that he was given a rough ride? If that can't be proven, how can the officers be convicted on that charge? If we don't believe the truth has been brought to light, we won't be able to trust the outcome of the case.

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/2/2015 7:44:09 AM   
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The guilty racists (no trial needed)

Let the celebrations roll on



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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/2/2015 9:19:06 AM   
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The guilty racists (no trial needed)

Let the celebrations roll on



Are those the charges filed Sanity....Racism ?

Are is this just another in a long line of bullshit posts under your avatar ?

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/2/2015 10:08:39 AM   
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The guilty racists (no trial needed)

Let the celebrations roll on



Are those the charges filed Sanity....Racism ?

Are is this just another in a long line of bullshit posts under your avatar ?


Come on now Mike. Those people have been tried and convicted in hundreds of news articles all across the country. Don't make me spend thirty seconds and find links to a couple of dozen. And...now....officially no charges for racism will be brought by the city because half the crew is black and we can't have racists blacks any more than blacks can perpetrate a thought crime....eer...hate crime.

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RE: David Simon on Baltimore Policing - 5/2/2015 11:36:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The guilty racists (no trial needed)

Let the celebrations roll on



Are those the charges filed Sanity....Racism ?

Are is this just another in a long line of bullshit posts under your avatar ?


Come on now Mike. Those people have been tried and convicted in hundreds of news articles all across the country. Don't make me spend thirty seconds and find links to a couple of dozen. And...now....officially no charges for racism will be brought by the city because half the crew is black and we can't have racists blacks any more than blacks can perpetrate a thought crime....eer...hate crime.


mike is just being deliberately obtuse there, Hunter. Desperate to hurl one of his typical petty insults

No one can be that... Out of touch

At least, I hope not

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