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joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:27:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee My favorite part of this rant is: "hundreds or so that were killed in that event" (Salem Witch Trials) How the math goes from 20 to hundreds. . . I have no idea. My three year old counts better. That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. Yes, I was incorrect, hundreds were accused, many of them tortured to extreme ways. Those that did not admit to witchcraft or talk eventually expired due to their conditions. Those that did, were executed. 20-30 were executed. Is your three your old son counting those that didn't admit to witchcraft and were tortured? Guess he inherited his mother's intelligence there.... Point of the matter is we see how religious folks approach dealing with a concept they know nothing about. They let their fears of the unknown and apparently of how teenagers behave, cloud their better judgement. That assumes they were innocent of the problems they created. More than likely there were some schemers involved that wanted to remove....problem....people for one reason or another and took advantage of a dimwitted and ignorant population.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:48:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The history of science comprises a laundry list of paradigm shifts of various magnitudes occasioned by advancements in our understanding, which is a polite way of saying discoveries that we were wrong. Smart money doesn't buck a trend. The currently fashionable scientific consensus is likely to face the same end. Yet we are repeatedly treated to posts that would read the same if the word "Bible" was substituted for the current scientific consensus, and I think such faith can only be described as religious. You really do not understand science. That you are trying to make it sound like a religion is amusing. Are you really that scared by technological advancements? Are many of them to hard for you to understand? Curious more people are joining scientific paths than religious ones around the world. Thanks to science many things have been accomplished that the 'Holy Bible' just could not perform. Sadly, people like you believe there is some sort of football game going on. That its 'science verse religion'. There are plenty of scientists whom are members of faith and philosophy. They seem to find a good balance; why cant you?

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:55:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Slander much, you twit? And lie. Can you be alittle less....vague? How about this? quote: ORIGINAL: joether That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. K.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Slander much, you twit? And lie. Can you be alittle less....vague? How about this? quote: ORIGINAL: joether That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. I would think your intelligent enough to know not to take things out of context. Apparently I was wrong.... I was not being vague in asking if Aylee was enjoying attacking someone over how other people were imprisoned, tortured and died.

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:07:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether You really do not understand science. That you are trying to make it sound like a religion is amusing. Actually, I was talking about people trying to make a religion sound like science. For further assistance, see here. quote: ORIGINAL: joether Are you really that scared by technological advancements? Are many of them to hard for you to understand? I don't think you understand the difference between science and engineering. Technology works. A theory that has for decades watched its predictions fail does not. quote: ORIGINAL: joether Sadly, people like you believe there is some sort of football game going on. That its 'science verse religion'. You're lying again. K.

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:27:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Slander much, you twit? And lie. Can you be alittle less....vague? How about this? quote: ORIGINAL: joether That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. I would think your intelligent enough to know not to take things out of context. Apparently I was wrong.... I was not being vague in asking if Aylee was enjoying attacking someone over how other people were imprisoned, tortured and died. The quote was an example of your slanders and lies. Get it now? K.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether You really do not understand science. That you are trying to make it sound like a religion is amusing. Actually, I was talking about people trying to make a religion sound like science. For further assistance, see here. You apparently fail twice in that task. Science is not a religion. While some of it explains to eat good foods and in what amounts; it does not state some supernatural event will occur if you do or do not. It does show likely outcomes. But leaves out the possibility that one or more factors could change things. I like to eat Maine Lobsters. Awesome when they are steamed. Usually each year I will get a couple to eat, the expenses be damn! Yet, according to Leviticus 11:12, I should not eat them. Why? Oh, and I used that one site online that shows all the versions. Because everyone knows their version of the Holy Bible is the 'one, true, Bible'. And that all other versions are wrong, right? If that was true.....why all the various versions of the original text? In science, someone could explain not to eat the lobsters due to a number of factors. Explaining how those factors could create problems within the human body. Granted this would create quite a stir in the fishing community; so a solution would have to be quickly found. With science.... quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Are you really that scared by technological advancements? Are many of them to hard for you to understand? I don't think you understand the difference between science and engineering. Technology works. A theory that has for decades watched its predictions fail does not. How did we acquire the knowledge of the technology in the first place? Do you have any idea the number of scientific theories known in the scientific community? If you did, you wouldn't have made the above comment. Since your ignorant of such knowledge, you went ahead in a lame attempt to attack me. Every technological discovery in the last fifty years has been through experimenting with ideas. Testing hypothesis, and looking at evidence. Some discoveries happen just by chance. Even when research was being conducted on something else. Some take place after eliminating other possible concepts. Science to me is quite fascinating. To help you better understand engineering's role in science, think of it this way: Scientist discover stuff; Engineers try to figure out how to use it. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Sadly, people like you believe there is some sort of football game going on. That its 'science verse religion'. You're lying again. If I am, prove it!

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:38:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The quote was an example of your slanders and lies. Get it now? Oh I get it. If she lies and slanders me, its 'OK' to you, right? But if I do it in retaliation, its wrong? Your full of shit! I didnt slander her. I asked if she took enjoyment in the concept. That you have problems understanding that difference.....twice now.....is really not my problem. An where am I lying? Since you didnt seem to put that in when given.....ANOTHER CHANCE.....to do so. I'll have to assume you cant find anywhere I'm lying, since I'm not lying. Who would know whether I'm lying? The person that is me? Or you?

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:47:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Sadly, people like you believe there is some sort of football game going on. That its 'science verse religion'. You're lying again. If I am, prove it! I have never expressed the view that there is any kind of fundamental conflict or competition between science and religion. Like so many of your other claims, you just made that up. In actual fact, I've said exactly the opposite: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4582096 Own it, joether. You're a serial liar. K.

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:56:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Your full of shit! I think we've already settled the question of who is full of shit here, but for another case in point: quote: ORIGINAL: joether I didnt slander her. I asked if she took enjoyment in the concept. That you have problems understanding that difference.....twice now.....is really not my problem. That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. That's not a question, bozo. K.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 3:47:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Sadly, people like you believe there is some sort of football game going on. That its 'science verse religion'. You're lying again. If I am, prove it! I have never expressed the view that there is any kind of fundamental conflict or even competition between science and religion. Like so much of the rest of what you post, you just made that up. In actual fact, I've said exactly the opposite: Bullshit, pick any of the threads on Climate Change. If I 'made shit up', why is it I post links to stuff....OUTSIDE.....of Collarspace? An that the information gets from those external places is used as part of what I state? Saying 'You make shit up' is a knee-jerk defense mechanism when you have nothing intelligent or useful to state. In other words, I usually have the air tight case that took into account a possible way for you to attack my post. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Own it, joether. You're a serial liar. That link of yours does not say one way or another that you support the concepts of science. That you are saying the two are equal when in reality they are not. They do not even cover the same sort of stuff. An yet the uneducated religious folks try their best to equate the two together. Or have you never seen a Creationism verse Evolution thread on here? The two concepts talk about very different things. Why not a discussion on Creationist verse Abiogenesis? Because at the time, Evolution was seen as the 'big evil' concept by religious folks. Right now, its Climate Change. Since religious folks are heavily 'in' with the GOP/TP. Unlike the old C vs E debate, now we are tortured with bad information from religious nuts that dont know shit about science. Why is that? Maybe they perceive science as the driving reason for why people are leaving faith and trying other pursuits. Yet many different understandings of science that make up Climate Change are also found else where. Likewise by researching things from Climate Change we have made advances else where in the sciences. For example, manufacturing better solar cell technology. An frankly Kirata, your a serial fucktardic baka dekai guzo! PS: Hey Mods, this asshole insults me on just about every post reply. If insulting me is 'ok', then I'll find new and creative ways to insult him. Otherwise I suggest your warnings are not enough to make him behave and perhaps an outright ban will work? PSS: 'Baka' is Stupid in Japanesse. 'Dekai Guzo' is Idiot in Rokugani (L5R).

bounty44 -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 3:58:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Science is not a religion... I like to eat Maine Lobsters. Awesome when they are steamed. Usually each year I will get a couple to eat, the expenses be damn! Yet, according to Leviticus 11:12, I should not eat them. a couple of things: one of the definitions of religion is: "something compared to religious faith as a controlling influence on a person's life." for some people, science is a religion, or akin to religious faith. more importantly, your hatred for Christianity aside, before you mock and criticize something (the bible in this case) you would do well to actually understand it first.

Aylee -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 4:03:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee My favorite part of this rant is: "hundreds or so that were killed in that event" (Salem Witch Trials) How the math goes from 20 to hundreds. . . I have no idea. My three year old counts better. That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. Liar. quote: Yes, I was incorrect, hundreds were accused, many of them tortured to extreme ways. Those that did not admit to witchcraft or talk eventually expired due to their conditions. No. quote: Those that did, were executed. 20-30 were executed. 19 were hung and 1 was pressed to death. quote: Is your three your old son counting those that didn't admit to witchcraft and were tortured? Guess he inherited his mother's intelligence there.... Go watch Sesame Street and tell me what comes after 19. Twit. quote: Point of the matter is we see how religious folks approach dealing with a concept they know nothing about. They let their fears of the unknown and apparently of how teenagers behave, cloud their better judgement. That assumes they were innocent of the problems they created. More than likely there were some schemers involved that wanted to remove....problem....people for one reason or another and took advantage of a dimwitted and ignorant population. Point of the matter is you have no idea what was going on in 1692-93. Twit. Not every accuser was a teenager. Twit. Just because people lived in the 17th century did not make them ignorant. Why you feel the need to slander huge swathes of people is unknown. Get some therapy. Twit.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 4:08:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether Your full of shit! I think we've already settled the question of who is full of shit here, but for another case in point: Yes, your full of shit. Each and every post you try to attack me on, is easily countered. Usually with facts. I'm still waiting on your reply on why the ice of the arctic is still diminishing? Since you deny that science has it right. Maybe you could tell me while its gone from the mid-twenties in square miles in the 80's to just eight thousand in 2013? That's for the winter months. Still waiting on the summer question as well. For that one, its the denial that it was shrinking to the low twenties in the 80's, and about fifty-four hundred in 2013? There is...ALOT....of stuff I ask you in all fairness and you never deliver on any of them with a straight and honest answer. Always dodge, evading and even out-right-ignoring it. When you have, I've easily debunked the concept (again, because scientists were able to debunk the moron you got the material from originally). So from this side of the internet it seems the 'the one full of shit' is you. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: joether I didnt slander her. I asked if she took enjoyment in the concept. That you have problems understanding that difference.....twice now.....is really not my problem. That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. That's not a question, bozo. Oh, because it doesnt have a symbol like this one, '?'; therefore it can not be a question. I know for a Grammar Nazi* like you; you are limited in thought on the subject matter. People can ask questions in the form of a statement. I believe that if 'X' concept were introduced into 'Y' situation, that 'Z' event will likely take place. <---That is a question. That you will not understand it, is not my problem! So to help with the issue you are obviouslly having problems on, allow me to dumb down the English for you.... ....The question/statement is on the belief that no, Aylee maybe many things, but not someone that takes enjoyment from it. An all this person has to do is say "No, I do not take enjoyment....". But you need to make this an 'issue'. I think its because you really have nothing useful to say and just need....something....to attack me on. You really dont care what it is. *: Yes that sentence could be a question or a statement. In that particular case, I decided on a statement. Have a problem with it? Tough Shit!

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 4:57:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee My favorite part of this rant is: "hundreds or so that were killed in that event" (Salem Witch Trials) How the math goes from 20 to hundreds. . . I have no idea. My three year old counts better. That you take enjoyment and glee in how other people died is disturbing. Liar. Oh, how 'mature' of you.... ...While I was hoping you would prove Kirata wrong and be more dignified; you yet again show that immaturity streak that I've come to know and depend on. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: Yes, I was incorrect, hundreds were accused, many of them tortured to extreme ways. Those that did not admit to witchcraft or talk eventually expired due to their conditions. No. According to your answer those individuals must STILL be living, right? If I'm lying, not only is the medical science wrong, but all those people should be still living. PROVE IT! Should check out the Spanish Inquisition some time from the local library. For someone that suppose has something to do with BDSM, you really dont know much about torture and its effects (short and long term). quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: Those that did, were executed. 20-30 were executed. 19 were hung and 1 was pressed to death. Offically speaking.... Unofficially speaking? Some of those that were tortured for a confession would not have expired so soon had they not be tortured. Are you accounting for that medical detail? quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: Is your three your old son counting those that didn't admit to witchcraft and were tortured? Guess he inherited his mother's intelligence there.... Go watch Sesame Street and tell me what comes after 19. Twit. There are many numbers that comes after 19. 25, 392, 49302, etc. Likewise 19.01, 19.0002, 19.00000000000004, etc. Then of course there is 19x, 19x^3, etc. That you can't consider all of these REALLY shows the twit on display. Maybe you should attend something more advanced than the 2nd grade..... quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: Point of the matter is we see how religious folks approach dealing with a concept they know nothing about. They let their fears of the unknown and apparently of how teenagers behave, cloud their better judgement. That assumes they were innocent of the problems they created. More than likely there were some schemers involved that wanted to remove....problem....people for one reason or another and took advantage of a dimwitted and ignorant population. Point of the matter is you have no idea what was going on in 1692-93. Twit. Besides what would be the Crucible? You know all I have to do is go on google and type in "what happened in 1692"? Do you have any idea how dumb you sound here? Oh, I can even do it for 1693 as well! quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Not every accuser was a teenager. Twit. Yes, in order to carry out the 'legal' business, a few adults had to accuse someone of something. I was figuring you would understand that concept without having to insult your intelligence....AGAIN. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Just because people lived in the 17th century did not make them ignorant. Why you feel the need to slander huge swathes of people is unknown. Get some therapy. Twit. Which is bigger? The knowledge of reality in the 17th century or the current century? This shouldn't be a tough one for even someone 'a few clowns short of a full circus'. I never stated everyone in the 17th century was ignorant. You assume that based on no actual evidence. I stated the religious morons were ignorant (of Salem). That they have never heard of teenagers doing stupid shit to get attention. Heck, they were teenagers once and should know they did some pretty stupid stuff when they were young. That the Christian religion was used to spread fear, hatred, anger, and animosity. A very dark time for the religion.

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 5:04:35 AM)
Whoosh! [:D] K.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 5:09:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: joether Science is not a religion... I like to eat Maine Lobsters. Awesome when they are steamed. Usually each year I will get a couple to eat, the expenses be damn! Yet, according to Leviticus 11:12, I should not eat them. a couple of things: one of the definitions of religion is: "something compared to religious faith as a controlling influence on a person's life." for some people, science is a religion, or akin to religious faith. more importantly, your hatred for Christianity aside, before you mock and criticize something (the bible in this case) you would do well to actually understand it first. I'm pretty sure that Leviticus says that you shouldn't eat lobster in non-Kosher restaurants. I hope I was helpful. Michael

Sanity -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 7:12:51 AM)
Lacking refrigeration, or ice, or modern knowledge about sea food preparation, a general law forbidding certain certain kinds of sea foods in the diet at the time Leviticus was written likely sprang from a fountain of wisdom that certain types of know-it-all bigots will never comprehend

tweakabelle -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:05:35 AM)
Perhaps Americans are unaware of how these matters get reported in the international media. The UK Guardian reports: A neurosurgeon who believes the human brain is too complex for anyone but God, an ophthalmologist who refuses to talk about the age of the Earth, and a Harvard-trained lawyer beloved by creationists are running for president of the United States, raising the prospect of an election without science. Retired doctor Ben Carson joined senators Rand Paul (the ophthalmologist) and Ted Cruz (the Harvard alum) on the campaign trail on Monday, vying for the Republican nomination against each other and other confirmed and likely candidates including Senator Marco Rubio, former Florida governor Jeb Bush and Wisconsin governor Scott Walker. But despite assorted elite educations and illustrious careers, none can apparently make up their minds about basics of modern science – that the Earth is about 4.5bn years old, that humans evolved from earlier primates over millions of years, and that people are making the world dangerously warm. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/05/america-politicians-evolution-climate-change The derisory tone evident here is usually reserved for reporting the more excessive type of redneck/backwoodsmen's antics.

Sanity -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:12:34 AM)
We should care? (How did they report on a certain junior senator who constantly voted "present". You know the one, he earned a peace prize for dutifully attending racist sermons every week).

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