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Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:22:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Perhaps Americans are unaware of how these matters get reported in the international media. Maybe they should report this: [image]local://upfiles/235229/CCE10F5DC0C242D0856ABC2564E5F636.jpg[/image] Table Source [:)] K.

tweakabelle -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:30:25 AM)
quote: Sanity We should care? It is a matter for concern if one of these lunatics who prefer superstition to accepted science becomes POTUS. Just look at the mess caused by the last POTUS who espoused similar positions. It wasn't so long ago after all. Of course Sanity you have a perfect right not to be concerned if the POTUS believes in fairy tales or that evolution is a myth. But if it was me I would be concerned if the rest of the world was sneering at my country's political leaders in much the same manner as most of us sneer at North Korea's Kim Jong Il.

Lucylastic -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:32:51 AM)
considering that the survey was done on wether astrology was scientific or not I think you have a lil manipulation going on

Lucylastic -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:35:56 AM)
Or that you left out a lot of numbers [image]local://upfiles/228382/A2CFCB7000314D75B1616B18AD97F1B7.jpg[/image]

Lucylastic -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:39:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: Sanity We should care? It is a matter for concern if one of these lunatics who prefer superstition to accepted science becomes POTUS. Just look at the mess caused by the last POTUS who espoused similar positions. It wasn't so long ago after all. Of course Sanity you have a perfect right not to be concerned if the POTUS believes in fairy tales or that evolution is a myth. But if it was me I would be concerned if the rest of the world was sneering at my country's political leaders in much the same manner as most of us sneer at North Korea's Kim Jong Il. I prefer the other candidates "knowledge" further down the page:) Curiously, Carson did not reject natural selection – the engine that drives evolution – saying he “totally believe(s)” that useful genetic traits are more often passed on than less useful traits. But he could not draw the connection between that process acting over millennia and the human eye: “Give me a break. According to their scheme – boom, it had to occur overnight.” Instead, he suggested an “intelligent creator” gave organisms the ability to adapt “so he doesn’t have to start over every 50 years creating all over again”. Cruz – whose father has said evolution is a communist plot – has courted the creationist camp with only a dab more subtlety. While avoiding talk of his own beliefs, he announced his campaign at the evangelical Liberty University, which teaches creationism as science. Paul, Rubio and Walker have tried to duck the issue. In 2010 Paul refused to answer a Kentucky homeschool student’s question whether the Earth was only a few thousand years old, and in 2012 Rubio told GQ: “I’m not a scientist, man … I think parents should be able to teach their kids what their faith says, what science says.”

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:40:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic considering that the survey was done on wether astrology was scientific or not I think you have a lil manipulation going on Or you could read the paper before you open your mouth? K.

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:43:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Or that you left out a lot of numbers I left out more than some numbers, I left out a whole raft of tables. Here's another: [image]local://upfiles/235229/CAADC014769B4A8D8511ED5CF22A275A.jpg[/image] K.

Lucylastic -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 9:51:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic considering that the survey was done on wether astrology was scientific or not I think you have a lil manipulation going on Or you could read the paper before you open your mouth? K. why, nobody else seems to including your self I have the paper in front of me I have read it and im well aware of the other questions and the tables. I however didnt cut off figures, as that kinda made your claim , shitty as a lil shitty thing

Kirata -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 10:13:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I however didnt cut off figures, as that kinda made your claim , shitty as a lil shitty thing The other numbers are irrelevant to the main comparison, but say whatever makes you feels good. K.

HunterCA -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 10:46:47 AM)
Anecdotal obviously. But at my university science stuff was all done in a couple of buildings way off away from other parts of the university. I spent a lot of time in the science buildings and found most of the scientists there to be very conservative. Then, I remember reading, oh maybe seven years ago so I'm not going to find a link, about how politically correct leftists we're going to make science more amiable to political correctness. It was going to be the new academic wave. They were just going to begin defining the answers they wanted and ignoring any science that didn't yeild those answers because that was, after all, what the left needed science to do. The rest was just all mumbo jumbo and needed to be ignored.

HunterCA -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 11:27:45 AM)
http://www.allaboutworldview.org/postmodern-science.htm http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reality.html http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/pomosci.htm http://www.openculture.com/2013/07/noam-chomsky-calls-postmodern-critiques-of-science-over-inflated-polysyllabic-truisms.html http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2012/02/post-modern-science.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_wars

PeonForHer -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 11:27:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Anecdotal obviously. But at my university science stuff was all done in a couple of buildings way off away from other parts of the university. I spent a lot of time in the science buildings and found most of the scientists there to be very conservative. Then, I remember reading, oh maybe seven years ago so I'm not going to find a link, about how politically correct leftists we're going to make science more amiable to political correctness. It was going to be the new academic wave. They were just going to begin defining the answers they wanted and ignoring any science that didn't yeild those answers because that was, after all, what the left needed science to do. The rest was just all mumbo jumbo and needed to be ignored. I get the same impression - of scientists up till the 1970s, at least. The heydays of empiricism, and all that - Thomas Kuhn only published in the late 1960s and made the word 'paradigm' currency in the academic world. Since then, there was apparently a burgeoning of books on the philosophy, sociology, politics (etc) of science. The last time I popped into the local uni library, I saw entire rows of such stuff. The days when scientists did something pure, plodding and 'self-evidently beyond or above' concerns about unconscious structures that shape their thinking are long gone by now.

HunterCA -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 11:35:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tkman117 Lol, there is only one type of science: science. Anything else isn't science, or is classified as psuedoscience. Sadly those on the right have an inability to understand that, most likely because science kinda ruins their fabricated reality with uncomfortable truths. I get such a kick out of this guy's lecturing us all on things he obviously knows nothing about but holds to as if a religion. I especially enjoyed his lecture to us a few days ago on the water situation in California, where I've worked as an environmental engineer for the past thirty years. It was a purty catachism of leftist theology with very little grounding in anything scientific. I've developed simple classroom awareness slide shows to be shown to fourth grade classes with more scientific fact. I should probably add, for Tkman117, that the State of California requires, through individual NPDES permits (Google it Tkman117)) that every local government agency provide citizen information regarding storm water discharges into state waterways. One of the easiest things to do in order to check off that box in an NPDES report to the state is show classroom awareness series that are shown to the local schools. Tkman117 can probably Google any number of those easily and raise his awareness level to a cursory fourth grade level.

HunterCA -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 12:38:51 PM)
Tkman117, here is the report of a biological research paper that says we may have to rethink the theory of evolution. So, still just one science? Also, can you find me a link in an mainstream evolution paper that discusses the evolution of life as opposed to the evolution of species? http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080928/full/news.2008.1134.html

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:37:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: joether Science is not a religion... I like to eat Maine Lobsters. Awesome when they are steamed. Usually each year I will get a couple to eat, the expenses be damn! Yet, according to Leviticus 11:12, I should not eat them. a couple of things: one of the definitions of religion is: "something compared to religious faith as a controlling influence on a person's life." for some people, science is a religion, or akin to religious faith. more importantly, your hatred for Christianity aside, before you mock and criticize something (the bible in this case) you would do well to actually understand it first. Yeah, because Christians are such a model class of individuals for understanding concepts, ideas, people, and events, right? What was the Crusades about? A joy and happy travel down into the Middle East from Europe to give hugs and cheer? How about that Spanish Inquisition? Real 'BDSM' lovers, right? Or modern day, any of the organizations and groups the Southern Poverty Law Center laws as a hate group? Like the Westboro Baptist Church? This is the one class in America that is fully against gay marriage for example. That a one time most of the nation had laws banning such a thing. Yet over time that's been reduced to just fourteen states. That's because once the christian component of arguments is removed each of these laws have not had a lot of ground to stand on. Or Stem Cell Research. If you recall back in the 1990's, how Christians were fearful that scientists would use stem cells to create whole people out of laboratories. It was completely a false idea. Stem cells could not do anything like that. Or be used to create human body parts. So obtaining research to find what this technology could offer in the country was vastly limited. In fact other nations around the world made advances because they were not limited to such 'moronic' individuals. Then we have the issue with Climate Change. What goes into this science is pretty advanced stuff. More than once many intelligent and educated people have tried to explain to the Christians in this nation of what it is and isnt. The belief that if the planet was really becoming an ugly place, that sky deity would step in and save the day. Like solving all that world hunger and suffering, right? In college I recall being in the computer lab doing a research paper. The guy next to me had a physics text and a bible open on either side of him. Out of curiosity I asked what he was writing about. "I'm trying to disprove the Theory of Evolution using nothing but the Hole Bible". Strange people those southerners.... The Christian religion isn't to tough to figure out. Its made for someone with not even a junior high school background. A pile of concepts are just false (based on science) and some are contradicting. There are Christians that I dont have a problem with. These tend to be the individuals that seek to help the poor, the suffering, the ill, the homeless, and the weak. Giving much of their resources to aid these people. Doing so because they believe its the right thing from their understanding of the bible. Often times these people have no problems with science. That you and others view science like a religion shows the limit of your thinking and imagination. Science does not require you to believe anything. Nor is anything consisted 'beyond' being studied and tested.

bounty44 -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:49:25 PM)
the sad thing there is, theres really nothing you've said that addressed anything I said... and yet you still mock and criticize something you don't understand.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:51:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Lacking refrigeration, or ice, or modern knowledge about sea food preparation, a general law forbidding certain certain kinds of sea foods in the diet at the time Leviticus was written likely sprang from a fountain of wisdom that certain types of know-it-all bigots will never comprehend Actually it was the belief that some animals from the ocean were poisonous. Therefore even cooking them could prove hazardous to one's health. The Bible is an interesting book, but not in the manner right-wingers view it. It gives a window of understanding into how people looked and viewed at the universe around them some two thousand years ago. They tried to place concepts they found as stories to explain how to do good things and not the bad stuff. Several important ideas come from this book, like 'treating others as you would be treated', and the power of true forgiveness. The whole point is folks from back then didn't understand many things. But they needed something to help combat that one village asshole who called the leaders out as ignorant fucktards. They didn't understand things as they didnt have any way or means to understand them. Why was the sky blue? What happens to water when it boils? How to people get sick? An a million other questions. It was easy to say that demons attacked someone's body when they got sick, since it didn't require anyone to prove that demons existed or were able to do that. In modern day one would be laughed and mocked for saying such a thing given what we know of medical science. Since we know what we know of shellfish. How to properly cook and serve them; should all of us (not just Christians) not eat lobsters? Is it 'OK' for Christians to pick and choose which parts of the Bible they will follow because the others are politically inconvenient to them?

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 1:53:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the sad thing there is, theres really nothing you've said that addressed anything I said... and yet you still mock and criticize something you don't understand. I did address each point you made. You just do not like the manner in which I did it.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:05:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Tkman117, here is the report of a biological research paper that says we may have to rethink the theory of evolution. So, still just one science? Also, can you find me a link in an mainstream evolution paper that discusses the evolution of life as opposed to the evolution of species? http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080928/full/news.2008.1134.html There is nothing in that link that would force anyone to rethink the Theory of Evolution. There are organisms that have obtain characteristics due to environmental factors. Natural and artificial. That it is possible for some characteristics to be dormant or absent when born. Its an interesting read, but I really do not see it shattering any concepts as of yet.

joether -> RE: Scientists not welcome... (5/6/2015 2:40:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Anecdotal obviously. But at my university science stuff was all done in a couple of buildings way off away from other parts of the university. I spent a lot of time in the science buildings and found most of the scientists there to be very conservative. Then, I remember reading, oh maybe seven years ago so I'm not going to find a link, about how politically correct leftists we're going to make science more amiable to political correctness. It was going to be the new academic wave. They were just going to begin defining the answers they wanted and ignoring any science that didn't yeild those answers because that was, after all, what the left needed science to do. The rest was just all mumbo jumbo and needed to be ignored. Sounds like a conspiracy theory. That you don't have any evidence does help to support that notion. It relieves you of having to back up your rumors and speculation with solid evidence. Science is not about political correctness; its about finding answers to questions through a process known as the scientific method. If you view science directly, politics should not enter the equation at any point. That politics comes into science just as it does for any other concept is not unique either. We find evidence that by actions being taken have a negative impact on the health conditions of the population; is it the responsibility of these scientists to explain this to government and have laws created that stop or mitigate those actions? Yet, your saying that should not happen. Being an engineer I would think you would value the understanding of taking stuff we found though science an using it for good applications that improve humanity.

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