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Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 12:55:15 AM   
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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:20:50 AM   
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The black kids needs to be horse whipped. The White Kid was honoring his family of vets.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:30:46 AM   
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Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:39:48 AM   
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Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


I actually thought that flag wearing and flying fell under the first amendment and so it was already a law.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:44:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


I actually thought that flag wearing and flying fell under the first amendment and so it was already a law.


I mean tie it to school funding.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:48:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


It could be reasonable that the wearing or flying the flag is used as a manner of disruption towards the educating of children. Its a really delicate situation in most cases. We want to encourage the use of the flag but not create havoc in the classroom as a result of it. That both have been used to threaten and bully other students. Do you want the American flag being used as a metaphorical weapon to intimidate other students? Schools tend to walk a fine line here.

Congress could not make it a law. Would run afoul with 1st amendment problems. Its been tried in several places and the courts have struck down the practice. Each law can have one or more exceptions to the rules. So creating a law that handles this process and survives court actions is highly unlikely to be easily written. The problem there is the law has to be 'just right'; neither broad nor narrow.


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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 2:03:20 AM   
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Don't most classrooms still have American flags in them already? How could a t-shirt with one be disruptive? (Not including any text added, only a flag. Ok, maybe an eagle.)

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 2:37:41 AM   
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quote:

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This is offensive:





Not to me.

quote:

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This is not offensive:



Any questions?

K.



As offensive (to me) as this is, I understand that it is offensive speech that must be protected.

I'm expected to be civilized and not beat the shit out of this ignorant piece of shit who so obviously is asking for it. I do that. I'm civilized.

Not only do I not give him the ass-whoopin' he's begging for, I defend his right to engage in that egregious behavior and STFU about what I think about his ignorance and arrogance.

Why can't the people who find the first photo so offensive (usually PPLs who are claiming to speak for the poor immigrants who have no voice ... you know, the ones that don't want to draw attention to themselves?), do the same thing?

Answer: They have this incessant and obsessive need to control everyone's lives to the point of controlling their very thoughts. Orwell would be proud ... NOT!!!



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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 2:45:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


I actually thought that flag wearing and flying fell under the first amendment and so it was already a law.


I mean tie it to school funding.


As much as I kind of agree with the sentiment, I'm not sure it would be very "fair".

Example: Anytown, USA Public School System, a regular, public school system that participates in the federal lunch program and a myriad of other federal money-sinks decides that they are not going to fly the American flag on any campus (a move which wouldn't raise an eyebrow with the current administration, by the way).

The feds have this law you're encouraging. They with-hold funding. Okay. It's a "feel good" move. Who suffers?

The children, going to school in the system who likely had no say as to whether or not the flag would be flown.

Now, tie it to whether or not the NEA is allowed to represent the teachers in contract negotiations and you may have something there.



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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 4:37:46 AM   
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Personally, with the Union Jack, I wouldn't either fly it from a car (in the same way as in the OP's photo) or walk over it. The first, because it's become associated with the far right racist fringe here; the second, because it'd be offensive to what I'd call 'bona fide patriots'.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 6:52:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


It could be reasonable that the wearing or flying the flag is used as a manner of disruption towards the educating of children. Its a really delicate situation in most cases. We want to encourage the use of the flag but not create havoc in the classroom as a result of it.


Or FFS! Females here the same crap about disrupting education if a bra strap gets shown. How about we insist that children pay attention in class instead of trying to regulate what other people are wearing. And because this is you, twit, I am not suggesting speedos or bikinis being okay or any other ridiculous suggestion.

quote:

That both have been used to threaten and bully other students. Do you want the American flag being used as a metaphorical weapon to intimidate other students? Schools tend to walk a fine line here.


The things used to threaten and bully students is legion. How about no threatening or bullying. Although to be fair it would not not matter what all was disallowed, children are going to find a way to threaten and bully.

quote:

Congress could not make it a law. Would run afoul with 1st amendment problems. Its been tried in several places and the courts have struck down the practice. Each law can have one or more exceptions to the rules. So creating a law that handles this process and survives court actions is highly unlikely to be easily written. The problem there is the law has to be 'just right'; neither broad nor narrow.




Bull. The courts have upheld the right to wear the flag, walk on the flag, set it on fire.


Most class rooms have flags in them as well as the sports fields.

Lots of businesses fly flags.

At some point all you special snowflakes need to stop insisting that other people fall in line with your delicate sensibilities.


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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 6:54:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


I actually thought that flag wearing and flying fell under the first amendment and so it was already a law.


I mean tie it to school funding.


I disagree with this because I think the federal Dept. of Education should be disbanded. They should not be telling schools what they cannot and can do.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 8:13:08 AM   
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totally agree with that last point...and for returning power not only to the state level, but much more to the local level.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 11:39:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Don't most classrooms still have American flags in them already? How could a t-shirt with one be disruptive? (Not including any text added, only a flag. Ok, maybe an eagle.)


Not all classrooms have American flags in them. The more affluent the neighborhood to which the school is located in; the more likely an American flag will be in a class room. Unfortunately it comes down to budget items. Schools in poor neighborhoods would like many things; unfortunately their resources are quite limited.

Its a curious thing with artwork to a t-shirt. Back when I was in school, a t-shirt showing the demons from Warhammer (i.e. the Chaos Armies) had images of demons and armored 'knights' (called Chaos Lords in the game system). Had a teacher that was offended by it. I knew of one person that wore a t-shirt with snakes on it because one of the students they were bullying had a fear of them. I'm sure if want to know more, take a visit to your local school system and either ask the principals or 'school psychologists' what impacts imagery on shirts can have towards staff and student alike. Even one with an American flag upon it.

How could a flag be disruptive? Consider the Nazi War Flag towards Jewish students in the 1950's whom are recent immigrants from Europe. Would that not be disruptive? Or the Confederate flag to black students in the South? Or the American flag towards Native Americans?

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 12:29:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
Any school that receives federal funds should stfu about kids wearing the flag, or flying it in any patriotic manner.

Actually, Congress should make that a law.


It could be reasonable that the wearing or flying the flag is used as a manner of disruption towards the educating of children. Its a really delicate situation in most cases. We want to encourage the use of the flag but not create havoc in the classroom as a result of it.

Or FFS! Females here the same crap about disrupting education if a bra strap gets shown. How about we insist that children pay attention in class instead of trying to regulate what other people are wearing. And because this is you, twit, I am not suggesting speedos or bikinis being okay or any other ridiculous suggestion.


Its funny that you demand one form of regulation and demand another is not enforced. Just like a true libertarian. Your for what your against, and against what your for.

We have required children to pay attention in class; its called Common Core. I seem to recall you were against that concept as well....regulating that children pay attention in class. Again, your against what your for and for what your against.

The problem with libertarians is there's just no way to please them....

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That both have been used to threaten and bully other students. Do you want the American flag being used as a metaphorical weapon to intimidate other students? Schools tend to walk a fine line here.


The things used to threaten and bully students is legion. How about no threatening or bullying. Although to be fair it would not not matter what all was disallowed, children are going to find a way to threaten and bully.


An that is why we have adults and even older students whom keep an eye on the ones that like to bully. And another one on the ones whom are bullied.

You would rather educators just throw up their hands and give up. We as a nation tried that for decades. Didn't work. Had alot of violence in schools as a result of it. From gang violence in city schools to Columbine. You know what is a great equalizer to bullies? ....FIREARMS.... Kids are known for not thinking things through before, during and after tragedies. Would you rather deal with bullies and protect the bullied? Or attend many funerals for lives cut short?

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Congress could not make it a law. Would run afoul with 1st amendment problems. Its been tried in several places and the courts have struck down the practice. Each law can have one or more exceptions to the rules. So creating a law that handles this process and survives court actions is highly unlikely to be easily written. The problem there is the law has to be 'just right'; neither broad nor narrow.

Bull. The courts have upheld the right to wear the flag, walk on the flag, set it on fire.


And there exist these things called 'exceptions' to the rules. In this particular case the flag can not be used in such a way as to incite violence or a riot. It was explained in the judge's ruling on the concept at the time. So yes, you can set the flag on fire. But not drape the flag with other American flags over someone you dislike's house and set them on fire (thus setting the house on fire).

One would think common sense would kick in. But that is why we have the Darwin Awards.

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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Most class rooms have flags in them as well as the sports fields.


Most class rooms have windows to the outside world. Yet, I've been in plenty of schools that have class rooms that didn't have one or the other or both. Have you gone into every single class room in America and confirmed that viewpoint? I doubt it.

Many inner city schools do not have sports fields. Many poor school systems can not handle a budget to maintain an effective sports field. You make many assumptions without many facts to back either viewpoint up.
Lots of businesses fly flags.

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At some point all you special snowflakes need to stop insisting that other people fall in line with your delicate sensibilities.


Funny, I would say the same about you....


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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:36:50 PM   
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We have required children to pay attention in class; its called Common Core. I seem to recall you were against that concept as well....regulating that children pay attention in class. Again, your against what your for and for what your against.

Come on Joether use that much praised (by you) brain. As far back as the one room school house kids were required to pay attention, they didn't need a federal program.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:41:03 PM   
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And common core is not one. It is a state program with lots of 'republicans' behind it.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 1:58:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Don't most classrooms still have American flags in them already? How could a t-shirt with one be disruptive? (Not including any text added, only a flag. Ok, maybe an eagle.)


Not all classrooms have American flags in them. The more affluent the neighborhood to which the school is located in; the more likely an American flag will be in a class room. Unfortunately it comes down to budget items. Schools in poor neighborhoods would like many things; unfortunately their resources are quite limited.

Its a curious thing with artwork to a t-shirt. Back when I was in school, a t-shirt showing the demons from Warhammer (i.e. the Chaos Armies) had images of demons and armored 'knights' (called Chaos Lords in the game system). Had a teacher that was offended by it. I knew of one person that wore a t-shirt with snakes on it because one of the students they were bullying had a fear of them. I'm sure if want to know more, take a visit to your local school system and either ask the principals or 'school psychologists' what impacts imagery on shirts can have towards staff and student alike. Even one with an American flag upon it.

How could a flag be disruptive? Consider the Nazi War Flag towards Jewish students in the 1950's whom are recent immigrants from Europe. Would that not be disruptive? Or the Confederate flag to black students in the South? Or the American flag towards Native Americans?



What BS. Baltamore had over $15,000 per Pupil. School funding everywhere has escalated way beyond inflation. If there's a problem, it's not money, it's regulation coming from the Department of Education.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 2:06:42 PM   
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We have required children to pay attention in class; its called Common Core. I seem to recall you were against that concept as well....regulating that children pay attention in class. Again, your against what your for and for what your against.

Come on Joether use that much praised (by you) brain. As far back as the one room school house kids were required to pay attention, they didn't need a federal program.


Actually children were required to pay attention even during the start of humanity. When the adults would teach the young how to hunt, make crude blankets, understand which berries were safe and which weren't. Far before the concept of the Pyramids were designed let alone constructed. They didn't even know of the 'tribe' as a government type.

The federal program was created for many reasons. That you never read the laws does not surprise me in the least. That your told what to think and say without realizing your manipulated, doesn't surprise me either!

I was never for Common Core. I knew some states in our country fail their children on purpose for political reasons. Its sad, its evil, its immoral, and unethical. But its the modern Republican way! I would think you would be all in favor of Common Core.

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RE: Flag Etiquette - 5/18/2015 2:08:22 PM   
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Common Core is not a federal program. Period. Done. End of convo on that one.

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