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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The most likely reason for their reticence is that they disliked the result of the Irish vote, which lends itself to suggestions of homophobia. One can see this pattern repeated in threads on hate crime or other threads that are race-related.

What I see repeated is this notion of sharing the approved view as a measure of mental fitness, and failure to do so as diagnostic.

K.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Your recollections of anything are suspect. However, I don't recall you demonizing walker for the selfie comment, I dont recall you demonizing W for Iraq, I dont recall you demonizing the shitbreathers who thought that rape was a beautiful thing, I dont recall you demonizing republicans for stripping out money for vets, I dont recall you demonizing a great deal of shitbreathing.

All you have to do to prove that my recollections are suspect in this instance is bring forward proof that there's a thread in P AND R, discussing politics, where you haven't used one of those terms or something similar to describe anyone not on the left.

As for Walker...if you're talking about the selfie where he's in the White House measuring for blinds, presumptuous on his part. If you're talking about comparing teachers unions to terrorists...simply by stating that if he could take on 100,000 of them, he could take on radical Islam...it was an idiotic comment. Still not the same as wishing for the DEATH of someone's children in a horrible manner.

Why would I demonize Bush? I don't happen to agree with you.

If there's been a thread where someone was glorifying rape and I agreed with them, bring it forth. Don't think you can find one though...because I've stated on here before what I think of rape. Cowardly and a capital crime.

As for Republicans stripping veterans, don't forget that dems have done their share. They're both wrong.

I don't mind calling an idiot an idiot...right or left. Big difference between you and me.

Demonizing Palin for putting crosshairs on Americam citizens? Gabby Gifford?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Latest Poll results from Quinnipiac
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=

Five Leaders In 2016 Republican White House Race, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Rubio, Paul Are Only Republicans Even Close To Clinton

There are five leaders - or no leaders - as Republican voters look at likely GOP candidates in the 2016 White House race, with no candidate above 10 percent and 20 percent undecided, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

Leading the pack with 10 percent each are former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Rounding out the top 10 for televised debates are U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky at 7 percent, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas at 6 percent, Donald Trump at 5 percent, New Jersey Gov. Christopher Christie at 4 percent and Carly Fiorina and Ohio Gov. John Kasich at 2 percent each.

Trump tops the "no way" list as 21 percent of Republican voters say they would definitely not support him. Bush is next with 17 percent, with Christie at 15 percent.

for more on the poll methodology, follow the linky

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, so you have been shown to be the whiney little bitch that you are, the butthurt is strong with you.

So, once again, as always, you are wrong.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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i think that's one of the differences between left and right that we've pointed out before.

too often people who act contrary to, or advocate a position against the left, are "wicked."

its not just a matter of disagreement on principals for leftists, its that you disagree because you are evil (racist, sexist, homophobe, greedy, islamaphobe, zenophobe, whatever, etc).

its morally despicable, intellectually effete and the word vile comes to mind to describe it.

If the cap fits wear it.

One need look no further than these threads to see that almost all the racism, homophobia and other socially-induced hatreds/neuroses are the property of the far right. This is not to say that all right wingers are racists or homophobes - many to their credit are not.

However, for example look at the thread on the Irish referendum on marriage equality and one sees a paucity of positive reactions to the Irish vote from our resident far/looney right wingers. As far as I can recall, not one of them had anything positive to say about the result, they all managed to find something negative to say or whine plaintively about the result. The most likely reason for their reticence is that they disliked the result of the Irish vote, which lends itself to suggestions of homophobia. One can see this pattern repeated in threads on hate crime or other threads that are race-related.

One good way to stop these accusations being levelled at right wingers would be for other right wingers to call out other the racists and homophobes in their ranks when appropriate but this doesn't seem to happen often at the moment.

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i think that's one of the differences between left and right that we've pointed out before.

too often people who act contrary to, or advocate a position against the left, are "wicked."

Your side's super into the personal attacks as well so you can get off your high horse there.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
its not just a matter of disagreement on principals for leftists, its that you disagree because you are evil (racist, sexist, homophobe, greedy, islamaphobe, zenophobe, whatever, etc).

its morally despicable, intellectually effete and the word vile comes to mind to describe it.

Do you consider racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. evil?

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Yeah, so you have been shown to be the whiney little bitch that you are, the butthurt is strong with you.

So, once again, as always, you are wrong.

Butthurt is your forte, so offended by everyone not on your side that all you're left with is insults. You come on, call someone a liar but won't provide proof of the lies other than an article written by someone who works for someone who is a paranoid, lying whore and expect that to be good enough.

Makes me wonder why, when deflection is so much a part of your game, you call others on it so much.

As for being wrong about Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, etc., you've yet to prove it.

As for my being wrong about you "calling out" someone on the left, if the one instance of you calling Barry "Bush-lite" makes me wrong, so be it.

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Couple of thoughts.
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


Couple of thoughts.
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The putrid worthless ravings of a person who proved himself to be a loud mouthed ignorant pretentious fraud* deserve no response except contempt .

* http://www.collarchat.com/m_4809821/mpage_3/tm.htm from post#54 onwards

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i think that's one of the differences between left and right that we've pointed out before.

too often people who act contrary to, or advocate a position against the left, are "wicked."

its not just a matter of disagreement on principals for leftists, its that you disagree because you are evil (racist, sexist, homophobe, greedy, islamaphobe, zenophobe, whatever, etc).

its morally despicable, intellectually effete and the word vile comes to mind to describe it.

If the cap fits wear it.

One need look no further than these threads to see that almost all the racism, homophobia and other socially-induced hatreds/neuroses are the property of the far right. This is not to say that all right wingers are racists or homophobes - many to their credit are not.

However, for example look at the thread on the Irish referendum on marriage equality and one sees a paucity of positive reactions to the Irish vote from our resident far/looney right wingers. As far as I can recall, not one of them had anything positive to say about the result, they all managed to find something negative to say or whine plaintively about the result. The most likely reason for their reticence is that they disliked the result of the Irish vote, which lends itself to suggestions of homophobia. One can see this pattern repeated in threads on hate crime or other threads that are race-related.

One good way to stop these accusations being levelled at right wingers would be for other right wingers to call out other the racists and homophobes in their ranks when appropriate but this doesn't seem to happen often at the moment.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's fascinating---

and im not altogether in disagreement with the premise behind your statement---democrats would rather vote for someone who is incompetent and untrustworthy because she is a democrat as opposed to any number of republicans who have been successful (competent) as governors, senators, or in their private careers, and have done nothing to undermine the public trust, because they are republicans.

in short its, "i'll take the incompetent and dishonorable person because I like her politics over the competent and honorable person because I don't like his." I cant imagine myself voting for a democrat no matter how bad the republican candidate would be.

its a rock and a hard place which I imagine, can only be solved by someone else winning the democratic nomination.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's fascinating---

and im not altogether in disagreement with the premise behind your statement---democrats would rather vote for someone who is incompetent and untrustworthy because she is a democrat as opposed to any number of republicans who have been successful (competent) as governors, senators, or in their private careers, and have done nothing to undermine the public trust, because they are republicans.

in short its, "i'll take the incompetent and dishonorable person because I like her politics over the competent and honorable person because I don't like his." I cant imagine myself voting for a democrat no matter how bad the republican candidate would be.

its a rock and a hard place which I imagine, can only be solved by someone else winning the democratic nomination.

I have no idea what Democrats would or would not do. Nor do I care.

As for the Republican slate. Not one of them has been successful in governance in any way. How could they? They simply don't understand the issues. Foreign Policy? --- Not even close The Economy? "Tax cuts create jobs!" Healthcare? -- "Free Market!!!", Iran ---- No deal!"

Lots of slogans. A playskool understanding of the issues,

I will say, Rand Paul is right on the middle east. IF it could be done. (Many dominoes could fall in the wrong direction) "Arm the Kurds, and give them a homeland." -- Especially since the Turks have signed off on the idea.


OK... Rand Paul on ONE foreign policy issue. The rest? My Pre-Teen daughter has a much better grasp of the issues.

Republicans? Competent? --- Not even close. Honorable? --- Not a one.


(And I would vote Republican in a heartbeat if it became the party of problem solving.)


As for your last statement (rock and a hard place), I agree 100%. Please SOMEONE else win the Democratic nomination. No hope for Republicans, unless a younger Ron Paul joins the race (someone with more sense than Rand)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i think this is the most recent poll information from Quinnipiac.

though all the republicans trail Hillary Clinton, the good news is the trend. from right to left (older polls to newer polls) Clinton's numbers either stay the same or go down, while all the republicans pretty much stay the same or go up.

the next poll should be interesting also---I believe the results from this one came from polling in march, before the most recent charges of the play to pay/quid pro quo stuff between the Hillary as secretary of state and the Clinton foundation came out.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i think this is the most recent poll information from Quinnipiac.

though all the republicans trail Hillary Clinton, the good news is the trend. from right to left (older polls to newer polls) Clinton's numbers either stay the same or go down, while all the republicans pretty much stay the same or go up.

the next poll should be interesting also---I believe the results from this one came from polling in march, before the most recent charges of the play to pay/quid pro quo stuff between the Hillary as secretary of state and the Clinton foundation came out.

I really dont think you are seeing what you think you are seeing....
or that the latest quinniapac shows what you think it shows,

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I really hope that if I ever post such a truly ignorant post someone calls me an idiot.