joether
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Holy Shit, the first rational response....
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Hmmmm...when 3rd Brigade, 82nd Airborne, jumped into Missoula, Montana in 1977, we jumped into an area that was a mix of ranchers and blue collar timbermen and college students, conservatives and liberals. Not surprisingly...given the times...we weren't welcomed all that warmly by the college population, despite most of us being closer to their age and shared interests. No, where we found our warmer welcome was amongst the "older" folks...Those over 30, 35.
Dont be quick to lump me in with other liberals. I love my military. Those guys are both playful in airsoft and paintball; but when they put their game face on, its professional and deadly. I myself almost joined the military. Unfortunately I was to tall....
When I played Planetside 2 in the first few months of the game's release and leading platoons. I had a number of current and former military ask if I was in the military. When I stated I was just a 'civie', they were rather surprised by it. I had squad tactical knowledge and did many unorthodox maneuvers to out flank the enemy. Combined with my 'passive aggressive' nature, they said I should have been an officer. What I do in the game, and what the actual soldiers do in real life, are two very different things. I've been in one or two gang level moments of violence, but NOTHING, like some of the stuff of friends and associates who saw actual action in Iraq and Afghanistan. I give those people a serious amount of respect!
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Believe it or not, Joether...your side did not always feel very warmly towards the military. And, given the animosity shown on many college campuses towards anything that smacks of a military presence...in the form of R.O.T.C. or many recruiters...I'd say that still holds true, at least among the young. And I'd be willing to bet fairly good money that the majority of those parents displaying those "my son/daughter is in the Army/Navy/Marines/Air Force" are conservative.
Its an odd thing with college campuses and the US Military. Some of it today is the fading bad blood from the Vietnam War. Some of it how college educated people look down on the US Military. While in college, a bunch of us 'gamers' gave a friendly challenge to the USAF ROTC guys in a 'air battle game'. We cleaned the skies of them! At the end of it, the winners bought the losers beer at the pub and we all chatted about the various moments. Good laughs and such. Very intelligent guys. No doubt they have done well in life.
As for stickers on a car? Its hard to say. I've seen the gambit of political views. Once I saw a "Proud Parent of a US Marine" sticker next to a peace symbol. Its a stereotype that all liberals hate the military and all conservatives are stupid. You will find the opposite and even 'in between' folks. I think we have seen not just on this issue but other issues that our perception of truth and the actual truth have been two different things.
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
So why would conservatives in Texas...if they do...have a distrust of the President's military? Hmmmm...could it be his comments about certain segments of the population clinging to their Guns and Bibles? Could it be the clashes between their state and the Feds over issues such as border control? Could it be the President declaring what happened at Fort Hood a "workplace tragedy" rather than the terrorist act it was?
First off, its not the President's military. Its the United States of America's military. The President's army, if you were to call it that, is called the Secret Service. Their job is not to be the private army of the guy in the Oval Office. I think the distrust among the population of Texas has more to do with the man's skin color, rather than his policies, viewpoints, or even token moments of speech taken out of context.
The issue with the Fed and their state handling border security is the by product of the two parties not agreeing on a decent compromise on immigration. That the issue is used like Abortion; something to bitch about to gain votes but accomplish nothing on it. The ACA for example could use improvements. All the conservatives have to do is offer those improvements but get better border security and immigration reforms.
What happened at Fort Hood was awful. The President does have a freedom to speak his mind just like anyone else. Do you see me saying Gov. Abbott and Sen. Ted Cruz should be disallowed to talk? Of course not! If we declare what happened at Fort Hood an act of terrorism, we'd have to state the same of many more moments in which conservatives behaved beyond 'a tragedy'. How exactly would that heal the ever growing metaphorical rift between the political views in this nation?
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