BamaD
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Joether tried to imply that conservatives were suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. You took it a step further and claimed you were fearful because they are armed to the teeth and have severe mental problems. Sorry sweetcheeks but you are the only one sounding paranoid around here and if you can't see the bigotry in your words than there is really no point in trying to explain it to you. Now you can pretend you meant something else but I doubt anyone is going to buy it. Your past history speaks for itself.
An here is an example of 'assuming things without evidence'. Your know for it.
I didnt claim all conservatives were suffering from it. Just the ones that seem to have problems with reality; hence, the characterizations. Just because you can follow and read all the words, does not mean you understand the underlying meaning of those words. Most people can read the ingredients section of a Pepsi Can; how many can fully explain what they are, do, and handle within the human body?
Bigotry? Yes, I hate people whom go out of their way to dumb themselves down and than bitch about reality being to complicated for them to understand. Ya got me there...
Its safe to say that conservatives have plenty more hate towards other people, concepts, and events.
A person suffering from anything deeper than 'a mild form' of paranoid schizophrenia whom is not under a doctor's care (or other medical health professional) with easy access to firearms....*IS*....dangerous. I notice that you have not been around such to find out how 'fun' these individuals can be. If you had, you would be agreeing with me.
One moment they are fine, the next they want to kill the man sitting across the hall from you both because he is spying on you and him (in reality there is no one sitting on that chair across the hall from you). But then, your paranoid schizophrenic states he can see him, because the government once installed a chip to see invisible people. That person, is invisible. Even if you got up, cross the hall and placed your hand not only where a person's body my rest on the seat, but the seat itself; your paranoid schizophrenic friend has an answer for THAT too! "His body can phase in and out of reality; and doing it just now".
You want a person like this, supporting your political viewpoints?
It is no more safe to say that conservatives are bigots than to say that liberals are anti American. Some are in both cases but that does not mean you can paint all with that brush. Unless you are more than a little paranoid yourself.
You still have a tendency to define a disconnect with reality as disagreeing with you.
I've learned that if you take reality to seriously; it burns you. I dont consider you, to be like some of the more 'screw-ballish' types from Bastop, TX. Your conservative, yes. But your sane. You understand there are realistic and just questions to ask a uniformed officer of the military. And there are questions that sounds like you listen to infowars for your sole understanding of the world around you. Its one thing to ask an acronym to be defined and explained (military loves them). Its another to ask if the special forces will be learning riot control. When was the last time you saw active duty special forces on riot control?
There is a distrust for government. I can understand that. But when the officer explains the nature of operations for training, and people arrive at the idea that their bibles and guns are going to be confiscated. There is the disconnection with reality. The guy never said anything of the concept. Nor that they would operate outside the areas already designated. The soldiers might walk into town after a day of training looking for a supper at a nice restaurant. But they are not kicking in the door, tossing frags/flashbangs, then storm in guns a-blazing. The first sentence is 'reality' the second is their version of 'reality'. It sounds completely silly to you and me. But for them, they are seriously fearful of this fantasy that will never happen.
Reality disagrees with me the most on my selection of Powerball numbers. I should have won at least seventeens times by now.....
The last time Federal troops were used for "riot control" that I know of was under Hoover (the bonus army). Meads' troops marched straight from Gettysburg to NYC to put down the riots there. While the use of troops to put down riots is rare (not to mention illegal) it has happened. You have to remember that a town meeting will bring out the fringe people. One there would have people who wanted the elimination of the military for example.
On the whole however there is not the radical reaction to Jade helm 15 that you have been led to believe. You want to keep an eye on government saying what people can spend ebt on and you consider government saying they won't force people to violate their religious beliefs to be tyrannical. So you should be more understanding of people who are concerned about government overreach in other areas.
We aren't talking about what REGULAR soldiers might have done. We are taking about the ELITES of the US Military. Last I checked, the process of becoming a NAVY SEAL is so tough 5/8th wash out before the end. There's more to the military than firing a rifle really well. I asked a very specific question BamaD. You know I asked a specific question. Because you danced around it.
Infowars piece on the Bastop, TX town meeting featured clips of 'soldiers' in riot guard, shotguns, assault rifles, and riot shields conducting an exercise using lethal force on a 'crowd' in front of them. And then say this 'training' is for the ELITE special forces to use on the folks in Texan when those same forces 'take over' the state in a few months. Its all bullshit, and everyone BUT those viewing it and taking it seriously, know its bullshit.
The question was: When was the last time you say special forces conducting riot control on US Citizens? The answer is 'NEVER'. So why would they start now?
Those people believe all sorts of bullshit not based on reality. That there is some sky deity that will send them to a wonderful place when they die. That scientists are wrong on everything; but happy to use all the stuff those scientists have discovered. They hate paying taxes, but bitch high hell when a bridge collapses. They want the Federal Government to do something useful about the illegal immigrants 'flooding' into the nation; but vote Republican and Tea Party (whom do nothing). An this is just the tip of the iceberg!
They don't trust government. Yet don't realize that...THEY....are part of that government. So they should not trust themselves with anything; if we are using logic here....
What they want is a dictatorship that lords over the rest of America. Forcing their views and beliefs down everyone else's throats. They dont like it being done to them, so they're going to do to everyone else. Because nothing says 'Hypocrisy' like 'Doing onto others as you have done to you', right?
Yes, Luke 6:31, something those pseudo-cherry-picking-'Christians' wouldn't acknowledge existing in the Bible. All those people in Washington, D.C. *ARE* US Citizens just like the folks in Texas.
Most of your characterization of conservatives and Christians is bogus and I will not waste space refuting it. Suffice it to say that the people you fear are most likely the ones you have the least reason to fear.
As for the other question, you didn't ask when special forces were used against civilians you asked when the military had, and I answered that directly. There was no dancing. I also pointed out that it was against the law now just as it was with the previous occasions. With a president who has even exceeded his proclamations on the limits of Presidential power anyone who trusts him explicitly would be foolish.
You make it clear that your fears are fine but other peoples are not.
I don't see the threat from the right that you do. And I don't think that the special forces are going to try to take over Texas.
The problem was made worse by the vagueness of the mission statement. Not inherently sinister but vague enough to allow imaginations to run wild.
As illusion you seem to be suffering from is that I support the takeover theory, no surprise.
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