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HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (5/26/2015 6:08:16 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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ORIGINAL: joether
I recall there was a nation one time that would be the first to do something, because it was the right thing to do. Then the United States of America got conservatives and libertarians who fucked everything up. And keep everything as fucked up as possible, so nothing useful can get done. Of the nation's states, only fourteen remain 'hard core' anti-gay marriage; including that 'free' state known as Texas. So here in the 'States, we can fairly and rightly blame our nation not getting the title 'first nation to all gay marriage' on conservatives and libertarians (you know, the people constantly bitching about freedoms....).
However....
Congrats to Ireland, may you enjoy many good and happy moments in your future!
So, joether... If "liberals" came first... And those evil, hated conservatives are such a recent development...
Why didnt we have all of these wedge issues settled back in the 1700s. And why werent we a Marxists dictatorship from the very beginning.
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Just curious
Back in the late 18th century the 'modern day conservative' would have been a Tory. Someone that wants to keep the King's government in place. The idea of freedoms from the monarchy and Christianity was just to much for some of them to handle.
Again, this nation suffered 'modern day conservative' as the righ and influential Southerns as the American Civil War broke out. Upset that you can not treat slaves like objects; beating, raping, and murdering them as you pleased.
Just before WW2 broke out in America, many 'modern day conservatives' were called 'Isolationists'. They wanted to keep America out of the conflicts in Europe and the Pacific. Only the Japaneses didn't think that was 'right'.
In Vietnam, 'modern day conservatives' wanted to keep the war going, because the evil communism was on the march through Southeast Asia.
Both Iraq conflicts involved the fear of something evil and horrible attacking the nation. That if we fought them 'over there' we would be 'OK'. The 'modern day conservative' would not listen to reason or wisdom; "Blood for the Blood God!".
To "...settle wedge issues..." as you call them would be to do something very un-liberty-like. That would be changing people's viewpoints and though processes to adhere to an ideology. Right now the media on the right are doing an amazing good and impressive job of converting conservatives and libertarians to a thought process. One that involves dumbing down their minds, accepting things without question, and following without distraction from anyone else. Makes for an obedient, loyal, mindless, servant. One that will not disrupt their Master's wishes or corporate profits; since some of it will 'Trickle Down', right?
You view communism and all other forms of government as corrupted and broken; while giving your 'view' on America's actual government form and capitalism high praise. Yes, those have been not just conditioned into your mind, but hardwired as a belief. You can not handle someone stating that every form of government can be corrupted. That every economic thought process has many flaws, or the nature of those flaws is equally mighty. Nor can you handle the notion that at current, there are many forms of government at work within the nation right now (big and small)? That there are each of many different types of economic processes operating right now?
Nope.
Likewise, its amusing to watch the Christians try to push Capitalism like a drug onto the masses. The fatal flaw of capitalism is greed. So the pseudo-Christians have convince themselves that allying with the Devil will draw more to Christianity then away. Except the Devil corrupts and distorts everything. Those individuals whom once would have understood the meeting of Luke 6:31, now do quite the opposite. They have elevated a vile creature like Mike Huckabee, whom forgives someone that molested underage girls (because the guy is a 'christian'); but still vilifies Bill Clinton because he got some head....
We hear often that conservatives demand their rights. How about we place them and you into a classroom. Place a couple of sheets of paper and some pencils with you. Tell you to list off all the important parts of each of the first ten amendments (which is generous seeing as there are twenty-seven in total). And see how many you and they, get right. I predict most would not get the 2nd and 10th correct, let alone the 5th, 6th, or 8th. You have been told and conditioned what to think as 'important', rather than understanding the full concept as a free, rational, thinking individual. Why do you think I school you and others on here with the ACA on a routine basis? You were told what to think and regurgitate, I read the fucking law until I understood it enough to teach it!
If you reply, please, 'up' your game.....
Joe, I've pretty much come to ignore you for...well...for lots of reasons. Bloviating being one. But, I would like to point out that after the U.S. left Southeast Asia the governments left there began killing millions of their own people. They were evil and still are. You can argue whether or not it's our responsibilty. I know Clinton bombed much of the Balkans back to the Stone Age because the left felt the U.S. should be moral police and President Clinton wanted to prove to the Muslim world that we really cared and that we were willing to destroy a Christian people to prove it. So I know the left likes their little wars and being moral police. So I take it that the left didn't find killing millions of their own people the proper bad morals since it was done in the name of communism.
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