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HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 3:31:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: tj444

lol You think yours is.. the fact that people like you fight progress so hard is what holds your country back and is causing it to go down the tube.. but why the fuck should i care? its not my country... I am sure we are both glad about that..


The value of "progress" toward socialist / communist enslavement is in the eye of the ideologue

These wedge issues are simply another means for the Grubers, the Soros' and the Alinskys to keep your eyes off the ball while they rob your children and grandchildren of the things you should be holding dear, and would be, were it not for all of the "progressive" brainwash



Is jester buzzing around here? I have him blocked but I get a sense he's off his meds again.




Sanity -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 4:27:22 PM)


I think most every thinking person on here has him blocked

Toying with him gets boring fast

He only knows a couple of dozen words and phrases total

Least, it seems that way




LipstickLeuger -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 5:03:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

I look forward to the day I can legally marry my wife/life partner and not be looked down on, be treated as a family unit, and not have to worry about if she will get my benefits when I die including, but not limited to, Social Security and Widows benefits to help her through it. In America, we are still debating things that other countries have already worked through because they are hundreds of years older than us, and have gone through the growth we have yet to go through. I am amazed at how many here are supportive of the LGBT population/gay marriage and really appreciate it, because I have been on other sites that are not supportive at all. [:)]

What does the age of the country got to do with it? Canada worked that out in 2005 as the first country outside of Europe and the 4th in the world to legalize same sex marriage (& the govt benefits).. even two gay people living together (for the required time) in Canada have the same rights as married couples do.. Canada wasnt a country until 1867.. so Canada is almost 100 years younger than the US.. dont blame the problem on the age of your country, blame it on the arseholes you elect to govt & the lobbyists.. and fellow Americans that vote for keeping you that way.. For a country that is supposedly the leader of the free world, its just not.. its not only same sex marriage, its abortion laws and labour laws, etc etc.. this country is behind on so many issues... in some cases this country is actually going backwards.. Pretty sad really..


We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.




Sanity -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 5:11:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.


Total nonsense

The laws in the USA compare to those throughout Europe, and are much more favorable toward gays than in many countries that are much older, some of which have the death penalty or imprisonment in effect




LipstickLeuger -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 5:47:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.


Total nonsense

The laws in the USA compare to those throughout Europe, and are much more favorable toward gays than in many countries that are much older, some of which have the death penalty or imprisonment in effect


You are more than welcome to your opinion.

I know many gay couples from various countries and speak to them frequently via various sites. Although you are focusing on Iran/Iraq and Africa, a majority of European and British run countries have much more inclusive and gay friendly laws.(often called Partner laws or something along this line) I would not expect you to know this, as most people, unless they are gay right advocates, or gay themselves(like myself) would have no working knowledge of this or even think to look into it. Just like many Americans have no idea that you can be fired for simply being gay, if they find out, from many companies all across the USA, unless a LGBT inclusive policy is specifically in place. Further more, there is no legal recourse currently in place. I believe at last count there were 40 some states that still allow this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

this does probably need to be updated.




HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/1/2015 6:42:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.


Total nonsense

The laws in the USA compare to those throughout Europe, and are much more favorable toward gays than in many countries that are much older, some of which have the death penalty or imprisonment in effect


You are more than welcome to your opinion.

I know many gay couples from various countries and speak to them frequently via various sites. Although you are focusing on Iran/Iraq and Africa, a majority of European and British run countries have much more inclusive and gay friendly laws.(often called Partner laws or something along this line) I would not expect you to know this, as most people, unless they are gay right advocates, or gay themselves(like myself) would have no working knowledge of this or even think to look into it. Just like many Americans have no idea that you can be fired for simply being gay, if they find out, from many companies all across the USA, unless a LGBT inclusive policy is specifically in place. Further more, there is no legal recourse currently in place. I believe at last count there were 40 some states that still allow this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

this does probably need to be updated.



I always question why we let the government get powerful enough to tell you who you can leave your money to or who you may partner with. It's one of the reasons I can never understand liberals who want a bigger government protecting and guiding them.




mnottertail -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 7:26:48 AM)

Or the reason that so many rightists are still in the closet, and in the government wanting it so much smaller and freer.




tj444 -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 1:27:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

I look forward to the day I can legally marry my wife/life partner and not be looked down on, be treated as a family unit, and not have to worry about if she will get my benefits when I die including, but not limited to, Social Security and Widows benefits to help her through it. In America, we are still debating things that other countries have already worked through because they are hundreds of years older than us, and have gone through the growth we have yet to go through. I am amazed at how many here are supportive of the LGBT population/gay marriage and really appreciate it, because I have been on other sites that are not supportive at all. [:)]

What does the age of the country got to do with it? Canada worked that out in 2005 as the first country outside of Europe and the 4th in the world to legalize same sex marriage (& the govt benefits).. even two gay people living together (for the required time) in Canada have the same rights as married couples do.. Canada wasnt a country until 1867.. so Canada is almost 100 years younger than the US.. dont blame the problem on the age of your country, blame it on the arseholes you elect to govt & the lobbyists.. and fellow Americans that vote for keeping you that way.. For a country that is supposedly the leader of the free world, its just not.. its not only same sex marriage, its abortion laws and labour laws, etc etc.. this country is behind on so many issues... in some cases this country is actually going backwards.. Pretty sad really..


We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.

You could move to a country that treats gays as equals, get citizenship there and renounce your American citizenship..




tj444 -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 1:33:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: tj444

lol You think yours is.. the fact that people like you fight progress so hard is what holds your country back and is causing it to go down the tube.. but why the fuck should i care? its not my country... I am sure we are both glad about that..


The value of "progress" toward socialist / communist enslavement is in the eye of the ideologue

These wedge issues are simply another means for the Grubers, the Soros' and the Alinskys to keep your eyes off the ball while they rob your children and grandchildren of the things you should be holding dear, and would be, were it not for all of the "progressive" brainwash

with so many Americans living in poverty or homeless or on the verge of being homeless and the middle class dwindled to the point it is, I think the robbing has already been done..




Sanity -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 2:01:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444

with so many Americans living in poverty or homeless or on the verge of being homeless and the middle class dwindled to the point it is, I think the robbing has already been done..



I thought the "Yes we can" man was going to fix all of that, with his full control of the House and Senate

With his trillions in stimulus dollars for all of his pet causes

Guess we need to really double down on his brand of Marxist and Alinsky politics before we hope to see change we can believe in though

Aint it always the case though




HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 2:39:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: tj444

lol You think yours is.. the fact that people like you fight progress so hard is what holds your country back and is causing it to go down the tube.. but why the fuck should i care? its not my country... I am sure we are both glad about that..


The value of "progress" toward socialist / communist enslavement is in the eye of the ideologue

These wedge issues are simply another means for the Grubers, the Soros' and the Alinskys to keep your eyes off the ball while they rob your children and grandchildren of the things you should be holding dear, and would be, were it not for all of the "progressive" brainwash

with so many Americans living in poverty or homeless or on the verge of being homeless and the middle class dwindled to the point it is, I think the robbing has already been done..



Do you understand what poverty is in this country? It's not third world poverty. Its not Grapes of Wrath poverty. In this country, poverty is three meals a day, color TV with a DVR, air conditioning and a car. Gees, the left acts like this is Guatemala or Africa. We take care of people here. Poor people have free medical care, free school, and 132 channels on TV.

Most of the homeless people in this country are sick and need to be either in jail or in a mental health institution. But, leftists won't let state mental health institutions exist.




Politesub53 -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 3:49:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Do you understand what poverty is in this country? It's not third world poverty. Its not Grapes of Wrath poverty. In this country, poverty is three meals a day, color TV with a DVR, air conditioning and a car. Gees, the left acts like this is Guatemala or Africa. We take care of people here. Poor people have free medical care, free school, and 132 channels on TV.

Most of the homeless people in this country are sick and need to be either in jail or in a mental health institution. But, leftists won't let state mental health institutions exist.


Another day, another diatribe ?

The sad thing is I think you really believe in the bollocks you constantly spout ? It is probably due to you not getting enough "free education"

The notion all homeless people must be mentally ill, or criminals is as laughable as it is obnxious, even by your ever decreasing standards.






HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 3:58:15 PM)

Really, you've has some over to dinner,have you?




Politesub53 -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 4:02:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

Really, you've has some over to dinner,have you?


I dont recall mentioning dinner.......... Just the bullshit you constantly serve up.

If you dont know anyone who has been made homeless by circumstance, especially during the 2008 crash, then you really need to get out of smallville a tad more.




HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 4:07:45 PM)

http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/about-us/our-blog/69-no-state/2596-how-many-people-with-serious-mental-illness-are-homeless

http://www.bestmswprograms.com/mental-illness-homelessness-criminal-behavior/

Not surprisingly, mental illness often prolongs homelessness. Approximately 26 percent of homeless adults staying in shelters live with serious mental illness and an estimated 66 percent live with severe mental illness and/or substance use disorders.

You should really check your facts before you show your idiocity. (Is idiocity a real word). Now that we're past the "most" part just with the mentally ill and/or substance use addictions, shall I get the criminal statistics. Or can you do that by yourself as you're taking your head out of your proverbial appendage?




Politesub53 -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 4:13:42 PM)

Your own post just supports what I said........... many thanks. And no, I refuse to think for you, so you work it out for yourself.




LipstickLeuger -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 5:12:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.


Total nonsense

The laws in the USA compare to those throughout Europe, and are much more favorable toward gays than in many countries that are much older, some of which have the death penalty or imprisonment in effect


You are more than welcome to your opinion.

I know many gay couples from various countries and speak to them frequently via various sites. Although you are focusing on Iran/Iraq and Africa, a majority of European and British run countries have much more inclusive and gay friendly laws.(often called Partner laws or something along this line) I would not expect you to know this, as most people, unless they are gay right advocates, or gay themselves(like myself) would have no working knowledge of this or even think to look into it. Just like many Americans have no idea that you can be fired for simply being gay, if they find out, from many companies all across the USA, unless a LGBT inclusive policy is specifically in place. Further more, there is no legal recourse currently in place. I believe at last count there were 40 some states that still allow this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

this does probably need to be updated.



I always question why we let the government get powerful enough to tell you who you can leave your money to or who you may partner with. It's one of the reasons I can never understand liberals who want a bigger government protecting and guiding them.


I know. I have no answer to that. Sadly.




LipstickLeuger -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 5:20:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: tj444


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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

I look forward to the day I can legally marry my wife/life partner and not be looked down on, be treated as a family unit, and not have to worry about if she will get my benefits when I die including, but not limited to, Social Security and Widows benefits to help her through it. In America, we are still debating things that other countries have already worked through because they are hundreds of years older than us, and have gone through the growth we have yet to go through. I am amazed at how many here are supportive of the LGBT population/gay marriage and really appreciate it, because I have been on other sites that are not supportive at all. [:)]

What does the age of the country got to do with it? Canada worked that out in 2005 as the first country outside of Europe and the 4th in the world to legalize same sex marriage (& the govt benefits).. even two gay people living together (for the required time) in Canada have the same rights as married couples do.. Canada wasnt a country until 1867.. so Canada is almost 100 years younger than the US.. dont blame the problem on the age of your country, blame it on the arseholes you elect to govt & the lobbyists.. and fellow Americans that vote for keeping you that way.. For a country that is supposedly the leader of the free world, its just not.. its not only same sex marriage, its abortion laws and labour laws, etc etc.. this country is behind on so many issues... in some cases this country is actually going backwards.. Pretty sad really..


We all know this is a mulit pronged problem and I truly believe that the age of the country has something to do with it.

You could move to a country that treats gays as equals, get citizenship there and renounce your American citizenship..


Thank you for your concern/idea.

My partner and I have discussed this, actually. However, just because gay rights may be better in other places, it does not mean what I want is valued the same. Also, I do not believe in running from your countries issues, but attempting to make a change. I am a firm believer in the saying "Be the Change you wish to see in the world" by Ghandi. I really would like to be part of that change, and I fear that by people giving up and not attempting to make a change via education, responsible voting(like CA alluded to), and actual education of people who don't understand or are ignorant of things that need to be changed, that we are letting ourselves and the future generations down. Call me a dreamer, or an Optimist, but Lord knows we need to have some of us around![:D]




HunterCA -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 5:47:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Your own post just supports what I said........... many thanks. And no, I refuse to think for you, so you work it out for yourself.


Hey PS, you know who you remind me of? I just thought of it. Did you ever hear the song by Arlo Guthry called Alice's Restaurant? It was a lampoon of the U.S. draft system during the Vietnam war. It's a hilarious song. But that's not who you remind me of. In the song this guy litters and is sent before a judge and the judge sends him to Vietnam. Back in that time the U.S. didn't have a death penalty. Well people thought that. But it really did. Because the courts were sentencing people to Vietnam.

So the guy you remind me of is this guy I worked with on a survey crew for about a year. He had been sent to jail and the judge sentenced him and seventeen others to the Army. Of course when he got to the Army they, finding him a social misfit, taught him to walk point, with a dog. Of the eighteen guy's sentenced that day to the Army, he was the only one who came back alive. That's despite the fact that he stayed an extra six months to do the paper work to bring his dog back....oh and two sever wounds. All things considered, killing off 17 of 18 people in a couple of years was a pretty effective capital punishment. But, that's another thread.

Anyway, the dogs they used were usually trained to locate and kill Vietnamese people. So, usually the Army wouldn't let them come back. If the dog couldn't work with a new handler when a guy rotated out, they put the dog down. So he walked point for a year and a half with his dog, lived and brought his dog home. Oh, the dog was wounded three times as I recall. Anyway PS, I have a feeling you'd spend the extra six months walking point in order to bring your dog home. But, that's not all.

That son of a gun was either the most naturally charmed person or the most unlucky I ever saw. We could have an eight man grew walking through brush out in the middle of the desert on a trai, I saw this personally three times and heard about another two. No matter where he was in the column, as he walked by a rattle snake would strike at him and miss somehow. He could be the eight person through or the first person through and the damn rattle snake would strike for him. But, those darn snakes always missed. This guy walked through it all totally oblivious to things around him and suddenly a snake would strike...and miss.

That's how I see you. Walking point for all your ol lefty friends, snakes shrinking at you, missing, you totally oblivious except you'll do it for another six months to bring your dog home.

Hehe, I remember one day I was talking to this fellow. He told me over the weekend he'd gone to the Phoenix flea market. He took his dog. Suddenly his dog triggered and started pulling at the leash. The dog was big and this guy was small. (No comparison to you here, just a story). Anyway, the fellow figured out the dog smelled a Vietnamese person and was going to go kill him. Because of diet, the dog could tell the difference in smell. The fellow was having a hell of a time trying to control his dog. (Generally why the army didn't want the dogs to go home). So he sent one of his kids ahead to warn the Vietnamese person. That person, understanding what the dog was, left the flea market and everything settled down. It was funny as hell how this fellow told the story.




Lucylastic -> RE: Oscar Wilde's revenge: Ireland votes Yes to Marriage Equality (6/2/2015 5:49:10 PM)

Hey PS< when did you become a lefty darlin????




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