How much kink porn is there and why does so much of it even exist?

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

How much kink porn is there and why does so much of it even exist?

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> How much kink porn is there and why does so much of it even exist?

Page: [1] 2 3 4 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

How much kink porn is there and why does so much of it ... - 6/2/2015 8:55:02 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

Anyone know how much of the internet is kink porn? Why does this stuff exist in such huge amounts?

In my opinion, about 1/3 of porn is realistic since it's just people having sex of all different types, while 1/3 is highly unrealistic which is just a produced movie following a script - and I haven't seen the last 1/3 yet to characterize it yet.

Huffington post said in 2013 that porn is 1/3 the network traffic (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/internet-porn-stats_n_3187682.html) but it didn't say how much was kinky porn.

Gizmodo said in 2012 that each of the top porn sites (XVideos, LiveJasmin, YouPorn, Tube8, and Pornhub) were "on par" with Facebook and Google (http://gizmodo.com/5899327/how-much-porn-does-the-internet-hold) with an average 20 minutes per visit for 4.4 billion views per month on each site.

I couldn't find numbers for fetish porn, but, like prostitution, these things must exist in such stupendously huge amounts for a really really really really good and fundamental (to humans) reason.

It the reason simply that all people love to look at and watch sex, including kinky sex?

Post #: 1

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/2/2015 10:27:41 PM

WellShinedBoots

Posts: 16
Joined: 5/5/2015
Status: offline

Here's an article about Kink.com that might help some. It's a few years old (2007 actually) but it might give a bit of a feel for the numbers and the mindset behind the sites under Kink's ownership.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazine/29kink.t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

There is a difficulty with separating out kink/non-kink pornography since there isn't a firm line in between the two. At the very least they all have some level of exhibitionism involved or you wouldn't be able to watch. Of course, this blurred line exists in the kink community as well, with different people having opinions on where the vanilla to kink transition actually is.

There is a historical reason for the "movie script" pornography. I believe it was the Motion Picture Production Code (Hays Code), though it's been a while since I've studied this. Basically the films needed to have an artistic aspect beyond just explicit sex which was often provided by a rather thin plot (I guess whoever was checking for artistic content didn't consider sex by itself artistic).

I won't go as far as to say that all people enjoy watching sex, but there are enough who do that a well-run business can make money producing pornography, and enough to encourage even more to try to make money doing so. Plus of course there are also exhibitionists that just enjoy the idea that someone out there is getting off watching them get off.

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 2

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/3/2015 3:57:16 PM

preytolife

Posts: 138
Joined: 11/29/2010
From: LaLa Land
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumbler
In my opinion, about 1/3 of porn is realistic

Well, I hate to disappoint you but...

I agree, there's an inherent problem with separating kinky/non kink pornography because there's no clear delineating line. Not all people look at porn, but many of those that do are self trained to do so probably through reinforcement. Or because they believe pornpgraphy is realistic.

_____________________________

"No man is so good as to be free from all evil, nor so bad as to be worth nothing." - Norse Proverb

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 3

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/3/2015 4:14:02 PM

RockaRolla

Posts: 1153
Joined: 1/20/2014
From: South Florida
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumbler

Anyone know how much of the internet is kink porn? Why does this stuff exist in such huge amounts?

In my opinion, about 1/3 of porn is realistic since it's just people having sex of all different types, while 1/3 is highly unrealistic which is just a produced movie following a script - and I haven't seen the last 1/3 yet to characterize it yet.

Huffington post said in 2013 that porn is 1/3 the network traffic (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/03/internet-porn-stats_n_3187682.html) but it didn't say how much was kinky porn.

Gizmodo said in 2012 that each of the top porn sites (XVideos, LiveJasmin, YouPorn, Tube8, and Pornhub) were "on par" with Facebook and Google (http://gizmodo.com/5899327/how-much-porn-does-the-internet-hold) with an average 20 minutes per visit for 4.4 billion views per month on each site.

I couldn't find numbers for fetish porn, but, like prostitution, these things must exist in such stupendously huge amounts for a really really really really good and fundamental (to humans) reason.

It the reason simply that all people love to look at and watch sex, including kinky sex?

Wait, you've watched 2/3 of the internet's porn? How much time do you have on your hands? (Not to mention other substances!)

I imagine having separate statistics for kink/fetish porn would be tricky (and vary across studies) because the lines between vanilla and kinky aren't really set in stone. They'll become even more blurred as BDSM curiosity fades in and out of the mainstream.

For your last question, I would say the answer is YES. DUH.

_____________________________

~Roxie

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 4

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/3/2015 9:02:12 PM

sexyred1

Posts: 8998
Joined: 8/9/2007
Status: offline

Kinky is in the eye of the beholder.

To a man who never gets a blow job, that would be kinky porn.

Why would you need to know how much porn is out there?

Why does it even exist?

Did you just wander in here by accident?

(in reply to RockaRolla)

Post #: 5

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 3:27:42 AM

fetishandpain

Posts: 13
Joined: 2/15/2015
Status: offline

I think it all has to do with market. There are a lot of porn, in general, because there are a lot of "buyers".

And if there is a video of a plummer having sex with a girl, for most people would be vanilla but for some, if they have a fetish with plummers...

(in reply to sexyred1)

Post #: 6

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 4:13:12 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: WellShinedBoots

Here's an article about Kink.com that might help some. It's a few years old (2007 actually) but it might give a bit of a feel for the numbers and the mindset behind the sites under Kink's ownership.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/29/magazine/29kink.t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

That's an interesting article, in part because it is all about Kink.com making money off of porn, which I never understood, since I can find all the porn I want, kinky or otherwise, pictures or videos, long or short, for free from a variety of web sites that are mainstream such as the list below (near the end).

For examle, here is a snippet of free porn I've visited (I keep a log), some of which is hours long, all of which is freely available:
allbdsmporn.com
bdsmaz.com
bdsmbdsm.net
bdsmporno.tv
bdsmporntube.xxx
bdsmsecrets.net
bdsmslavemovie.com
bdsm-slave.net
bdsmstreak.com
bdsmtorturesex.com
bdsmtubemovies.net
bondage-club.net
bondagegirl.biz
bondagepaper.com
bondage-sex-pics.com
bondagewaytube.com
femdom-fetish-tube.com
femdomology.com
femdomslavetube.com
hellofbdsm.org
hotbdsmsex.com
longbdsmtube.com
mybdsmvideos.net
mybondagegirls.com
newbdsmtube.com
nudebondagetube.com
oldbdsm.com
slavelove.com
slaverytube.com
truthbondage.com
tubebdsm.com
womenbondagephotos.com
wowbdsm.com
(DISCLAIMER: You may need to be adept with ad & popup blockers, as I wouldn't know which ones pop up ads as I never see them since I have my machine set up to block all ads and popups and scripts, which is pretty normal nowadays if you know what you're doing on computers.)

(in reply to WellShinedBoots)

Post #: 7

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 5:37:33 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: preytolife
there's an inherent problem with separating kinky/non kink pornography because there's no clear delineating line.

Some people would consider anal sex kinky, while others would consider sodomy mainstream, I agree.
In fact, to some people, 50 Shades is kinky.

But, I think for the mainstream kink, we'd all agree that the common D/s themes would likely qualify as kinky by most standards.

quote:

ORIGINAL: preytolife
Not all people look at porn, but many of those that do are self trained to do so probably through reinforcement. Or because they believe pornpgraphy is realistic.

I think porn serves a purpose. In fact, it MUST serve a purpose. Otherwise, how does Kink.com (after reading the reference above) make so much money off of people who buy their stuff? And, why is kinky porn such a huge part of the Internet.

So, the question is WHAT PURPOSE does fetish porn serve?

For example, I don't think this half-hour maledom caning (EP) movie I just watched moments ago is even remotely realistic, but I certainly enjoyed watching it for some strange reason, wholly unrelated to realism. Likewise, this hour-and-a-half femdom movie isn't at all realistic, but it's still enjoyable to watch. Why is that?

Realism doesn't seem to be a criteria for enjoyment.

On the other hand, this hour-long maledom movie seems realistic enough in that it's nothing fancy - it's just a guy lightly whipping a bound gal, and it's enjoyable to watch just the same. There are millions of these types of "just whipping" movies out there, that someone must be enjoying.

Interestingly, because femdom is extremely different and often far more complex than your typical maledom scenario, it's hardest to find a realistic femdom movie (which should tell us something right there, off the bat), but even though it's next to impossible to find a realistic femdom movie, I know they exist, even though one person's definition of realism is different than anther's (especially since it's hard to portray a RELATIONSHIP in a porn movie).

Here, for example, is an hour-long femdom-pegging movie that appears to be somewhat realistic, and interesting to watch (at the risk of assuming that basic pegging is considered femdom as it isn't a service to the woman unless the pegging power is her thing).

Since femdom isn't about the male, I'm having trouble finding a good example of a male-servicing-female femdom fetish movie that's even close to realistic - but - I have seen them in the past - I just can't find one now. (Bummer.) Where are all the videos of loving guys doing dishes when you need them?

Actually, sans joking, I learned something in this search. It's really really really hard to find a realistic femdom film (that female dommes would consider realistic anyway), while it's really easy to find a maledom film that's realistic (not that realism is the key criterion).

(in reply to preytolife)

Post #: 8

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 5:41:28 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: RockaRolla
you've watched 2/3 of the internet's porn? How much time do you have on your hands? (Not to mention other substances!)

That was a joke.
I've probably seen a thousand fetish films in my entire life, and, I've never paid for a single one of them, just like most guys, I would assume. Yet, there are millions upon millions of fetish films out there though.

For so many free films to abound, they must serve a purpose.

(in reply to RockaRolla)

Post #: 9

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 5:43:04 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
Why would you need to know how much porn is out there?
Thy does it even exist?
Did you just wander in here by accident?

I think the answer is that it is fundamental to human existence.

(in reply to sexyred1)

Post #: 10

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 5:43:18 PM

littleladybug

Posts: 1082
Joined: 5/30/2013
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumbler

Actually, sans joking, I learned something in this search. It's really really really hard to find a realistic femdom film (that female dommes would consider realistic anyway), while it's really easy to find a maledom film that's realistic (not that realism is the key criterion).

What, in your opinion, makes the "maledom" vids realistic?

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 11

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 5:58:43 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: fetishandpain

I think it all has to do with market. There are a lot of porn, in general, because there are a lot of "buyers".

Being Aspergers, I could list free sites for watching hour-long fetish porn movies until you all drop dead of boredom.
So, that's what I don't get.

Why are there millions of these fetish movies out there?
What purpose do they serve?

Whatever purpose they serve, must mean that a need isn't being met otherwise.

Plus, nobody is buying them. They're all quite free. They don't even ASK you to buy them.

I guess the web sites are making money off the ads (I wouldn't know as I haven't seen an ad in quite some time, and if an ad pops up past all my filters, I squash it in a moment, once I look at the underlying scripts that popped it up in the first place).

quote:

ORIGINAL: fetishandpain
And if there is a video of a plummer having sex with a girl, for most people would be vanilla but for some, if they have a fetish with plummers...

I ran a search for sex with the plumber and found hundreds in seconds!
http://www.goldpornfilms.com/en/search/plumber/
http://www.youporn.com/search/?query=plumber
http://www.tonicmovies.com/en/search/?q=plumber&form=1
http://www.alphaporno.com/search/?q=plumber
http://www.fapvid.com/en/search/?q=plumber&f=1
http://xhamster.com/search.php?new=&q=plumber&qcat=video
http://www.tubeteasers.com/search/?q=plumber&form=1

There must be a few hundred different sex films right there, with the plumber.

So, again, "plumber sex" porn films must serve a fundamental purpose.
They must solve a need. That need must be unmet otherwise.
Otherwise, they wouldn't exist.

(in reply to fetishandpain)

Post #: 12

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:06:14 PM

camille65

Posts: 5746
Joined: 7/11/2007
From: Austin Texas
Status: offline

Variety and nuance.

Switch porn with music, there are millions of songs out there. Why so many? Why not be satisfied with just one or two?

Well because people like variety, not every song is identical and not every porn flick is identical either.

_____________________________

~Love your life! (It is the only one you'll get).

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 13

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:09:32 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: littleladybug
What, in your opinion, makes the "maledom" vids realistic?

I was afraid of that question, because women, in general, have a TOTALLY DIFFERENT opinion of what's realistic in porn than do men, I feel. Plus, I can't speak for any man other than for myself, and there is always some canny sycophant who says he's different than other guys in that he looks at women for their minds and never for their bodies.

With that as a disclaimer, to me, realistic porn is dimply defined as something that would actually happen in a real home.

To be more precise, realistic porn would be defined as something that statistically would be in the high 90th percentile for being something that would happen in real life.

I think the plumber porn is a good example of unrealistic porn. I didn't look at any of the hundreds that showed up in a ten-second search, but I would guess that, were I a plumber, the chances of that particular portrayal happening to me on a customer visit to be slim to none.

Realistic porn, to me, is simply two people doing their thing, with a camera in the room. There are tons of that kind of stuff out there, from guys fucking all three holes to women being kissed by women. For male dom, it could easily include guys binding women, guys getting blow jobs from bound women, guys slapping women's tits, guys spanking their buns, etc.

What it probably would NOT include is guys with five women sucking their dicks, or a guy with a herd of ponygirls (or any film whatsoever from the aforementioned Kink.com which I think is one of the worst film makers out there, but that's a humble opinion).

(in reply to littleladybug)

Post #: 14

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:12:11 PM

littleladybug

Posts: 1082
Joined: 5/30/2013
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumbler

Realistic porn, to me, is simply two people doing their thing, with a camera in the room. There are tons of that kind of stuff out there, from guys fucking all three holes to women being kissed by women. For male dom, it could easily include guys binding women, guys getting blow jobs from bound women, guys slapping women's tits, guys spanking their buns, etc.

So, what makes femdom porn unrealistic then?

(And, for the record, I've seen quite a bit of incredibly unrealistic male dom porn.)

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 15

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:14:20 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65
Switch porn with music, there are millions of songs out there. Why so many? Why not be satisfied with just one or two?

This is an interesting way of thinking about the fundamentals.

Wine. Women. Song.
Food. Sex. Music.

Maybe those are the three fundamentals that require infinite variety out of our human appetite.

Maybe THAT is the sole reason there are hundreds of films about sex with the plumber.

We humans have an innate need for variety in those three separate realms.
Maybe it's that simple.

(in reply to camille65)

Post #: 16

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:37:43 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: littleladybug
So, what makes femdom porn unrealistic then?
(And, for the record, I've seen quite a bit of incredibly unrealistic male dom porn.)

This is a complex subject, and I can't approach it in absolutes.

The entire answer has to be approached from the two extremely different points of views of most women and most men.
There really is very little in common with each of their approaches.

In general (and yes, I know the sycophants are waiting to pounce here) men aren't looking for relationship material when they watch porn. Men are visual. They want to see naked bodies. They want to see tits. They want to see pussy. Wide open pussy in fact. Open assholes, pink on the inside. Maybe even extruded rectums. Tits with needles in them maybe. Blood is good. Car jumper cables on the outer labia even. (Am I graphic enough for you yet?).

And all that is with the sound turned off, so the kids don't hear it while they're watching it in bed. :)

Most of that would be unrealistic porn - but enjoyable nonetheless (keeping in mind the definition of realistic is simply that you'd actually have a 90% or greater chance of that porn depiction happening to you in a typical male:female engagement). The definition of enjoyable is that it simply exists in droves.

Yet, there is plenty of realistic porn. There's an entire genre of porn of guys fucking ebony women, for example. That's it. They just fuck. The only search you need is "black white" (literally) to find thousands of these videos. There isn't any acting. It's just a guy fucking a black girl. That's realistic.

Likewise, there is an entire genre of white guys fucking Thai girls. Again, it's fucking, sucking, rimming, licking, kissing, binding, slapping, and so on. But, it's just a camera in a hotel room, and a paid Thai (usually young) woman fucking an ugly pale as a ghost white guy (just do a search for LBFMs for example.).

This is realistic stuff in that it's one guy fucking one girl. One girl blowing one guy. It's not Kink.com stuff where you're in a castle at a party with a dozen naked slave girls servicing all the guests or a gorgeous woman being led naked on a leash through the streets of Prague while onlookers cheer and snap cell phone pictures as she gives blowjobs to the film-maker's actors.

The Internet is filled to the brim with all this stuff, so, it absolutely must be filling an otherwise unmet need, whether the porn is realistic or not.

Now, let's move on to the tremendously more dicey subject of femdom porn realism.
Wow. Where do we start?
Women are so different than men, that their idea of realism is already starting in a different dimension.
This post is long (too long) so I will take that up next - but - I expect to be reamed by the ladies (and that's fair enough).

(in reply to littleladybug)

Post #: 17

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:44:28 PM

littleladybug

Posts: 1082
Joined: 5/30/2013
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tumbler

Now, let's move on to the tremendously more dicey subject of femdom porn realism.
Wow. Where do we start?
Women are so different than men, that their idea of realism is already starting in a different dimension.
This post is long (too long) so I will take that up next - but - I expect to be reamed by the ladies (and that's fair enough).

That's the part that I'm interested in hearing from you. You mentioned above that you feel that "femdom is extremely different and often far more complex than your typical maledom scenario", so I'm curious as to how you view the issue of the femdom porn that is out there.

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 18

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:52:24 PM

Tumbler

Posts: 45
Joined: 9/15/2014
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: littleladybug
So, what makes femdom porn unrealistic then?

There are so many ways to approach this answer, I can only pick one delicate path, fraught with unexploded mines you laid for me by asking that seemingly innocent simple question.

The simplest answer is the same one I gave for maledom porn - which is that it has a 90% or greater chance of actually happening to the viewer.

So, if the viewer is a 90-year old unemployed plumber, the chances of a dozen ladies asking him to service their visceral plumbing is slim to none, so, ANY porn like that would be unrealistic.

But, there is a totally different avenue we can take this approach, since we can take it from the FEMALE view.
What, to a FEMALE, constitutes realistic femdom porn?

That is a question we can never answer, not the least of why being that many psychological studies have shown that women are far more confused about what excites them than are men. (I told you this topic was fraught with land mines!).

Assuming the woman actually has a realistic handle on what excites her, it's likely to be big on EMOTION and RELATIONSHIP and FEELINGS and WARMTH and PROTECTION and other feel-good topics. It's not as likely to be big on graphics such as a hard cock, or sperm spouting out like a fountain or the red welts of love on his butt.

The female visual MIGHT be big on muscles though. Maybe big on fitness. Maybe if the porn film showed adequate devotion to the woman, that might qualify as realistic. However, most femdom films, from my quick survey looking for realism, were of the "do me" type, with the guy getting his balls massaged or squished or kicked or caned (whatever) - where I would think realistic femdom (from a woman's perspective) isn't all about the guys' cocks.

It's not about their pussy either though.

If a hundred random women were to separately stand in front of a hundred random guys and lift their skirts, I'd wager that there would be at least 90% or more of the guys who would LOOK (and maybe even STARE), once they got over the shock of their supreme good luck and had the nerve to ask for her phone number before she turned and abruptly terminated the experiment.

If you reverse that, and take the same random set of 200 people, and have the guy drop their pants in front of the women, I'd wager over 90% of the women would scream CREEP! and worse (and almost all would be dialing 911 before the pants hit the floor).

The woman's approach to life isn't at all how the men approach life.

A woman's idea of realistic femdom porn would likely more closely mirror mainstream movies (and not even R rated movies, for the most part), where everything is in the SUGGESTION. It's all in the FEELING. It's in the EMOTION. The DEVOTION. The LOVE. The AFFECTION.

So, for example, a fully clothed guy could play in a realistic femdom porn film quite easily - as long as he does dishes.

(in reply to littleladybug)

Post #: 19

RE: How much kink porn is there and why does so much of... - 6/4/2015 6:57:32 PM

WellShinedBoots

Posts: 16
Joined: 5/5/2015
Status: offline

Unfortunately piracy is a problem for porn companies. If the title screen or watermark does not match the website I'd be suspicious. I didn't look through the sites mentioned above to check but I wonder how many of the films were actually released for free distribution by their producers and how many were just taken. These films don't just appear out of the blue after all, someone had to make them. I've even had a beer with a few of those someones.

A short article on this: Porn Piracy - Wired 2010

(in reply to Tumbler)

Post #: 20

Page: [1] 2 3 4 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> How much kink porn is there and why does so much of it even exist?

Page: [1] 2 3 4 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.109