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ORIGINAL: crazyml

The "climate change as socialist plot" is surely the most absurd claim that's been made in connection with climate change.

All you need to do is ask yourself...

How does "socialism" gain if climate change is a hoax they are pulling off?

How does big energy gain if they can persuade people that it's a hoax?

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

it's utterly wasted on you.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Well... ya know... it's what a rational person would ask.

But since you don't have the vaguest notion of what socialism actually is, it's utterly wasted on you.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Well... ya know... it's what a rational person would ask.

But since you don't have the vaguest notion of what socialism actually is, it's utterly wasted on you.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

it's utterly wasted on you.

There's a lot of that going around -- I liken it to pouring water on a rock. There's a lot of action, but nothing goes in.

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Havel Wolf, member of the Seattle Audubon Society says “The Communist Party USA’s environmental program “presents a viable plan to carry out on the long march to socialism.” --1998

Gus Hall, National chairman of the Communist Party, USA in 1972. “Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible.”

Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister said, “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits [...] Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

Louis Proyect, of Columbia University, “The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

it's utterly wasted on you.

There's a lot of that going around -- I liken it to pouring water on a rock. There's a lot of action, but nothing goes in.

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Havel Wolf, member of the Seattle Audubon Society says “The Communist Party USA’s environmental program “presents a viable plan to carry out on the long march to socialism.” --1998

Gus Hall, National chairman of the Communist Party, USA in 1972. “Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible.”

Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister said, “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits [...] Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

Louis Proyect, of Columbia University, “The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”

http://www.conservapedia.com/Socialism_and_global_warming

got anything you want to say now Einstein(s)?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

it's utterly wasted on you.

There's a lot of that going around -- I liken it to pouring water on a rock. There's a lot of action, but nothing goes in.

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Havel Wolf, member of the Seattle Audubon Society says “The Communist Party USA’s environmental program “presents a viable plan to carry out on the long march to socialism.” --1998

Gus Hall, National chairman of the Communist Party, USA in 1972. “Human society cannot basically stop the destruction of the environment under capitalism. Socialism is the only structure that makes it possible.”

Christine Stewart, Canadian Environment Minister said, “No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits [...] Climate change provides the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

Louis Proyect, of Columbia University, “The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”

http://www.conservapedia.com/Socialism_and_global_warming

got anything you want to say now Einstein(s)?

They'll both disappear now. Neither will debate. They both only wish to spew hate.

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The final point I want to argue in this blog is that this merger of the workers' movement, socialism and the Indigenous rising to protect Mother Earth is at the heart of the transformative struggles…

The governments of Bolivia and Venezuela in particular have given a lead to the left and progressive movement worldwide on why protecting the earth and protecting capitalism are incompatible objects.

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By embracing the fight against climate change, we need to explain that this is a fight for a new world that restores the balance between Mother Earth and our needs as a species. Those needs will not be determined by the number of commodities we can consume but by the real needs we have for meaningful work, human relationships not based on exploitation and oppression, cooperation not competition, education for its own sake, creative labour and culture available to all to participate and create.

Marx and Engels called this a society of associated producers where “the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all” –a socialist society .

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Well... ya know... it's what a rational person would ask.

But since you don't have the vaguest notion of what socialism actually is, it's utterly wasted on you.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

I know, it's unkind of me to mock your ignorance. I'm not a naturally kind person.

You're still utterly clueless about what "socialism" actually means. I don't anticipate that there will be a time when you realise how foolish you appear when you hurl words that you don't understand around.

You're right, this is meant to be a debate section, not a "make shit up" section.

You and your drooling mouth-breather friends can continue in your ignorance, while resting assured that while I do find it entertaining, I really don't care all that much what you think.

Of course, the moment you're able, perhaps with the help of an adult "helper" to have an adult conversation, I'll be right here, with no recriminations.

Bless your ignorant heart.

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Oh fuck me! You mean that all of those scientists are members of the "Socialist Project".

Well, that changes everything!

Unless, of course, it turns out that only a tiny minority of them are members of a Socialist political party, cuz then.... well you look stupid.

Hmm.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Oh fuck me! You mean that all of those scientists are members of the "Socialist Project".

Well, that changes everything!

Unless, of course, it turns out that only a tiny minority of them are members of a Socialist political party, cuz then.... well you look stupid.

Hmm.

the social/political persuasion of the "scientists" whose articles are referenced are inconsequential to the relationship between socialism and global, errr, climate change.

and unfortunately, what you've said there bears absolutely no resemblance as a reply to anything that's actually been said.

you also didn't answer my question to you, which is completely germane to the point at hand (never minding what your fellow comrades out there are saying about it themselves).

unless you want to try again, I trust a non-biased reader of the interchange wouldn't be putting the "stupid" moniker on my side of the equation.

or maybe you can enlighten us as to exactly what "socialism" is so we can all be on the same page??

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ORIGINAL: missiesfavourite

I bet in your opinion the vatican is a socialist state too