Real0ne
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There is a bit of confused thinking going on here. Building codes are NOT the same everywhere. Location and soil conditions vary as to building codes. And there are community codes that, at some point in time, were voted in and became law. Municipal water systems and municipal sewer systems are prime examples. At some point, it was voted in that there would be city systems and all buildings in the city would be connected to the city system. If you don't want to be connected to the city system; you buy property out in the county were you are responsible for your own water and sewer treatment. But municipal, or your own system, must conform to minimum standards set by the state to assure you aren't posing a health hazard to your neighbors. You don't just pump out of the river upstream of your house and discharge the toilet downriver; that went out in the 1930s. (I think it was the Health Act of 1934 but I may misremember)
The original point was from a news story from Cape Coral, Florida. Just from a health standpoint a person composting human waste and drinking shallow well water is creating a health hazard with the soil conditions there. On a shell limestone base (most of Florida), you can sink a shallow well for irrigation with a hammer and lengths of PVC pipe. A common septic system or a compost heap will contaminate the shallow water aquifer almost instantly. Do you want to be irrigating your lawn or veggie patch with your neighbors feces? If she wants to be off the grid; she needs to be on five acres out in the boonies and not in a suburban bedroom community. That is what Cape Coral is; a bedroom community for the Fort Myers area.
On a humorous side; there are a lot of retired engineers in that area. You should see the golf cart races to the Dunkin Donut shop every morning from the retirement community (must be over 50 to live there, deed covenant). Ever see a souped up by NASA engineer electric golf cart burn rubber for a whole block?
For the most part, there's always exceptions, building codes are the same everywhere. Soil conditions are determined by a geotechnical engineer who then designs foundations to meet the building codes. Earthquake codes supersede wind codes in California. Wind codes supersede earthquake codes in Florida.
Unified pluming code
Unified electrical code,
International building code
Health and safety codes dictated by EPA
Fire codes
And on.
Why would any City pay anyone to develop a code, for which they would be liable in court, when they can adopt a national code? I'm sure a few do. But, it would have to be a place like Los Angeles or Miami that could afford such a thing.
But was it voted in that everyone within the boundaries of the city was contractually obligated to use the city water system?
I say no. If yes I have never seen it spelled out on any deed etc..... have any of you?
Now if you were to tell me that any building that the city or county owned then I would emphatically agree with you since they are in fact 'the corporation'.
Takes us once again to the core of democracy. Do you have the right to tell me I have to buy your product because you and your buddies voted it in?
That said keep in mind that if we wanted to be the guardians of the universe for the utmost protection and safety of the people we could make a law that keeps everyone in their homes for fear that they may hurt themselves in the public streets. (pre-emptive safety regs) Of course that would infringe on both their liberty and private rights.
So if we agree that would infringe on their liberty and private rights why would forcing someone to be on city system without an express contract in place not infringe oh her rights?
Which brings up another issue. Who is the injured party here? Did she injure the city in some way, (EXCEPT....stealing sewer services which she should be charged for and made to pay of course)? In other words they can remedy the monetary loss of her sewer use by charging her and making her pay the bill. 'That' problem solved.
BUT what justifies declaring her house or living arrangement 'uninhabitable' with the intent of forcing her out?
Where is the injured party 'outside' of collecting a few hundred bucks for sewer use?
I could not find anyone who was harmed, in fact I found a city employee illegally filed a complaint which should be invalid. Why has it not been invalidated?
Therefore where does this authority come from,
or does living in a democracy mean that 51% can trample her right to choose by vote?
Starting to see where this gets a little sticky yet?
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 6/17/2015 9:52:44 PM >
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