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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
OK then let me ask you a question: Is a solution to the problem of gun violence possible given the current political realities and the 2nd Amendment?
If you feel a solution is possible, please outline it. If you feel a solution is not possible at the moment, what needs to change in order to arrive at and implement a solution?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You see a gun involved, and that's what you seek to limit. I see a racist attack, and that is what I wish to limit.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
OK then let me ask you a question: Is a solution to the problem of gun violence possible given the current political realities and the 2nd Amendment?
If you feel a solution is possible, please outline it. If you feel a solution is not possible at the moment, what needs to change in order to arrive at and implement a solution?

The solution you are promoting is not an option with the 2nd Amendment in place. Repealing the 2nd Amendment, would be the only way to even come close to allowing that to happen, and I don't know that that a possibility at this point.

The issue in this case wasn't a gun. It was "gun violence" only because he used a gun. He was likely to have perpetrated his act in another manner, as he saw killing these people as being his part to prevent "black people" from pulling the "white race" down. He wanted to foment a civil war with the desired goal of black people being expelled from America. Someone with that much hate is going to find a way to do what he thinks is necessary, or what needs to be done to perform his role/duty.

Racism was the cause of this shooting. If not for the racism, it wouldn't have happened. This dickhead planned and calculated his actions. A gun was one way to do it, but certainly not the only way. To think this wouldn't have happened if only dickhead hadn't gotten a gun, isn't really going to help prevent further instances of this event.

You see a gun involved, and that's what you seek to limit. I see a racist attack, and that is what I wish to limit.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I agree, do something about the cause, not the tool.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


First, this post is not really intelligible.

>Of all the images the Times had available to print, they chose a photo more calculated to further the "racist America" narrative than to reflect reality. Except for some fringe "Rooters" (yeah, I'm coining a word), I think the ones below are closer to the truth of how the vast majority of American citizens feel about the outrage this man committed. <

?? I am bozo, because I can't follow your logic or point at all.

After reading the paper today, it struck that the reason he is burning the American Flag relates to the North winning the civil war and freeing the slave. He'd prefer that the South rise again under the values and traditions of the Confederate Flag.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

First, this post is not really intelligible.

>Of all the images the Times had available to print, they chose a photo more calculated to further the "racist America" narrative than to reflect reality. Except for some fringe "Rooters" (yeah, I'm coining a word), I think the ones below are closer to the truth of how the vast majority of American citizens feel about the outrage this man committed. <

?? I am bozo, because I can't follow your logic or point at all.

After reading the paper today, it struck me that the reason he is burning the American Flag relates to the North winning the civil war and freeing the slaves. He'd prefer that the South rise again under the values and traditions of the Confederate Flag. The current US flag, to him, merely reflects "his side" lost the civil war -- making the war's outcome a tragedy instead of a victory for the nation.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I agree, do something about the cause, not the tool.

I viewed his website before the government took it down earlier today. Read his manifesto

According to his words he is a self made racist. His home wasnt a racist home, no one in his family is racist, he learned what he believes through Google. He wrote that the Treyvon Martin case was the catalyst, he was infuriated by what he considered to be the lies by the media

And he started Googling black-on-white crimes, found a lot to feed his anger. He apparently found some racist sites too, I dont know.

But what can you do about that, what could society do...

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I agree, do something about the cause, not the tool.

I viewed his website before the government took it down earlier today. Read his manifesto

According to his words he is a self made racist. His home wasnt a racist home, no one in his family is racist, he learned what he believes through Google. He wrote that the Treyvon Martin case was the catalyst, he was infuriated by what he considered to be the lies by the media

And he started Googling black-on-white crimes, found a lot to feed his anger. He apparently found some racist sites too, I dont know.

But what can you do about that, what could society do...

There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

That's why he's burning the US Flag, you moron. The motivation is as clear as day.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin

You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.

We are doomed as a society........

I absolutely agree with you. But may I add a couple of points. It's not the conservative side that has made up rules of what you may or may not say in public. It's not the conservative side that invents "triggers" that must not be broached and never discussed. It's not the conservative side that makes these things so that they can control people and speech. What we are doing here is after years of being stifled in public saying we'll not put up with that sort of BS anymore. The only way the divide can be resolved is discussion which PC speaking won't allow. So, I see that there will be a transition period where we take back our voice and stop allowing the only discussion to be voiced to be controlled by the liberal side.

I don't honestly don't think you can put all the blame on one faction or another that easily. They all have their ups and downs and make rules that are bad. So again, we can't agree on anything, but if people would just step up and say they screw up and choose to see we are actually all the same, things would change. I know, call me a dreamer...........

Didn't you, in another thread, discuss how you're treated as gay?

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I agree, do something about the cause, not the tool.

I viewed his website before the government took it down earlier today. Read his manifesto

According to his words he is a self made racist. His home wasnt a racist home, no one in his family is racist, he learned what he believes through Google. He wrote that the Treyvon Martin case was the catalyst, he was infuriated by what he considered to be the lies by the media

And he started Googling black-on-white crimes, found a lot to feed his anger. He apparently found some racist sites too, I dont know.

But what can you do about that, what could society do...

There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Due to the fact that I hate gun threads or anything that brings them, I am trying to play nice. Won't you all give it a try? It's painful, I know. Your chest may tighten, your breathing may come in gasps and you have to pass some cool snark/insults you make repeatedly, day after day, but it keeps a thread from being locked.

The ball is in your court.

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: LipstickLeuger

The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin

You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.

We are doomed as a society........

I absolutely agree with you. But may I add a couple of points. It's not the conservative side that has made up rules of what you may or may not say in public. It's not the conservative side that invents "triggers" that must not be broached and never discussed. It's not the conservative side that makes these things so that they can control people and speech. What we are doing here is after years of being stifled in public saying we'll not put up with that sort of BS anymore. The only way the divide can be resolved is discussion which PC speaking won't allow. So, I see that there will be a transition period where we take back our voice and stop allowing the only discussion to be voiced to be controlled by the liberal side.

I don't honestly don't think you can put all the blame on one faction or another that easily. They all have their ups and downs and make rules that are bad. So again, we can't agree on anything, but if people would just step up and say they screw up and choose to see we are actually all the same, things would change. I know, call me a dreamer...........

Didn't you, in another thread, discuss how you're treated as gay?

Yes.
Why?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

Due to the fact that I hate gun threads or anything that brings them, I am trying to play nice. Won't you all give it a try? It's painful, I know. Your chest may tighten, your breathing may come in gasps and you have to pass some cool snark/insults you make repeatedly, day after day, but it keeps a thread from being locked.

The ball is in your court.

I have stated repeatedly that this isn't about guns.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

After reading the paper today, it struck me that the reason he is burning the American Flag relates to the North winning the civil war and freeing the slaves. He'd prefer that the South rise again under the values and traditions of the Confederate Flag. The current US flag, to him, merely reflects "his side" lost the civil war -- making the war's outcome a tragedy instead of a victory for the nation.