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I agree, do something about the cause, not the tool.

I viewed his website before the government took it down earlier today. Read his manifesto

According to his words he is a self made racist. His home wasnt a racist home, no one in his family is racist, he learned what he believes through Google. He wrote that the Treyvon Martin case was the catalyst, he was infuriated by what he considered to be the lies by the media

And he started Googling black-on-white crimes, found a lot to feed his anger. He apparently found some racist sites too, I dont know.

But what can you do about that, what could society do...

There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

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After reading the paper today, it struck me that the reason he is burning the American Flag relates to the North winning the civil war and freeing the slaves. He'd prefer that the South rise again under the values and traditions of the Confederate Flag. The current US flag, to him, merely reflects "his side" lost the civil war -- making the war's outcome a tragedy instead of a victory for the nation.

No matter how noble the intentions, war is always tragic. Always devestating. Our Civil War destroyed a way of life for half the country, and forever changed the economy of that same half.

"All men are created equal." If our founding fathers ever truly believed that, slavery would have been disallowed within the Constitution itself, and a Civil War would have never been necessary.

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Due to the fact that I hate gun threads or anything that brings them, I am trying to play nice. Won't you all give it a try? It's painful, I know. Your chest may tighten, your breathing may come in gasps and you have to pass some cool snark/insults you make repeatedly, day after day, but it keeps a thread from being locked.

The ball is in your court.

I have stated repeatedly that this isn't about guns.

That is why I mentioned anything that brings them. When our warnings have been made on these types of threads, they will often be ignored, mostly because of how passionate people are in how they feel. Guns, death and race tend to heat up the forum. I don't expect snark/insult free, but toned down as requested shouldn't be too hard to manage.

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There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

As I wrote in the other thread, all a guy needs to cause considerable mayhem is a set of car keys, truck keys, or any of a number of other things.

You have a constitutional amendment in mind that could fix that

Or were you thinking more of eliminating the freedom of expression. Locking down the Internet, like in China and some of these other perfectly safe places

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There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

As I wrote in the other thread, all a guy needs to cause considerable mayhem is a set of car keys, truck keys, or any of a number of other things.

You have a constitutional amendment in mind that could fix that

Or were you thinking more of eliminating the freedom of expression. Locking down the Internet, like in China and some of these other perfectly safe places

I'm explaining that therein lays the issue.

Notice that China doesn't really have an ethnic minority population either. Religious minorities, sure.

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After reading the paper today, it struck me that the reason he is burning the American Flag relates to the North winning the civil war and freeing the slaves. He'd prefer that the South rise again under the values and traditions of the Confederate Flag. The current US flag, to him, merely reflects "his side" lost the civil war -- making the war's outcome a tragedy instead of a victory for the nation.

No matter how noble the intentions, war is always tragic. Always devestating. Our Civil War destroyed a way of life for half the country, and forever changed the economy of that same half.

"All men are created equal." If our founding fathers ever truly believed that, slavery would have been disallowed within the Constitution itself, and a Civil War would have never been necessary.

I think you are mistaken about the civil war being about slavery. It started, while it didn't finish, about states rights vs federal government power.

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These are not arbitrary actions. Uighurs and Tibetans, among other underrepresented ethnic groups in China, have long felt oppressed by Communist Party policies. The government’s initial response has been to crack down on these “separatist forces” with an iron fist as a means to maintain social order and a semblance of unity.

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There's plenty than can be done, though our Constitution prohibits most of it. So the question becomes how much of our personal freedoms and liberties are we willing to give up to prevent another senseless, tragic attack?

As I wrote in the other thread, all a guy needs to cause considerable mayhem is a set of car keys, truck keys, or any of a number of other things.

You have a constitutional amendment in mind that could fix that

Or were you thinking more of eliminating the freedom of expression. Locking down the Internet, like in China and some of these other perfectly safe places

I'm explaining that therein lays the issue.

Notice that China doesn't really have an ethnic minority population either. Religious minorities, sure.

China has large ethnic minorities and large ethnic minority unrest. The Han aren't the only race.

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8.5% of the population in China is considered an "ethnic minority" vs roughly 35% of the US population.

But are the physical characteristic differences obvious enough to visually identify a minority at a distance? As obvious, for example as black and white?

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8.5% of the population in China is considered an "ethnic minority" vs roughly 35% of the US population.

But are the physical characteristic differences obvious enough to visually identify a minority at a distance? As obvious, for example as black and white?

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The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin

You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.

We are doomed as a society........

I absolutely agree with you. But may I add a couple of points. It's not the conservative side that has made up rules of what you may or may not say in public. It's not the conservative side that invents "triggers" that must not be broached and never discussed. It's not the conservative side that makes these things so that they can control people and speech. What we are doing here is after years of being stifled in public saying we'll not put up with that sort of BS anymore. The only way the divide can be resolved is discussion which PC speaking won't allow. So, I see that there will be a transition period where we take back our voice and stop allowing the only discussion to be voiced to be controlled by the liberal side.

I don't honestly don't think you can put all the blame on one faction or another that easily. They all have their ups and downs and make rules that are bad. So again, we can't agree on anything, but if people would just step up and say they screw up and choose to see we are actually all the same, things would change. I know, call me a dreamer...........

Didn't you, in another thread, discuss how you're treated as gay?

Yes.
Why?

Look here, look in society. I am treated the same way as a white male. I am expected to feel guilt and to shut up and be a pack mule to toot and carry and have no input. I feel the same way about the people who treat me that way, the leftists, as you do about people who treat you a certain way because you are gay. Yet, even you told me that I shouldn't have those feelings and I'm wrong. So, with all due respect, because I do respect you, I find that hypocritical.

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8.5% of the population in China is considered an "ethnic minority" vs roughly 35% of the US population.

But are the physical characteristic differences obvious enough to visually identify a minority at a distance? As obvious, for example as black and white?

Youre not really saying, that they all look alike to you

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8.5% of the population in China is considered an "ethnic minority" vs roughly 35% of the US population.

But are the physical characteristic differences obvious enough to visually identify a minority at a distance? As obvious, for example as black and white?

Youre not really saying, that they all look alike to you

Don't feel bad. All you white people look alike too. Could you guess my genetic makeup just by my picture?

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Cultural differences, I understand. But physical? Maybe I don't know what to look for. Hell, I probably couldn't identify a person by country just by looking at them.

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Cultural differences, I understand. But physical? Maybe I don't know what to look for. Hell, I probably couldn't identify a person by country just by looking at them.

you may not be able to tell the difference but a Chinese, a Korean, and a Japanese can spot each other a block away.

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Cultural differences, I understand. But physical? Maybe I don't know what to look for. Hell, I probably couldn't identify a person by country just by looking at them.

you may not be able to tell the difference but a Chinese, a Korean, and a Japanese can spot each other a block away.

Like gays, right?

Or is that how I could tell that George Zimmerman actually wasn't white (fully, at least), but many black people couldn't?