HunterCA
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The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin
You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.
We are doomed as a society........
I absolutely agree with you. But may I add a couple of points. It's not the conservative side that has made up rules of what you may or may not say in public. It's not the conservative side that invents "triggers" that must not be broached and never discussed. It's not the conservative side that makes these things so that they can control people and speech. What we are doing here is after years of being stifled in public saying we'll not put up with that sort of BS anymore. The only way the divide can be resolved is discussion which PC speaking won't allow. So, I see that there will be a transition period where we take back our voice and stop allowing the only discussion to be voiced to be controlled by the liberal side.
I don't honestly don't think you can put all the blame on one faction or another that easily. They all have their ups and downs and make rules that are bad. So again, we can't agree on anything, but if people would just step up and say they screw up and choose to see we are actually all the same, things would change. I know, call me a dreamer...........
Didn't you, in another thread, discuss how you're treated as gay?
Yes.
Why?
Look here, look in society. I am treated the same way as a white male. I am expected to feel guilt and to shut up and be a pack mule to toot and carry and have no input. I feel the same way about the people who treat me that way, the leftists, as you do about people who treat you a certain way because you are gay. Yet, even you told me that I shouldn't have those feelings and I'm wrong. So, with all due respect, because I do respect you, I find that hypocritical.
Why would you think that you should have no input? I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to convey.
I do think that sometimes just blaming the whole 'other' group, is counter intuitive, and brings no understanding at all. Getting to know the 'other' group is important because not everyone in that 'other' group will be treating you the same way. For instance, what if I told you I am a Liberal Leftist and a hard core Radical Feminist? Would you say that you 'never guessed' because I discuss things rationally and you have respect for me? Or would you suddenly change how you view me and lose respect for me due to your stereotype of the whole group? Would you not believe that our discussions are true and that I was interested in what you had to say and in your feelings? The whole idea of someone can change based on how we view their assumed group. That was what I was trying to explain. All people should be valued and their beliefs and opinions and no one should be shamed into shutting up and not discussing their feelings rationally, without drama. That is very hard to find today and I think if we stopped with 'they said this and so we yelled over them' or vice versa, and just LISTENED without getting all angry, the world would be a happier place.
I hope this explained it clearer, I sometimes hate the internet because it is hard to really get a feel for what the other person is saying, voice inflection and such.
P.S. I bet you are wondering if it is true what I described myself as above....I'll never tell. LOL
P.P.S. I do value your opinions as well.
I didn't say I shouldn't have input. I said they thought I shouldn't have input. I'm looked at as a white male by those feminists and a part of the rape culture. I'm perfectly fine with anyone being what they want to be. It's they, those "others" who stereo type me. Leftists say they are open minded, yet, you see so many post here showing they are closed minded it's laughable to us on the right that they actually believe that. You can be what ever you want and I take you as you present yourself to me. Continue to present yourself to me as you have and I'll continue to respect you, even if I don't agree with you. Discuss things politely with me and I'll continue to be polite to you. But, keep in mind, I still wonder why I have to explain this. Nobody on the left acts like that...with rare occasions.
Why, I've told the story at greater length before and I won't bore people again now, but when a woman at work tried to get me fired, ruin my career, by charging me with a fake sexual harassment charge, so she could be promoted into my job, when she was found to be lying, they promoted her out to somewhere else and sent me to sexual harassment training where for two days I had to sit and be "taught" that it was my fault because I was a white male. (Sorry for the run on sentence). That's typical. I was actually talking back with the "instructer" for half a day or so until they sent my boss to tell me to not talk, just sit and listen, or loss my job. That sort of thing is common, not an exception.
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