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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 6:51:29 AM   
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Is that the fault of pregnant women? can lesbians adopt? im only asking because I dont know if its sexual discrimination against gay men only


Ok, technically, the law forbidding homosexuals (gay & lesbian) to adopt was struck down by the courts in 2010, but our legislators are doing their damnedest to keep it very difficult.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 6:58:51 AM   
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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 7:05:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		JVOV....I have absolutely no issue with gays and lesbians adopting children, but to force a woman to give birth for ANY reason but the womans choice is....horrendously complicated.... and as you(humankind) cant yet keep a womb in a box to gestate, it falls on women to suffer the issue.

As a fast reply to the topic....in general.
When I found out I was pregnant at 18, my boyfriend of 3 years, called me a slag, told me he wasnt the father, offered to pay, then insisted that I have it aborted, even got violent.


men are fucked up, women are fucked up, but to try and force a woman against her will to go thru with a pregnancy, goes against the declaration of independence oh and the 4th amendment. AND the human rights declaration.

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Maybe we should tell all of the single mothers that no they can't have child care, no they can't have welfare, no they should have known the men they were making babies with better.

With regards to this.... Single mothers are NOT the only people having abortions.....married women, and childless women are having them too. Wanna pick on single women....why?

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 8:06:15 AM   
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In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

My personal view is that if the hubby isnt the genetic dad he shouldnt get stuck with the bill (unless he voluntarily agrees to be the dad in a legal contract or unless he is not able to have kids & agreed to using donor sperm so he/his wife could have kids).. so in most cases, the one that is the bio dad should be financially responsible, even if it was a one night stand, even if she marries someone else, etc.. Its obvious that the states like Florida that stick a non-bio dad with the bill are doing it simply to reduce costs and thats an easy way to do it.. No one is forced to live in Florida tho, so be aware of state laws that can affect you and pick your state of residence carefully..

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 8:26:08 AM   
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Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..


Are you in favor of telling a woman who wants child support the same thing

"You should have used a condom" "You should have got snipped" etc

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 8:50:29 AM   
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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:03:08 AM   
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Child support is for the child....which actually needs money spent on it to thrive and live

You really have to wonder about people who need to be told that "child support" is to cover the costs of raising children. I rather imagine that there aren't too many children over the age of say 7 or 8 who can't work that one out without assistance.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:11:53 AM   
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Child support is for the child....which actually needs money spent on it to thrive and live

You really have to wonder about people who need to be told that "child support" is to cover the costs of raising children. I rather imagine that there aren't too many children over the age of say 7 or 8 who can't work that one out without assistance.


Nobody had to be told that, your suggesting anyone does is pure straw man fallacy

My question to tj is rhetorical. Its what she suggested telling men


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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:22:19 AM   
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Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..

Maybe we should tell all of the single mothers that no they can't have child care, no they can't have welfare, no they should have known the men they were making babies with better.

there are plenty of single fathers too, i have met many.. and they use/can use the same benefits that single women do..

Ya, I see lots of 14-year single fathers pushing baby carriages around.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:24:13 AM   
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Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..



Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.


if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..



WOW. Just wow...

I suppose it NEVER occurred to you that there are men who want to be and are capable of being great fathers, husbands, and leaders of their households? And yes, they would like to be in involved in their children's lives?

sure there are.. I wanted to have kids with my ex (before he was my ex) but he had excuses why not now and so he robbed me of the chance to have a baby just as you claim happened in your examples, there is no difference.. but i am not going around whining and complaining about it.. Instead when i want to have a baby/babies i will not bother with a boyfriend/hubby and instead I will use donors and a surrogate.. A lot less hassle and less costly too, I'd say.. If i have a boyfriend then he would have no legal rights to the child and so no hassle & legal headaches like parent couples have..

Wow! I'm sure that is chock full of maternal juices and thought for potential kids.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:26:08 AM   
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In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

Check and see for me. Does that married woman have to have permission from the husband to abort his child or not.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:32:58 AM   
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Child support is for the child....which actually needs money spent on it to thrive and live

You really have to wonder about people who need to be told that "child support" is to cover the costs of raising children. I rather imagine that there aren't too many children over the age of say 7 or 8 who can't work that one out without assistance.

Shouldn't just auto-pilot to that hateful place.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:36:54 AM   
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I had always understood "baby daddy" to mean the father of a child who fucks off and doesn't support it.

I'm open to correction, but the term hardly strikes me as an example of men being let down, rather the other way around.


I cant speak perfectly to the historic chronology but what I am suggesting is the existence of some relationship between the baby daddy phenomena, and the inequity in the laws.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 9:51:05 AM   
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I had always understood "baby daddy" to mean the father of a child who fucks off and doesn't support it.

I'm open to correction, but the term hardly strikes me as an example of men being let down, rather the other way around.


I cant speak perfectly to the historic chronology but what I am suggesting is the existence of some relationship between the baby daddy phenomena, and the inequity in the laws.

The baby daddy phenomenon originated because the welfare system encourages it. So, it's a chicken or egg thing. For instance, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community stands at about 73%. In 1965, prior to the war on poverty it was 24%. So, tell me, did the men leave their babies or did the government provide a financial incentive that became a phenomenon?

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 11:53:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..



Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.


if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..



WOW. Just wow...

I suppose it NEVER occurred to you that there are men who want to be and are capable of being great fathers, husbands, and leaders of their households? And yes, they would like to be in involved in their children's lives?

sure there are.. I wanted to have kids with my ex (before he was my ex) but he had excuses why not now and so he robbed me of the chance to have a baby just as you claim happened in your examples, there is no difference.. but i am not going around whining and complaining about it.. Instead when i want to have a baby/babies i will not bother with a boyfriend/hubby and instead I will use donors and a surrogate.. A lot less hassle and less costly too, I'd say.. If i have a boyfriend then he would have no legal rights to the child and so no hassle & legal headaches like parent couples have..

Wow! I'm sure that is chock full of maternal juices and thought for potential kids.

I used to think kids needed two parents but I no longer think that, plenty of single parents (both male & female) do a great job with raising their kids, giving them good values, seeing they do well in school, etc, even better than two parents do.. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and plenty of parents (both male and female) fuck off on their kids, that's the reality.. Imo its better for any kids i might have to rely on me alone than to also rely on some guy that disappoints them, drops out of their life which fucks with their head and heart, that screw kids up more than anything else..

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 1:05:27 PM   
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I had always understood "baby daddy" to mean the father of a child who fucks off and doesn't support it.

I'm open to correction, but the term hardly strikes me as an example of men being let down, rather the other way around.


I cant speak perfectly to the historic chronology but what I am suggesting is the existence of some relationship between the baby daddy phenomena, and the inequity in the laws.

The baby daddy phenomenon originated because the welfare system encourages it. So, it's a chicken or egg thing. For instance, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community stands at about 73%. In 1965, prior to the war on poverty it was 24%. So, tell me, did the men leave their babies or did the government provide a financial incentive that became a phenomenon?

If you subsidize something you get more of it.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 1:07:50 PM   
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Scenario 1 happened to my brother. Scenario 2 happened to a friend of mine. Scenario 3 I made up. But I imagine it has happened.


No. I am not saying that women are evil, vindictive people who commonly do this sort of thing. What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.

maybe knowing the woman a whole lot better and making sure you are both on the same page about babies, etc before hitting the sack would be a good first step.. using a condom or better yet, getting snipped would also be a good idea.. and talking to a lawyer, maybe writing a contract on what happens if, with both parties agreeing in writing to it (before hitting the sack)..

If you didnt know, parents (both female & male) that use a surrogate to have a baby have a lot of legal challenges also.. its not just you poor, poor men..



Both my brother, and my friend (ex-friend actually) are notorious for making bad choices. But that is completely beside the point. Frankly, for that matter I cannot see anything in your entire post that is relevant to the point of the thread.


if you men want to have a baby, then hire a surrogate.. try one in India..



WOW. Just wow...

I suppose it NEVER occurred to you that there are men who want to be and are capable of being great fathers, husbands, and leaders of their households? And yes, they would like to be in involved in their children's lives?

sure there are.. I wanted to have kids with my ex (before he was my ex) but he had excuses why not now and so he robbed me of the chance to have a baby just as you claim happened in your examples, there is no difference.. but i am not going around whining and complaining about it.. Instead when i want to have a baby/babies i will not bother with a boyfriend/hubby and instead I will use donors and a surrogate.. A lot less hassle and less costly too, I'd say.. If i have a boyfriend then he would have no legal rights to the child and so no hassle & legal headaches like parent couples have..

Wow! I'm sure that is chock full of maternal juices and thought for potential kids.

I used to think kids needed two parents but I no longer think that, plenty of single parents (both male & female) do a great job with raising their kids, giving them good values, seeing they do well in school, etc, even better than two parents do.. 50% of marriages end in divorce, and plenty of parents (both male and female) fuck off on their kids, that's the reality.. Imo its better for any kids i might have to rely on me alone than to also rely on some guy that disappoints them, drops out of their life which fucks with their head and heart, that screw kids up more than anything else..

Which is of course what will happen if you let one of those evil males influence your children.

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 1:10:25 PM   
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"If you bring up the kind of things you would have to prove to get custody of your children; the children will go to foster care because you knew about such things and didn't report your wife to the police. This is Virginia and the woman gets the kids."

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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 1:20:57 PM   
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I had always understood "baby daddy" to mean the father of a child who fucks off and doesn't support it.

I'm open to correction, but the term hardly strikes me as an example of men being let down, rather the other way around.


I cant speak perfectly to the historic chronology but what I am suggesting is the existence of some relationship between the baby daddy phenomena, and the inequity in the laws.

The baby daddy phenomenon originated because the welfare system encourages it. So, it's a chicken or egg thing. For instance, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in the black community stands at about 73%. In 1965, prior to the war on poverty it was 24%. So, tell me, did the men leave their babies or did the government provide a financial incentive that became a phenomenon?


yes, I think we pretty much all know that part; what I am suggesting/wondering about though is the relationship between that and the inequitable laws and sentiments when it comes to parental rights.


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RE: Mens Reproductive Rights - 6/25/2015 1:34:32 PM   
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In Florida, a man is the father of any children his wife has while they are married. And will be held responsible for those children, even if there is no biological possibility they are his genetic heirs.

So if a pregnant woman marries someone new, the biological father has no rights to the child. But if your wife has an NBA gangbang, happy Father's Day.

Always seemed like legal cuckolding to me.

Check and see for me. Does that married woman have to have permission from the husband to abort his child or not.


Spousal consent has been found unconsitutional.

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