PeonForHer
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What I AM saying is men have NO rights when this sort of thing happens, and NO politician is bold enough to take this issue on.
Why should they take it on? What's to be gained for them by taking it on?
If you were a left wing politician, you'd think, 'Balls. This is just the typical male, bellyaching. Women are the oppressed sex here - I'm on their side'. If you were a right wing politician, you'd think, 'There's a problem here, but, fortunately, nobody is blaming right wing values. Instead, the men who are hard done by on this are blaming feminists and feminism. Brilliant - I'm safe! All I have to do is talk about how I don't like feminists every now and then. That's fine, because there aren't any feminists in my party anyway'.
I'd like to ask you something, Peon. Describe a feminist fro me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
That's pretty much what I go by.
Try this link. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_movements_and_ideologies
They list 20 "types" of feminism. Lots of information there.
Now describe a feminist.
I stand by my definition as per my own link. Thus
"Feminism is a range of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women.[1][2] This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women."
I'd only add that the Wiki definition dwells on the idea of equality, whereas I'd add in the key idea of 'liberty'. The 'liberty' facet of feminism is considered somewhat old hat these days, but I think it's been revived recently by various sorts of 'difference' feminists. Ecofeminists and conservative feminists, for instance, tend to be 'difference' types. These believe that men and women are essentially different and have different strengths. Yet, they still, at bottom (and not without some intellectual headaches) hold to the idea that feminism is about equality and liberty - 'equal with men', but 'free to be what we truly are' (whatever 'truly are' might mean).
The reason I stick pretty damned rigidly to this is firstly and mainly because 'feminism' has had so much bile and vitriol thrown at it in its life that you need to go back to first principles in order to cut through such tiresome, eternal propaganda. That's been the case right from the very first suffragettes, and the anti-propaganda has never lost any of its venom. It's now got to the stage that, for many, a feminist is pretty much "by definition" a self-aggrandising man-hater.
However, and (very much) secondly, self-aggrandising man-haters *do* exist. Not in anywhere near the numbers that the right wing press bangs on about so energetically, but they are around. To them, I want to be able to say - and sometimes *do* say, on occasion - "You may think yourself a feminist, but that's not a feminist argument. That's just a "me, and people like me, first" argument. And I absolutely relish the look of disbelief and vibe of 'How dare you contradict me! You're male!' ... because it is of course balls that a man can't be a feminist and that, in fact, is contained in the very first principle of feminism.
In short, I use the terms 'feminism' and 'feminist' scrupulously ... principally because I can't stand the horseshit propaganda that's so often thrown around about it.
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