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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/10/2015 9:27:50 PM   
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Does anyone have access to PACER? I don't have a log in to verify the article.


yeh if you know the case and court etc, and what you want specifically, and if looking it up doesnt run me over the quota. LOL


I got as far as the district court of eastern mi. that is all I know except the names of the parties. They were all in the original post



took a few rounds but was able to goog them


http://www.christianpost.com/news/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses-33219/

https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/michigan/miedce/2:2008cv12889/231727/1/0.pdf?ts=1219875988

https://casetext.com/case/fowler-v-zondervan-publishing-corp

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-mied-2_08-cv-12572/content-detail.html

doesnt look like there is anything too much more to the case unless you want to see why they moved for summary judgment? I am shocked that court even acccepted that shit mess that follows no rules. If you still need a pacer check let me know.


Ok I just read a small portion of the first page of his complaint. top shelf dumb ass. Good lesson for others on how to write a frivolous complaint and make a total ass out of themselves.






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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/11/2015 4:02:37 PM   
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As usual you didn't answer the question. What do you think the 1st amendment is?

Asking if I think it's toilet paper isn't a real question it's craziness from a guy who wears his tinfoil hat with pride. Now since you've asked a reasonable question I'd be happy to answer. I think the 1st amendment is not a protection from libel because that's the law, which I learned about in grade school by the way.

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In United States constitutional law, false statements of fact are an exception from protection of free speech under the First Amendment. In United States law, a false statement of fact will not be exempt from some civil or criminal penalty, if a law has imposed one. This exception has evolved over time from a series of Supreme Court cases that dealt with issues such as libel, slander, and statutes which barred fraudulent solicitation of charitable donations.


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/11/2015 4:16:44 PM   
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As usual you didn't answer the question. What do you think the 1st amendment is?

Asking if I think it's toilet paper isn't a real question it's craziness from a guy who wears his tinfoil hat with pride. Now since you've asked a reasonable question I'd be happy to answer. I think the 1st amendment is not a protection from libel because that's the law, which I learned about in grade school by the way.

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ORIGINAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_statements_of_fact
In United States constitutional law, false statements of fact are an exception from protection of free speech under the First Amendment. In United States law, a false statement of fact will not be exempt from some civil or criminal penalty, if a law has imposed one. This exception has evolved over time from a series of Supreme Court cases that dealt with issues such as libel, slander, and statutes which barred fraudulent solicitation of charitable donations.



And there is no libel in this. He is however attacking freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not protect against libel this fact does not give someone a blank check to attack and destroy other peoples freedom.

You cannot libel someone 2000 years before they were born.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 3:14:21 PM   
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You cannot libel someone 2000 years before they were born.


What do you think the case was about through those thick fear goggles of yours.


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 3:36:38 PM   
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You cannot libel someone 2000 years before they were born.


What do you think the case was about through those thick fear goggles of yours.



He was suing because the Bible says something bad about gays.
Don't give me any crap about one translation they printed.
They still didn't say anything about him so it still isn't libel.
Or do you think that everyone has to give up their freedom of speech (if you are only allowed to agree with something you have no freedom of speech on that subject)?
It is actually ,and anyone should be able to see this (the judge did), an absurd unfounded suit simply for the purpose of harassing Christians.
I notice you have to hide behind mock superiority to make your stupid claims.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 4:20:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bible also says things about women...many books we read are FULL of bigotry, it's everywhere. Limit publication and you stomp all over Freedom of Speech.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 4:24:24 PM   
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The bible also says things about women...many books we read are FULL of bigotry, it's everywhere. Limit publication and you stomp all over Freedom of Speech.

Exactly, if you don't like it don't read it.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 4:37:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Suing because some wrote something a long time ago is like suing a science publisher because he said in the book that sometime in the past there were only 3 elements, earth, wind and fire.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 4:50:53 PM   
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Suing because some wrote something a long time ago is like suing a science publisher because he said in the book that sometime in the past there were only 3 elements, earth, wind and fire.

Yes


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 5:12:51 PM   
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earth, wind and fire.


Speaking of Earth, Wind, and Fire, in their song "September," they said there was never a cloudy day, which I find to be completely implausible. They also did not include any weather data or documentation to prove that there was never a cloudy day in September.

Therefore, they should be sued.

https://youtu.be/Gs069dndIYk

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 7:04:49 PM   
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I notice you have to hide behind mock superiority to make your stupid claims.


It's not mock superiority, I'm serious about it.

I recall a recent thread where conservatives were complaining about how baldly they were treated. Of course you guys aren't being taken seriously, you're wearing tin foil hats.

You've discarded the entire position the guy was claiming and replaced it with paranoid consense, of course we're going to point and laugh.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 7:10:14 PM   
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I recall a recent thread where conservatives were complaining about how baldly they were treated. Of course you guys aren't being taken seriously, you're wearing tin foil hats.


I am a conservative, had hats of felt, paper, cloth and 54 oz of steel but never a tin foil one. I used my steel one to assure you could say such idiotic things.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/12/2015 7:33:18 PM   
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I notice you have to hide behind mock superiority to make your stupid claims.


It's not mock superiority, I'm serious about it.

I recall a recent thread where conservatives were complaining about how baldly they were treated. Of course you guys aren't being taken seriously, you're wearing tin foil hats.

You've discarded the entire position the guy was claiming and replaced it with paranoid consense, of course we're going to point and laugh.

Ok it isn't mock superiority, it is unfounded arrogance.
No I haven't I am applying your "logic".
Opposition to pedophilia comes from the same source as opposition to gays.
The only difference is you don't think people have a sacred right to molest children.
I am pointing out that if you don't agree with something it is, in what passes for your brain, evil. If you do agree it is just fine, even though they both come from the same source. You are not only a arrogant moron but a hypocrite as well.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 11:16:33 AM   
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I would suppose he knows this and has another agenda, only using this to accomplish that.

It's rare I agree with Arturas.

But this time he's right.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 11:21:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
As usual you didn't answer the question. What do you think the 1st amendment is?

Asking if I think it's toilet paper isn't a real question it's craziness from a guy who wears his tinfoil hat with pride. Now since you've asked a reasonable question I'd be happy to answer. I think the 1st amendment is not a protection from libel because that's the law, which I learned about in grade school by the way.

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ORIGINAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_statements_of_fact
In United States constitutional law, false statements of fact are an exception from protection of free speech under the First Amendment. In United States law, a false statement of fact will not be exempt from some civil or criminal penalty, if a law has imposed one. This exception has evolved over time from a series of Supreme Court cases that dealt with issues such as libel, slander, and statutes which barred fraudulent solicitation of charitable donations.



And there is no libel in this. He is however attacking freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and freedom of speech. Freedom of speech does not protect against libel this fact does not give someone a blank check to attack and destroy other peoples freedom.

You cannot libel someone 2000 years before they were born.

He could, I suppose, make a case for hate speech rather than "freedom of religion."

It has nothing to do with freedom of the press or freedom of speech, as the government doesn't have a dog in this fight--nor in the freedom of religion sphere either. So he's not attacking any of that. The government isn't suppressing anyone.

He is, however, attempting to suppress others. Or present the theater of doing so.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 4:31:53 PM   
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No I haven't I am applying your "logic".

The pointing and laughing shouldn't be the first sign of how profoundly your failing, but it should be a sign.

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Opposition to pedophilia comes from the same source as opposition to gays.

No, you couldn't be more wrong, you're completely failing at morality.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 5:22:09 PM   
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Opposition to pedophilia comes from the same source as opposition to gays.
The only difference is you don't think people have a sacred right to molest children.


I support my homosexual friends. I think that if two consenting adults wants to love each other, they should be able to.

I do not support my pedophile uncle, who went to prison for his actions. He used his role as an adult and respected elder to prey upon children who could not consent.

I think those come from two very different places.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 5:40:59 PM   
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Opposition to pedophilia comes from the same source as opposition to gays.
The only difference is you don't think people have a sacred right to molest children.


I support my homosexual friends. I think that if two consenting adults wants to love each other, they should be able to.

I do not support my pedophile uncle, who went to prison for his actions. He used his role as an adult and respected elder to prey upon children who could not consent.

I think those come from two very different places.

No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 5:52:02 PM   
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No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.

Oh my. Words fail me.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 5:59:02 PM   
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No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.

Oh my. Words fail me.

Personally gays don't bother me.
Pedophiles enrage me.
But I will not condemn someone because they find homosexuality offensive.
I will however condemn someone for trying to deny their right to their beliefs.
Particularly in situations like this thread is about where the kook is trying to suppress anything he doesn't agree with.

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