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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Opposition to pedophilia comes from the same source as opposition to gays.
The only difference is you don't think people have a sacred right to molest children.

I support my homosexual friends. I think that if two consenting adults wants to love each other, they should be able to.

I do not support my pedophile uncle, who went to prison for his actions. He used his role as an adult and respected elder to prey upon children who could not consent.

I think those come from two very different places.

No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Matthew 18:6
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Christianity speaks against pedophilia.

Religion isn't the problem. It's the abuse of power within the major religions. It's the belief that religion makes "true believers" superior and flawless. It's how religions get twisted.

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

the bible was written according to scholars 450 yrs after the alleged death of jesus/is this time period many changes took place

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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Christianity speaks against pedophilia.

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ORIGINAL: altoonamaster

the bible was written according to scholars 450 yrs after the alleged death of jesus/is this time period many changes took place

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Unfortunately the claim that "Christianity speaks against pedophilia" isn't supported by the Bible.
" The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). "

Perhaps the most generous reading is that the position of the Christian Bible...

I realize that Christian-bashing is a lot of fun, but the quotes you cite are from the Tanakh. Maybe you should ask someone Jewish about them? For Christians, the NT takes precedence and they interpret the OT in the light of its teachings. From a Jewish point of view they're wrong, of course, but as far as I know neither religion derives any scriptural approval or embodies any doctrinal support for pedophilia and the sale of children as sex slaves. Don't you have any insect friends to play with?

K.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am at a loss to understand how any one could claim that opposition to pedophilia originates in either religion or religious belief. Recent history tells us that many churches were hotbeds of pedophilia, with active pedo priests being protected by the higher ups. This is not consistent with Bama's claim - rather it contradicts the claim.

Pedophilia was first identified by 19th century 'sexologists' such as Kraft-Ebbing, meaning that almost two milennia of Christian domination of matters sexual in West failed to even identify pedophilia as a problem, let alone a crime. Prosecutions for pedophilia first happened in the 19th century a period when social phenomena such as the family, childhood and sexuality were all being radically rethought and reconceived, a process conducted almost exclusively in the non-religious realm and driven by secular and post-Enlightenment, not Christian values. This process met with widespread disapproval and often enetrenched oppositon from the clergy and churches of the day, similar to the opposition of some Xian sects to today's sexual values.

If Bama wishes to persist with his claim that oppositon to pedophilia is religious in origin, or driven by religion, then the least he can do is cite some evidence to support the claim. I have never seen any evidence to suggest that this claim has any veracity whatsoever, so I'll be very interested to see what evidence, if any, Bama can conjure up.

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Jesus was very clear on the point that you shouldn't hurt the children. Now I suppose there are some people out there who don't understand how pediphiles hurt kids but they are the only ones I can think of who would come to the conclusion that it's ok.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Jesus was very clear on the point that you shouldn't hurt the children. Now I suppose there are some people out there who don't understand how pediphiles hurt kids but they are the only ones I can think of who would come to the conclusion that it's ok.

As far as many, if not most, paedos are concerned they don't hurt kids, they 'love' them. Hence the '-phile' suffix. I'm not well up on my Bible knowledge, but I get the sense that it could have done with spelling out the difference between exploitative and non-exploitative kinds of 'love' and love.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am at a loss to understand how any one could claim that opposition to pedophilia originates in either religion or religious belief. Recent history tells us that many churches were hotbeds of pedophilia, with active pedo priests being protected by the higher ups. This is not consistent with Bama's claim - rather it contradicts the claim.

Pedophilia was first identified by 19th century 'sexologists' such as Kraft-Ebbing, meaning that almost two milennia of Christian domination of matters sexual in West failed to even identify pedophilia as a problem, let alone a crime. Prosecutions for pedophilia first happened in the 19th century a period when social phenomena such as the family, childhood and sexuality were all being radically rethought and reconceived, a process conducted almost exclusively in the non-religious realm and driven by secular and post-Enlightenment, not Christian values. This process met with widespread disapproval and often enetrenched oppositon from the clergy and churches of the day, similar to the opposition of some Xian sects to today's sexual values.

If Bama wishes to persist with his claim that oppositon to pedophilia is religious in origin, or driven by religion, then the least he can do is cite some evidence to support the claim. I have never seen any evidence to suggest that this claim has any veracity whatsoever, so I'll be very interested to see what evidence, if any, Bama can conjure up.

And I am at a loss as to how anyone could claim the bible isn't against it. Jesus was very clear on the point that you shouldn't hurt the children. Now I suppose there are some people out there who don't understand how pediphiles hurt kids but they are the only ones I can think of who would come to the conclusion that it's ok.

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am at a loss to understand how any one could claim that opposition to pedophilia originates in either religion or religious belief. Recent history tells us that many churches were hotbeds of pedophilia, with active pedo priests being protected by the higher ups. This is not consistent with Bama's claim - rather it contradicts the claim.

Pedophilia was first identified by 19th century 'sexologists' such as Kraft-Ebbing, meaning that almost two milennia of Christian domination of matters sexual in West failed to even identify pedophilia as a problem, let alone a crime. Prosecutions for pedophilia first happened in the 19th century a period when social phenomena such as the family, childhood and sexuality were all being radically rethought and reconceived, a process conducted almost exclusively in the non-religious realm and driven by secular and post-Enlightenment, not Christian values. This process met with widespread disapproval and often enetrenched oppositon from the clergy and churches of the day, similar to the opposition of some Xian sects to today's sexual values.

If Bama wishes to persist with his claim that oppositon to pedophilia is religious in origin, or driven by religion, then the least he can do is cite some evidence to support the claim. I have never seen any evidence to suggest that this claim has any veracity whatsoever, so I'll be very interested to see what evidence, if any, Bama can conjure up.

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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Matthew 18:6
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

Christianity speaks against pedophilia.

Religion isn't the problem. It's the abuse of power within the major religions. It's the belief that religion makes "true believers" superior and flawless. It's how religions get twisted.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

I am at a loss to understand how any one could claim that opposition to pedophilia originates in either religion or religious belief. Recent history tells us that many churches were hotbeds of pedophilia, with active pedo priests being protected by the higher ups. This is not consistent with Bama's claim - rather it contradicts the claim.

Pedophilia was first identified by 19th century 'sexologists' such as Kraft-Ebbing, meaning that almost two milennia of Christian domination of matters sexual in West failed to even identify pedophilia as a problem, let alone a crime. Prosecutions for pedophilia first happened in the 19th century a period when social phenomena such as the family, childhood and sexuality were all being radically rethought and reconceived, a process conducted almost exclusively in the non-religious realm and driven by secular and post-Enlightenment, not Christian values. This process met with widespread disapproval and often enetrenched oppositon from the clergy and churches of the day, similar to the opposition of some Xian sects to today's sexual values.

If Bama wishes to persist with his claim that oppositon to pedophilia is religious in origin, or driven by religion, then the least he can do is cite some evidence to support the claim. I have never seen any evidence to suggest that this claim has any veracity whatsoever, so I'll be very interested to see what evidence, if any, Bama can conjure up.

Christianity prohibits rape. Pedophilia is a form of rape, case closed.