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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 6:06:49 PM   
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Personally gays don't bother me.
Pedophiles enrage me.

Why? Do you have the faintest idea why that is?


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I will however condemn someone for trying to deny their right to their beliefs.

Harming others is not a right.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 6:11:26 PM   
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No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.


No they don't. One has to do with two adults who are make the choice to engage in the actions and/or relationship, same as an adult man and an adult woman make the choice.

The other is assault. Are you saying that forcing yourself on someone, particularly someone who is vulnerable emotionally and physically, is the same as two consenting adults, who just happen to be the same gender?

Opposing assault against children does not come from the same place as opposition to homosexuality.

While I don't always agree with stances you took, I still always thought you made reasoned arguments. But I can't understand why anyone would equate these two. It is beyond ridiculous.


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 6:31:39 PM   
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No, it is just that one has become accepted and the other hasn't.


No they don't. One has to do with two adults who are make the choice to engage in the actions and/or relationship, same as an adult man and an adult woman make the choice.

The other is assault. Are you saying that forcing yourself on someone, particularly someone who is vulnerable emotionally and physically, is the same as two consenting adults, who just happen to be the same gender?

Opposing assault against children does not come from the same place as opposition to homosexuality.

While I don't always agree with stances you took, I still always thought you made reasoned arguments. But I can't understand why anyone would equate these two. It is beyond ridiculous.



Both have their origins in the same place of religious belief.
I was making the point to Get Steel that he cannot dismiss something simply because origin is in religious belief without saying that anything beginning from those beliefs are not automatically to be dismissed.
If he wants to support gay marriage fine, and I don't think that in any way means you have to support pedophilia. But if you say that a person who disagrees because of religious beliefs has no right to you must also say the same person has no right to oppose pedophilia.

There is no way I am equating the two, I was debating a fool and taking his position to there logical conclusion.

If we say opposition to gay marriage is no longer valid because it began with a religious prohibition, then everything which began with a religious prohibition must be abandoned.

I was merely attempting to highlight that his position was driven by an anti-religious zeal.

I apologize as debating fools like him sometimes drives me into excessive acrimony or the theater of the absurd.

Since the later can lead me into unintended conflict with reasonable people.

I have solved this by putting him on hide to avoid these tendencies of mine.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 6:52:57 PM   
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Anywhere that harbors gender inequality has child brides. Because the men view all females as property instead of people.

And the majority of that stems from religious beliefs.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:14:31 PM   
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Both have their origins in the same place of religious belief.


I have never considered religion to be a reason for someone to be against pedophilia. Homosexuality, yes. Pedophilia, no. Can I see religious tenets used as an argument against pedophilia? Absolutely. Does that mean that it started with a religious tenant, that until it was acknowledged as wrong by religion then it was considered okay? I haven't researched that specifically, but I doubt it.

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I was making the point to Get Steel that he cannot dismiss something simply because origin is in religious belief without saying that anything beginning from those beliefs are not automatically to be dismissed.


I do agree that something cannot be dismissed just because it does have origin in religion. If that were the case, I would be dismissed a lot, even more than I am now.

I just think that pedophilia is widely abhorred for reasons that, for many people, have nothing to do with religion, enough that it can be considered independently of religion. Whereas homosexuality cannot. Almost universally, objections against homosexuality are based in religion.

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If we say opposition to gay marriage is no longer valid because it began with a religious prohibition, then everything which began with a religious prohibition must be abandoned.


I agree. I just don't think that pedophilia was an accurate example. And having had to deal with it in my own family (let me be clear, I was not one of his victims) it was something that I could not stop myself from responding to.

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I have solved this by putting him on hide to avoid these tendencies of mine.


I put several people on hide a couple of months ago, but the conversations got so hard to follow sometimes that I went ahead and un-hid all but two. And I am reconsidering re-hiding one more.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:15:31 PM   
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Anywhere that harbors gender inequality has child brides. Because the men view all females as property instead of people.

And the majority of that stems from religious beliefs.


Well now you have me there.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:16:29 PM   
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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:45:00 PM   
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I have followed the same pattern.
Hiding people and then seeing if I can have a reasonable conversation with them. Most I have had to put back on hide.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:46:31 PM   
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Anywhere that harbors gender inequality has child brides. Because the men view all females as property instead of people.

And the majority of that stems from religious beliefs.


Well now you have me there.


Most religions abandoned that position over a century ago.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/13/2015 7:49:31 PM   
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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 4:09:33 AM   
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Both have their origins in the same place of religious belief.

Nope.

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I was making the point to Get Steel that he cannot dismiss something simply because origin is in religious belief without saying that anything beginning from those beliefs are not automatically to be dismissed.
If he wants to support gay marriage fine, and I don't think that in any way means you have to support pedophilia. But if you say that a person who disagrees because of religious beliefs has no right to you must also say the same person has no right to oppose pedophilia.

There is no way I am equating the two, I was debating a fool and taking his position to there logical conclusion.

Hey if you want to promote bigots I suppose we can have a conversation about that but when you try to talk about my logic while proving you haven't the faintest idea how it works, you should expect to get laughed at.

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If we say opposition to gay marriage is no longer valid because it began with a religious prohibition, then everything which began with a religious prohibition must be abandoned.

That's not what we say, way to fail at morality.

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I was merely attempting to highlight that his position was driven by an anti-religious zeal.

Nope, you've shown a disturbing failure to understand how morality works. What you actually did was take a misunderstood idea and rolled it around in bullshit for a while. Of course what you end up with looks like a turd, but that's only because your playing in shit.

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I apologize as debating fools like him sometimes drives me into excessive acrimony or the theater of the absurd.
Since the later can lead me into unintended conflict with reasonable people.

Be a reasonable person and you'll have reasonable conversations but when you troll us with your theater of the absurd you should expect to get laughed at.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 6:18:15 AM   
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Anything i want to say about this .....will get me banned for life.

The ignorance is setting my hair on end .


please note
My comment was not directed towards JVOVs comment, but a comment on what he had responded to.
my apologies for any misunderstandings.
I am and was in agreement with Jvovs post.



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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 6:42:42 AM   
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Anywhere that harbors gender inequality has child brides. Because the men view all females as property instead of people.

And the majority of that stems from religious beliefs.


Well now you have me there.


Most religions abandoned that position over a century ago.


Still happens far too often. I'm out the door right now, but if necessary I can send some links later. One story I read in the last week was just horrendous.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 9:09:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JVoV
Anywhere that harbors gender inequality has child brides. Because the men view all females as property instead of people.

And the majority of that stems from religious beliefs.


Well now you have me there.


Most religions abandoned that position over a century ago.


Still happens far too often. I'm out the door right now, but if necessary I can send some links later. One story I read in the last week was just horrendous.

Islam is full of them.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 12:29:23 PM   
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http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/10/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses/

He is sueing because the bible has references to homosexuals that he disagrees with. Political correctness gone wrong in my opinion.


The guy better have one helluva a good constitutional argument to back this up. Since anything else, I do not see the court (be it conservative or liberal) taking the man's side in their decision. Nor the Appellate Court reversing it. Even if both the lower and Appellate Courts say 'No', the US Supreme Court could take the matter up. They did it with Heller vs DC.....


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 12:59:46 PM   
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http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/10/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses/

He is sueing because the bible has references to homosexuals that he disagrees with. Political correctness gone wrong in my opinion.


The guy better have one helluva a good constitutional argument to back this up. Since anything else, I do not see the court (be it conservative or liberal) taking the man's side in their decision. Nor the Appellate Court reversing it. Even if both the lower and Appellate Courts say 'No', the US Supreme Court could take the matter up. They did it with Heller vs DC.....



It is clearly a harassment suit.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 1:57:58 PM   
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http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/10/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses/

He is sueing because the bible has references to homosexuals that he disagrees with. Political correctness gone wrong in my opinion.

The guy better have one helluva a good constitutional argument to back this up. Since anything else, I do not see the court (be it conservative or liberal) taking the man's side in their decision. Nor the Appellate Court reversing it. Even if both the lower and Appellate Courts say 'No', the US Supreme Court could take the matter up. They did it with Heller vs DC.....

It is clearly a harassment suit.


The guy is allowed to many the suit whatever he wants. I'm stating the likelihood of him being taken seriously is very doubtful. He and his lawyer are welcome to take the matter up the chain of legal courts. But I think they too will say "you dont have a case".


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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 3:44:05 PM   
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I recall a recent thread where conservatives were complaining about how baldly they were treated. Of course you guys aren't being taken seriously, you're wearing tin foil hats.

I am a conservative, had hats of felt, paper, cloth and 54 oz of steel but never a tin foil one. I used my steel one to assure you could say such idiotic things.


Come now haven't you noticed that the conservative ranks around here are full of birthers, truthers, creationists and climate deniers.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 3:49:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.tpnn.com/2015/07/10/gay-man-files-70m-suit-against-bible-publishers-over-homosexual-verses/

He is sueing because the bible has references to homosexuals that he disagrees with. Political correctness gone wrong in my opinion.

The guy better have one helluva a good constitutional argument to back this up. Since anything else, I do not see the court (be it conservative or liberal) taking the man's side in their decision. Nor the Appellate Court reversing it. Even if both the lower and Appellate Courts say 'No', the US Supreme Court could take the matter up. They did it with Heller vs DC.....

It is clearly a harassment suit.


The guy is allowed to many the suit whatever he wants. I'm stating the likelihood of him being taken seriously is very doubtful. He and his lawyer are welcome to take the matter up the chain of legal courts. But I think they too will say "you dont have a case".



I didn't say he didn't have the right to sue, just that his motive is harassment.

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RE: Gay Man Sues Bible Publishers - 7/14/2015 4:32:10 PM   
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I recall a recent thread where conservatives were complaining about how baldly they were treated.

Yawn.

Now, if you could recall one where they weren't, that would be something.

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